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Posted August 01, 2015
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monkeydelarge: That sounds like hell on Earth...
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jacobellinger: Lol because as I said I'm already working on a website using wordpress for someone I know and even though i'm not even using programming to do it, I've already had this exact expierance several times.

So there is this guy who use to be a electrical engineer. He was renowned in his day (the man is in his 80's) as being extremely thorough in his breakdowns of all the parts in the things he was working on.
so he says to me. "hay Jake, the website looks great but I need you to have a list numbered from 1.0/1.01/1.02/exc exc/2.0/2.01 exc exc for EVERY SINGLE LITTLE THING built into the website for users to navigate easily. oh and by the way every time I make a change in the website I want this document (as he calls it) on the website to change in accordance with this"

So I'm like ok . . . so then I work on it and get that part of the site all up and running and he's like "no no no, you have to indent it the same exact way I have it written" But I smile while raging inside because the template he chose does not allow indenting the way he wants it to. If I was to change the template then the whole site goes to shit.

I smile while trying to explain why his request is stupid. and all the while I never wanted to put the whole numbered document thingy in the site to begin with because most people are use to a traditional site map that is simple to use and groups things so you don't get a huge ass wall of text.

Aaaany ways I ended up convincing him to hire a programmer to make a algorithm so that any time I edit something or add something to the website it automatically updates the document and also the guy somehow got only that page to be formatted properly.
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Maighstir: PHP is a class tree of Web Developer, while it counts as a cross-class tree of Web Designer who thus has to spend skill points to learn it, and then the cost of leveling it up is doubled compared to Web Developer.

Also PHP skills below a certain level (relative to the current PHP level of the character) costs no mana of Web Developer, while they still have a cost to Web Designer (even if said mana cost is lower lower than PHP skills closer to the character's PHP level).

The opposite is true of CSS.
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jacobellinger: Ima nerd and I hope classes are taught like this lmao.
And I thought Brutal Doom is brutal. P I hope you are at least being paid well for this job.
Posted August 01, 2015
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jacobellinger: I want to take programming and web design. Question being what kind of programming and web design courses should I take for highest pay? Or most fun. or just what is your suggestions in general?

college* -_-
Programmers make next to minimum wage. Developers make money.

I'd personally recommend Software Engineering.

My alma mater has a spectacular program.

www.msoe.edu

program specific: http://www.msoe.edu/community/academics/engineering/page/1236/software-engineering-overview

Also, you can look over the masters programs. Free masters with completion of a bachelor's, so long as your GPA is high (3.5, I think).
Post edited August 01, 2015 by Tallima
Posted August 02, 2015
The sure way to success: ask complete strangers. :-)

But seriously, I'm glad for you that this thread became more serious as it went on. Let's face it, your OP was all over the place: money? or fun? or whatever? It was kind of amusing.
Posted August 02, 2015
I consider myself lucky.
I enjoy computers, programming and administration. I'm just a techie.


For many years I got paid for a hobby.

I could have made more money, but took less for a job I'd enjoy more. Except my last one which was one of desperation.
Posted August 02, 2015
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jacobellinger: Lol because as I said I'm already working on a website using wordpress for someone I know and even though i'm not even using programming to do it, I've already had this exact expierance several times.

So there is this guy who use to be a electrical engineer. He was renowned in his day (the man is in his 80's) as being extremely thorough in his breakdowns of all the parts in the things he was working on.
so he says to me. "hay Jake, the website looks great but I need you to have a list numbered from 1.0/1.01/1.02/exc exc/2.0/2.01 exc exc for EVERY SINGLE LITTLE THING built into the website for users to navigate easily. oh and by the way every time I make a change in the website I want this document (as he calls it) on the website to change in accordance with this"

So I'm like ok . . . so then I work on it and get that part of the site all up and running and he's like "no no no, you have to indent it the same exact way I have it written" But I smile while raging inside because the template he chose does not allow indenting the way he wants it to. If I was to change the template then the whole site goes to shit.

I smile while trying to explain why his request is stupid. and all the while I never wanted to put the whole numbered document thingy in the site to begin with because most people are use to a traditional site map that is simple to use and groups things so you don't get a huge ass wall of text.

Aaaany ways I ended up convincing him to hire a programmer to make a algorithm so that any time I edit something or add something to the website it automatically updates the document and also the guy somehow got only that page to be formatted properly.

Ima nerd and I hope classes are taught like this lmao.
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monkeydelarge: And I thought Brutal Doom is brutal. P I hope you are at least being paid well for this job.
600 a week

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mechmouse: I consider myself lucky.
I enjoy computers, programming and administration. I'm just a techie.

For many years I got paid for a hobby.

I could have made more money, but took less for a job I'd enjoy more. Except my last one which was one of desperation.
Well I was not sure what to ask. it's one of those weird things where you have to know about the very thing you don't know much about to ask the right questions.
Post edited August 02, 2015 by jacobellinger
Posted August 02, 2015
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monkeydelarge: And I thought Brutal Doom is brutal. P I hope you are at least being paid well for this job.
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jacobellinger: 600 a week :D

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mechmouse: I consider myself lucky.
I enjoy computers, programming and administration. I'm just a techie.

For many years I got paid for a hobby.

I could have made more money, but took less for a job I'd enjoy more. Except my last one which was one of desperation.
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jacobellinger: Well I was not sure what to ask. it's one of those weird things where you have to know about the very thing you don't know much about to ask the right questions.
Good deal. :)
Posted August 02, 2015
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grimwerk: Web design, eh?

Learn to keep your emotions hidden. Because on a daily basis, management and fellow employees are going to make "helpful" design suggestions and ridiculous demands. Your insides are going to scream, "No, that's a perfectly awful idea and I hate you." And yet you'll nod encouragingly, keep your rage from your face, and respond, "Hmm. Maybe we could try that." Practice this.

This looks great. Real great. But can we see it in pink? Oh, and move this over here. Oh, and it would be cool if the homepage opened with a movie every time you visit. Then you click through. Also, make sure you get everybody's email address before they can see any content. Also, the news link is a little subtle. It's news! Think zing and pep. maybe a little star that says "new" so people know when there is new news? Also, I found this really cute panda photo on imgur. Can we put it here? Let's make searching medical records fun.

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Hey, also, can we make our tags not span multiple lines? Because then people won't accidentally make large italicized regions by mistake!
Can I assume you're an avid reader of Clients From Hell? Otherwise, I think you'll be one from now on ;-)
Posted August 02, 2015
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Wishbone: Can I assume you're an avid reader of Clients From Hell? Otherwise, I think you'll be one from now on ;-)
Hey, that reminds me of things that happened that still make me a little bit angry, even though I appreciate that they're funny.

I read something similar, years ago:
http://www.27bslash6.com
Posted August 02, 2015
My experience from the client side is that the web guys will tell you they can do something, and then 3 months later have something hacked together that barely works or resembles the models I had built using Excel/Access and other office tools. 3 months is a long time in business world, and by then, often the entire demands of the business has changed, the needs have changed, and there is a new initiative/goals.

So moral of story is be able to move fast - build things that are implementable quickly and smoothly - don't over-commit - and try to understand how the web tools fit in the other business process that is going on. The web page is not an end goal, it is useful (or perhaps not so useful depending on implementation) tool in the overall business process.

In my experience, speed to market and building things for flexibility and changes is paramount, because business imperatives change considerably over the course of a year.
Posted August 02, 2015
i honestly thought this was about an actual collage....disappointed.
Posted August 02, 2015
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Wishbone: Can I assume you're an avid reader of Clients From Hell? Otherwise, I think you'll be one from now on ;-)
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grimwerk: Hey, that reminds me of things that happened that still make me a little bit angry, even though I appreciate that they're funny.

I read something similar, years ago:
http://www.27bslash6.com
Ah, yes. I've read that one as well. Some of it is pretty funny.
Posted August 02, 2015
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fartheststar: My experience from the client side is that the web guys will tell you they can do something, and then 3 months later have something hacked together that barely works or resembles the models I had built using Excel/Access and other office tools. 3 months is a long time in business world, and by then, often the entire demands of the business has changed, the needs have changed, and there is a new initiative/goals.

So moral of story is be able to move fast - build things that are implementable quickly and smoothly - don't over-commit - and try to understand how the web tools fit in the other business process that is going on. The web page is not an end goal, it is useful (or perhaps not so useful depending on implementation) tool in the overall business process.

In my experience, speed to market and building things for flexibility and changes is paramount, because business imperatives change considerably over the course of a year.
Here's a problem us coders have.

Something like Excel and (shuder) Access can be used to make quite complex and powerful functions/programs. But only for a few people, they don't scale for dozens or hundreds of people using it at the same time. Nor do they work well for large data sets.

A lot of the code may be handled by intental excel functions that may need to be recreated.

However I think the issue you have is not so much business pratctices have changed, but rather the type and method of presentation of data you need to access has changed. Opperational aspects of a business shouldn't be changing every 3 months.

There are specialist tools that can be bought for making data mining a bit easier, but nothing beats a good DBA with good SQL.

I've watched complex queries bring a £50'000 server and NAS box to its knees and with it 4000 users.

The thing is not knowing the size and nature of your business I'm only guessing.

It could be they're useless too. A friend of mine was contracting, raking in near £1000 a week (back in 1998). The guy next to him blagged his way in and knew nothing of the language his was coding in. It took 2 months (£8000) before he was rumbled.

I've also seen people that on paper look good, lots of Microsoft certification, but in reality had no understanding of computers or business.
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