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Posted August 03, 2015
It's sad when you finally realize gog = meh.
Posted August 03, 2015
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Ciris: Guys, of course you do have some good points in this thread. I'd just like to let you know that there's more posts about the issue and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/fuck_fuck_fuck_jizz_cunt_asshole_blowjob_cock/page10]here from myself on the matter, saying what I can about the current plan of action and suggestions I've passed on.

I'd hugely appreciate it if you'd post any suggestions I should see that hasn't already been mentioned in one of those topics or message me directly, as with more like this popping up, I'm becoming unable to track them all. Thanks!
That's what is in those threads? What the hell? I don't even click on those threads at all and can't figure out why anyone else does either. Apparently there is good content under a shitty subject line? Uhh, no thanks, not even going to look. Really stupid.
Posted August 03, 2015
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Cyraxpt: Jokes aside, a solution was promised for this week so we will see.
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real.geizterfahr: It's not a joke. Try posting F U C K without the spaces and see for yourself.
Well, I'm so glad the really important stuff is getting taken care of.

This is really pathetic.
Posted August 03, 2015
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Ciris: Guys, of course you do have some good points in this thread. I'd just like to let you know that there's more posts about the issue and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/fuck_fuck_fuck_jizz_cunt_asshole_blowjob_cock/page10]here from myself on the matter, saying what I can about the current plan of action and suggestions I've passed on.

I'd hugely appreciate it if you'd post any suggestions I should see that hasn't already been mentioned in one of those topics or message me directly, as with more like this popping up, I'm becoming unable to track them all. Thanks!
There, of course, has been this thread which has constantly stayed on the front 1-3 pages of the forum (and if anyone hasn't noticed it, they simply haven't been paying attention or don't care) for the past several months or so:

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/known_scammers/page147

147 (and counting) pages where people have been using alt accounts, the broken chat system, and the rep system to not only scam people out of games, but basically turn the forum into a miserable place. And he's apparently partially empowered to do so by GOG's staff.
Posted August 03, 2015
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DProject: It's kinda funny to me, how you refer people to threads with jizz, ass, tits and whatnot on the URLs. What I think GOG should do at this point, would be to create an official thread of the matter, list themselves the problems and issues the users have pointed them to already and which they are already aware of, and ask there if they've missed some.
Different users have different wishes. For instance, in the message above you, someone strongly suggested two-step verification whenever someone logs in on a different computer or country. I dislike such feature because it is already causing me lots of problems in e.g. Hotmail and Steam. I guess in Steam you can disable it, but then you have no two-step verification at all, which is not good either (as in GOG currently).

Instead, what I want is two-step verification whenever someone (me included) tries to change either the email address or the password. Otherwise, no restrictions. It could notify me though in email if and when someone tries to log in as me from a different computer or country, that's fine to me.

Sure, if the user so wants, he could also enable two-step verification for logging in elsewhere or a different computer. I guess people who never need to log in from new computers nor abroad are fine with such functionality; for me it is not (damn I was furious for not being able to log in to either Hotmail and Skype in Norway a couple of weeks ago due to that stupid two-step verification...). As long as it is optional.

So if GOG gathers such a list, there will most probably be several conflicting wishes there. Yes, even regarding moderation, at least what should be moderated (e.g. some die-hards want all discussion about non-GOG services (esp. Steam) moderated away, so should GOG do that? I personally think not.). So how does GOG decide which way they should go with those conflicting wishes?

I'm surprised so many people in this discussion act as knowing what every forum member wants, and anyone who thinks differently must be just some troll who wants to destroy the forum. People should remember they are not speaking for the "community", they are just speaking for themselves, and some others who happen to have similar views.
Posted August 03, 2015
Nice to see Momo back but not for this reason. I don't have an answer to the current problem but agree that the forum is not what it used to be. Momo has been a great and very generous member of this forum and it is sad to think that her, and others, are leaving because of the actions of a few. I guess we should be happy that we were here when things were good.

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Ciris: Guys, of course you do have some good points in this thread. I'd just like to let you know that there's more posts about the issue and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/fuck_fuck_fuck_jizz_cunt_asshole_blowjob_cock/page10]here from myself on the matter, saying what I can about the current plan of action and suggestions I've passed on.

I'd hugely appreciate it if you'd post any suggestions I should see that hasn't already been mentioned in one of those topics or message me directly, as with more like this popping up, I'm becoming unable to track them all. Thanks!
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drealmer7: That's what is in those threads? What the hell? I don't even click on those threads at all and can't figure out why anyone else does either. Apparently there is good content under a shitty subject line? Uhh, no thanks, not even going to look. Really stupid.
My thoughts exactly!!!
Posted August 03, 2015
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drealmer7: That's what is in those threads? What the hell? I don't even click on those threads at all and can't figure out why anyone else does either. Apparently there is good content under a shitty subject line? Uhh, no thanks, not even going to look. Really stupid.
The thread titles basically translate to "DEAR GOG, I'M DESPERATELY TRYING TO GET YOUR ATTENTION WITH THIS THREAD TITLE". Stupid? Maybe... Necessary? I sadly think so.
Posted August 03, 2015
There was a recent sale where GOG posted something like their Top 20 Buyers, the folks who had bought the most titles from the GOG catalogue. The response from the majority of us on nearly all the names was "who?". I think that illustrates the divide between how important we feel we are to GOG, and how important we actually are, at least in a fiscal sense. They probably view the forums less as the payout slot of an ATM and more as the release valve on a pressure cooker.

In the fraternal sense, we love games, we love GOG, and we love each other. But we are ultimately the gregarious group that reserves the big table in the restaurant once a week - our presence is occasionally a boon, but equally likely to leave a mess, and of itself does not keep the business afloat.

There are still minor changes which GOG could make that would render the forum experience vastly better for us. But for reasons monetary or otherwise, those changes are not priorities, and are unlikely to become so when weighed against things that bring in the dosh. Ultimately it falls, as it ever has, upon us to do what we can ourselves, until such time as GOG delivers to us tools with which to do better.
Posted August 03, 2015
I'm amazed on how much this has snowballed. It seemed like a run of the mill scammer trying to take advantage from the community and look where we're now.
And support won't do anything about it.
Posted August 03, 2015
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IAmSinistar: Ultimately it falls, as it ever has, upon us to do what we can ourselves, until such time as GOG delivers to us tools with which to do better.
And yet, the more we solve our own problems the least likely GOG is to do anything about them.
Posted August 03, 2015
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Momo1991: So it's pretty clear that MAHAYO - "Make a human answer you" wasn't effective or the solution to the relentless troll/scammer attacks many of us have experienced over the past couple of years. Those of us that have spoken out have been subject to relentless abusive tactics - hitting -5 rep or more on daily basis might not feel like abuse to those that could care less about rep BUT it's abuse no matter how you slice or dice it.

Recently many alt/ duplicate accounts have made a point to highlight how this abuse works to drive/silence/alienate forum members. Meanwhile GOG does exactly nothing/zero/zip/zilch....

So GOG, wtf are you going to do? Nothing again? Gee, what else is new? You asked what we wanted and then ignored us....

SO personally as I've communicated in my e-mails to support, I have not bought anything on GOG (except for a Secret Santa gift) in well over a year. If we want GOG to listen to us, we need to hit them where it hurts...in their bottom line.

I hate to say it but I am actually advocating a forum boycott... I love GOG but they consistently demonstrate a lack of respect for one of their biggest supporters - this forum. We've valiantly tried to support this community, we've welcomed new-comers, we've given support on games, we've joked, gifted, been friends...and GOG ignores this unpaid support.

Anyway, as I've previously stated - I am personally not buying a single game, no matter how cheap, no matter what the promo is, until GOG does something about the trolls infecting this forum. Join me or not - it's just an internet forum that used to matter to me. Yeah, I'd like it to matter to GOG too but my hope is not a plan....

Hope is not a plan no matter how much you MAHAYO it :-(

Momo over and out... again :-p

~marking 1280 rep cause I feel it's imperative to start documenting the rep attacks going forward~
Well Momo I have discussed this with you before briefly some time ago, it didn't end too well but we both respected each others opinions and that's what matters.

I won't be boycotting the forums just yet and I am hardly a huge contributor anyway, but I will again say that if you want to give away free stuff right outside the gates to a shop then you are going to have to take some flak from what amounts to your concerns- beggars and scammers out to get a free lunch.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

I do not want to take away from you your generosity or good will to a huge number of people who generally approved of yours and others good will, but this is the net not everyone is to be trusted.

All I am saying is you do not need to have censorship here (once that gets implemented I will be off), just look for a new method if you wish to give stuff away for free.
Posted August 03, 2015
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Pheace: And yet, the more we solve our own problems the least likely GOG is to do anything about them.
I don't think they've actually taken fan-fixes as a remit to stop their own work on things. Rather, I believe they have their own business plan for how things are going to unfold, and that's what happens. Look at the site overhaul, or the change of PM to chat. None of these borrow things in the least from fan-fixes, and in many cases actually went in the opposite direction.

So we're not letting them off the hook by addressing their deficiencies. We're simply making things better for ourselves. These are changes they never intended to make no matter how long they sat unaddressed.
Posted August 03, 2015
While I understand that, a business plan is based on priorities, and the more we handle things ourselves, the less of a priority we'll be.

If this forum descended into anarchy with unstoppable spam or abuse all over it, it'll become a detractor to GOG and they'll have to act, no matter how 'less relevant' the population of that forum may be, it would tarnish their reputation if it became too bad a place.

Not that I'm expecting it to get there any time soon, more overblowing the issue to illustrate a point.
Posted August 03, 2015
Gog forum = Titanic

Someone must to do something before it will hit an iceberg .
Posted August 03, 2015
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Anatomy of a Disrupted Giveaway

For those of you who were not part of it, here is a rundown of the events in Phc7006's most generous recent giveaway (all times are PDT).

The 4-phase, 16-game mystery giveaway (need to guess the GOG games in order to get them) began early yesterday morning and was quickly joined by many goglodytes who like this kind of spirited forum activity, myself included.

After a few hours it became clear to some of us that the giveaway had been joined by a scammer (or perhaps more than one) using alt accounts. This was discussed in private chats, not in the thread itself. I am aware of one discussion, but I expect there were more.

In the afternoon, Phc7006 reluctantly had to do something about it and he restricted participation to those who had joined before April 2015.

Then all hell broke loose. Every single post in the thread became low rated within minutes (since then people have upvoted everyone back to normal --- a few minutes ago all posts AGAIN became low rated).

A couple of hours later many of us got a chat message from what looked like Phc7006 (but was really Phc7OO6 --- note the capital O's instead of the zeros). Attached is mine [pic 1]. The avatar used was the avatar Phc7006 has been using for years (Phc7006 changed his avatar as a result of this). Even Phc7006 himself got one [pic 2].

People began discussing it in the thread itself, especially since some people did not realise that the chat message was not from Phc7006 but from an impersonator.

Come evening, the scammer openly joined the discussion, gloating at how he had managed to disrupt the giveaway, posting from multiple accounts (several of his posts have since been deleted). Here are some mild examples: post 167, post 169, post 178. IIRC, In one of the posts (can't find it now) he even bragged that he was using a tool (he got from someone one steam, IIRC and we are to believe him) to automatically downvote all the posts in the entire thread. He also posted a vicious jpg where one can clearly see all the early posts of the thread downvoted (and other uglinesses) [pic 3]. His posts makes it seem as if there was more than one person involved, but that may well not be the case. It hardly matters.

Then he went away, probably to sleep, and guessing resumed as normal.

This morning, Phc7006 woke up to see the mess and was especially dismayed at how easily someone could impersonate him via the chat system. He understandably decided to cancel the giveaway, which based on past experience would have otherwise probably run for several days or even a week.

You can read some people's sad reactions after Phc7006's post.

As I had already mentioned above, while composing this post, I noticed that all the posts in the giveaway thread had been AGAIN downvoted. This has seen been partly reversed, possibly by the community.

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