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Posted July 05, 2017
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CARRiON-XCII: Achievements are like arcade game high scores from the 80's and 90's. A sense of accomplishment for doing a hard task, or bragging rights. Its just been modernized. They're harmless, easy to implement, easy to ignore, and having them would satisfy the crowd of people who like both GOG and achievements. I fail to see how that's a problem. If you're still worried about GOG being "Steam-ified" with all these more social features, that ship has sailed a loooong time ago.
What they are is a pathetic enticement to get the idiot masses to think that gaming clients are cool.
Posted July 05, 2017
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XeidiDent: It does. You can either set it to auto-update or manual-update. If you set it to manual-update, Galaxy will show you which games have new updates and it's up to you to update it or not.
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molerat: To elaborate on this, when updating is set to manual a little blue dot will appear next to the game in the installed games list when there is an available update.

At least I think its blue... stupid color blind... To someone who has normal eyes, is it blue?

Edit: I just noticed that its on the right when in compact view mode, and on the left of the title when in expanded list mode.
Yes, it is, in fact, blue. :P

And yeah, you get a game-per-game notification on updates (when/if on manual), but there's no overall notification, nothing on the header, no pop-up when a game has an update. You have to browse manually through your installed games to check it. And while this is easy to manage when you have relatively few games, it's kind of a chore if you happen to be a proud owner of a substantial-sized library of GOG titles. Since I have over 600 games, of which circa 120 are currently installed on this PC, I tend to just leave it on auto-update.
Posted July 05, 2017
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muntdefems: Wait, what?!? Galaxy doesn't tell you when one of your games has received and update and asks if you want to update it? Then what's the point of using Galaxy?
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groze: Different people want different things from GOG Galaxy. Personally, I use Galaxy as a downloader and because of the rollback feature, which lets you go back to a previous version of a game -- which comes in handy if a patch broke the game for you but an older version was working fine. I got used to other features as well, and I have come to like them, but those two are the main reasons I use it. And, yes, I'm aware of the old GOG Downloader, but it's more convenient for me to have everything in one nifty pack. Cloud saves were a really welcome addition, to me, since I play my GOG games on different machines and it's really nice to have the same save accessible, so I can continue the game regardless of where I am or on which computer I'm playing it, without the need to carry some storage device around with my backup saves on it. It's true, however, that if you don't have internet access, the cloud saves won't do you much good, but to me that's not an issue.

Other people like Galaxy for the auto-updates (which, again: are *fully reversable), which I also don't mind and generally leave on. Others like it for keeping up with game session time. Some people like it for the centralized hub for socializing and community/friends aspects. There are even those who like Galaxy for the achievements. What I don't get is why so many people get so affected by this. I don't like it when GOG pushes Galaxy on their customers, as I believe it should really be optional, but as long as it is optional, why do you keep bashing it relentlessly? I think it's very simple: if you don't like it, that's perfectly fine, just don't use it. But you don't have to tell those who want to use it that they're wrong or stupid or whatever. That just makes you a self-entitled elitist prick, and if being a TRUE GAMER is to be like that, than I don't want to be one. Simple as that.

Oh, and that "get rid of Galaxy/achievements before GOG turns into Steam" argument? Yeah, not the most solid of reasonings, and doesn't actually do much good, unless you're purposely set on fear mongering and happen to see that as a good thing.
But these masses of other people that want this have a myriad of options for this, steam, uplay, blizzard, r*, etc. For those of us who don't want achievements, don't want drm'd internet saves, preorders, day 1 dlc, manuals soundtracks etc being separate dlc, regional pricing, regional locks, social gaming, clients, indev, and all the other must haves for the various masses dragged over for the one or two game gimmicks like connect and witcher 3, is those of us who brought games here to avoid all of this, these endless I want <xyz> feature from steam are getting quite annoying. This place IS turning into steam one little change at a time over years, much like recently where galaxy was going to be bundled into the installers, is anyone really naive enough to think this was a mistake? They want you all tied to their client as do all companies, it creates a captive audience for your product and the means to analyse he user base for advertising and other such things. Drm free is just a gimmick to them which will be dropped or eroded over time (gwent for instance is not drm free and goblins only just). This is why there is so much anger and resent towards galaxy, we came here to avoid this and the things it represents, otherwise I would just rent games cheaply off steam!!
Posted July 05, 2017
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groze: Different people want different things from GOG Galaxy. Personally, I use Galaxy as a downloader and because of the rollback feature, which lets you go back to a previous version of a game -- which comes in handy if a patch broke the game for you but an older version was working fine. I got used to other features as well, and I have come to like them, but those two are the main reasons I use it. And, yes, I'm aware of the old GOG Downloader, but it's more convenient for me to have everything in one nifty pack. Cloud saves were a really welcome addition, to me, since I play my GOG games on different machines and it's really nice to have the same save accessible, so I can continue the game regardless of where I am or on which computer I'm playing it, without the need to carry some storage device around with my backup saves on it. It's true, however, that if you don't have internet access, the cloud saves won't do you much good, but to me that's not an issue.

Other people like Galaxy for the auto-updates (which, again: are *fully reversable), which I also don't mind and generally leave on. Others like it for keeping up with game session time. Some people like it for the centralized hub for socializing and community/friends aspects. There are even those who like Galaxy for the achievements. What I don't get is why so many people get so affected by this. I don't like it when GOG pushes Galaxy on their customers, as I believe it should really be optional, but as long as it is optional, why do you keep bashing it relentlessly? I think it's very simple: if you don't like it, that's perfectly fine, just don't use it. But you don't have to tell those who want to use it that they're wrong or stupid or whatever. That just makes you a self-entitled elitist prick, and if being a TRUE GAMER is to be like that, than I don't want to be one. Simple as that.

Oh, and that "get rid of Galaxy/achievements before GOG turns into Steam" argument? Yeah, not the most solid of reasonings, and doesn't actually do much good, unless you're purposely set on fear mongering and happen to see that as a good thing.
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nightcraw1er.488: But these masses of other people that want this have a myriad of options for this, steam, uplay, blizzard, r*, etc. For those of us who don't want achievements, don't want drm'd internet saves, preorders, day 1 dlc, manuals soundtracks etc being separate dlc, regional pricing, regional locks, social gaming, clients, indev, and all the other must haves for the various masses dragged over for the one or two game gimmicks like connect and witcher 3, is those of us who brought games here to avoid all of this, these endless I want <xyz> feature from steam are getting quite annoying. This place IS turning into steam one little change at a time over years, much like recently where galaxy was going to be bundled into the installers, is anyone really naive enough to think this was a mistake? They want you all tied to their client as do all companies, it creates a captive audience for your product and the means to analyse he user base for advertising and other such things. Drm free is just a gimmick to them which will be dropped or eroded over time (gwent for instance is not drm free and goblins only just). This is why there is so much anger and resent towards galaxy, we came here to avoid this and the things it represents, otherwise I would just rent games cheaply off steam!!
That's a lie. Many users want games without drm but we also want achievements, cloud save, play online with our friends, have a user profile without having to be subjected to the abuses of platforms like steam.

The example can be seen in the wish list every time you put a request to add achievements to games or score to achievements has thousands of votes.

What is making gog grow is its galaxy platform coupled with its no drm policy.

If one does not want achievements, neither galaxy can play without them but the reality esque most gog users use gog galaxy and that is no coincidence.
Post edited July 05, 2017 by boztix
Posted July 05, 2017
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MariusHispano: I'm tired of a lot of gog games have no achievements and cloud save when the versions of steam have them

It's unfortunate because gog users are paying the same price as in steam.

If the developers are vague at least they charge us less for the game than in steam.

Also the support in some games is very poor in gog when in steam is very complete.

This is a shame.
Here we see an example of the common Vacuus vaporum. Commonly known as the virtual dick measurement contestant or Hollow inside gamer.

A trait of this species is that every time it says or posts something, thousands of people facepalm in desperation.
Posted July 05, 2017
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Why would abuse of the OP be high rated? nvm,I see all the fanboys in here.
Posted July 05, 2017
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nightcraw1er.488: This place IS turning into steam one little change at a time over years, much like recently where galaxy was going to be bundled into the installers, is anyone really naive enough to think this was a mistake? They want you all tied to their client as do all companies, it creates a captive audience for your product and the means to analyse he user base for advertising and other such things. Drm free is just a gimmick to them which will be dropped or eroded over time (gwent for instance is not drm free and goblins only just). This is why there is so much anger and resent towards galaxy, we came here to avoid this and the things it represents, otherwise I would just rent games cheaply off steam!!
Now this is what I agree with.

As long as Galaxy is optional, I have nothing against it. In fact, I even like to use it. But when they start to bundle it with games' installers I think this is where I draw the line.

So, even though Galaxy brings some cool features, I can understand people's concerns about GOG slowly becoming just another Steam and Galaxy becoming obligatory rather than optional. And to be honest, I share some of these concerns as well.
Posted July 05, 2017
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MariusHispano: I'm tired of a lot of gog games have no achievements and cloud save when the versions of steam have them

It's unfortunate because gog users are paying the same price as in steam.

If the developers are vague at least they charge us less for the game than in steam.

Also the support in some games is very poor in gog when in steam is very complete.

This is a shame.
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j0ekerr: Here we see an example of the common Vacuus vaporum. Commonly known as the virtual dick measurement contestant or Hollow inside gamer.

A trait of this species is that every time it says or posts something, thousands of people facepalm in desperation.
I do not understand why there are users who have to disrespect.

I and many users want achievements, cloud save, online game, overclay without having to be subjected to the abuses of steam, without having to be switching to disconnected mode.

In gog is very easy, those who want these options we use gog galaxy and those who can not use the game without gog galaxy.

I do not know what the problem is, and less so because several users have had to be insulted when just looking at the wish lists you can see that there is a vast majority of users who want these options.
Posted July 06, 2017
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nightcraw1er.488: But these masses of other people that want this have a myriad of options for this, steam, uplay, blizzard, r*, etc. For those of us who don't want achievements, don't want drm'd internet saves, preorders, day 1 dlc, manuals soundtracks etc being separate dlc, regional pricing, regional locks, social gaming, clients, indev, and all the other must haves for the various masses dragged over for the one or two game gimmicks like connect and witcher 3, is those of us who brought games here to avoid all of this, these endless I want <xyz> feature from steam are getting quite annoying. This place IS turning into steam one little change at a time over years, much like recently where galaxy was going to be bundled into the installers, is anyone really naive enough to think this was a mistake? They want you all tied to their client as do all companies, it creates a captive audience for your product and the means to analyse he user base for advertising and other such things. Drm free is just a gimmick to them which will be dropped or eroded over time (gwent for instance is not drm free and goblins only just). This is why there is so much anger and resent towards galaxy, we came here to avoid this and the things it represents, otherwise I would just rent games cheaply off steam!!
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boztix: That's a lie. Many users want games without drm but we also want achievements, cloud save, play online with our friends, have a user profile without having to be subjected to the abuses of platforms like steam.

The example can be seen in the wish list every time you put a request to add achievements to games or score to achievements has thousands of votes.

What is making gog grow is its galaxy platform coupled with its no drm policy.

If one does not want achievements, neither galaxy can play without them but the reality esque most gog users use gog galaxy and that is no coincidence.
Reliance on the internet is a form of drm. Galaxy offers you nothing that cannot do yourself actually drm free. Cloud saves, put them on a pen drive, don't drm them at the beck and call of the company or availability of the internet. Downloader, what is wrong with browser, never failed for me no extra bloat ware. Online social are of zero interest and neither is multiplayer although why you need galaxy and can't just use lan is beyond me.
So let me throw the question back to you: if one does want achievements etc. Why not use one the many available shops that already do this far better than gog? If you think gog are going to do it any different your just fooling yourself, ever since this move towards a steam like gog we have seen all the bad practices of steam coming in, and people loadly defending each move that that is what the majority want. If indeed they do want that why can they not use the systems already there rather than come to competition and turn them into the same thing. This is the point you and others fail to realise, there will NOT be any difference from gog to steam if they keep heading this way. Gwent is a prime example of a product which is NOT DRM free, and that is already here, it will not be long before this is commonplace on the site all for the good of the masses who want it.
Posted July 06, 2017
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boztix: What is making gog grow is its galaxy platform coupled with its no drm policy.
There's a difference between a facade and a policy.

There is no "DRM-free policy" in the fine print, nor does "DRM-free" have a legal definition, and since GOG has recently tried to infect the offline installers with default Galaxy installations, there is no reason to think that GOG is committed to providing DRM-free downloads *on principle*.
Posted July 06, 2017
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Posted July 06, 2017
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nightcraw1er.488: Reliance on the internet is a form of drm.
Galaxy doesn't rely on internet to let you play the games.

Cloud saves, put them on a pen drive, don't drm them at the beck and call of the company or availability of the internet.
If you opt-in for cloud saves, you'll have a copy of your save files both locally and online. Your saves won't be locked behind a server.
Post edited July 06, 2017 by XeidiDent
Posted July 06, 2017
The OP is right. It's ridiculous that some games have Achievements on Steam but not on Galaxy. That should never, ever happen. Galaxy games should always have as many or more Achievements than their Steam counterparts.

And Galaxy also needs a way for the user to display his/her Achievements to others who want to see them. Implementation of that that should be GOG's #1 priority. Without it, Galaxy Achievements is a disappointing, half-baked feature.

GOG users who don't like the Achievements feature need not ever use it. But not liking Achievements isn't a reasonable excuse to tell GOG users who do like Achievements that they need to stop liking them, and/or stop asking GOG to improve Galaxy Achievements so that GOG users stop being treated like second-class citizens in comparison to Steam users.

But these masses of other people that want this have a myriad of options for this, steam, uplay, blizzard, r*, etc.
The words "want this" and "for this" in that statement imply that the services you mentioned are equivalent to what we want, but they are not. We want DRM-free games and Achievements all in the same one place, namely GOG. The services you mentioned don't do that, therefore they are not what we want.

these endless I want <xyz> feature from steam are getting quite annoying. This place IS turning into steam one little change at a time over years,
Making GOG like Steam is not a bad thing --- up until the point when GOG becomes DRM like Steam is.

Other than being DRM (which is a deal-breaker), Steam has many features that make it better than GOG. For GOG to implement those same features only makes GOG better - so long as GOG does not go far enough to become DRM.

Drm free is just a gimmick to them which will be dropped or eroded over time (gwent for instance is not drm free and goblins only just). This is why there is so much anger and resent towards galaxy, we came here to avoid this and the things it represent
These are very valid concerns, but they need not be conflated with Galaxy Achievements. The issue of Galaxy Achievements and the issue of whether GOG will soon become DRM are two distinct issues that aren't related. Therefore, concerns over GOG becoming DRM should not be used as justification to leave GOG users with a gimped Achievements feature.
Post edited July 06, 2017 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
Posted July 06, 2017
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: -snip-
Couldn't agree more.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: ...The issue of Galaxy Achievements and the issue of whether GOG will soon become DRM are two distinct issues that aren't related. Therefore, concerns over GOG becoming DRM should not be used as justification to leave GOG users with a gimped Achievements feature.
The common thread is THE PROPRIETARY GAME CLIENT.

The very same one, in fact, that they recently tried to integrate into the OFFLINE INSTALLERS.

Part of being an adult is accepting that you can't have your cake *and* eat it, too. You have to make choices.
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