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tinyE: Apart from that, need any help nailing yourself to that cross? :D
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fr33kSh0w2012: I was nailed to a wooden plank when I was in year 7 (12½ years old) by year 12 students (18 Years old) the nailer made like a "ZUZ-KA-CRACK" sound hurt like hell while I was screaming they were laughing like evil psychopaths!
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paladin181: While you're right, many groups wouldn't HAVE rights to speak up about being offended (in the US at least) if others who weren't directly affected didn't speak for them.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
If you see wrong, you should speak out against it and act out against it. Period.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
There are so many reasons not to just mind your own business as you put it. But I do understand your point. I just think it's a dangerous and toxic way of life.
But the point is "See Wrong". Many times it's "Assume Wrong". And maybe the "assumed victim" doesn't feel like a "victim" at all.
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toxicTom: Nowadays in Germany "Neger" is just one step before "Nigger"
Is it? I've seen people translating "Neger" to "Nigger" years ago already. Just have a look at this (english) Spiegel Online article from six years ago.
A few weeks ago I experienced a feeling I had almost forgotten about, but one which was familiar to me from my childhood. It's a feeling that had to do with the fact that people liked to call me a "nigger".

I was called this often as a child. That's how it was in the northern German city of Kiel in the early 1990s, when I was in elementary school. A boy at the playground might tug at his mother's sleeve, point at me and say, "Look, Mom, a nigger!" When a child had a birthday party, the parents served marshmallow-filled chocolates known as "Negerküsse," or "Nigger kisses."
We (german speaking folks) all know that a "Negerkuss" isn't a "Nigger kiss". And I bet she didn't get called "nigger" either, but just loved that wrong translation to make a point how racist all germans are.

I don't say there isn't any racism. There's lots of it! And it's worrying to see how you can win elections with racism nowadays (all over the world). But you don't fight it by pushing Neger into the nigger corner. Quite the opposite... People are getting sick of the language police. That's one of the reasons why far right parties are winning elections. People are sick of getting called racists, just because they think it's a bad idea to let more than one milion refugees into the country and to allow them to get there families here, too (when at the same time there's a cap on rent increases for the whole country, because there already wasn't enough housing space for the people who already live here).

I don't get it... Instead of fighting the real problems, people started to fight how we use or shouldn't use certain words. They're not fighting racists, they're fighting non-racist people who use normal words that racists use as a slur. Fight the racists, not the words. The way they're doing it now, they're giving more power to racists.
And now I'm out.
EDIT: Actually, just one more thing.
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fr33kSh0w2012: I was nailed to a wooden plank when I was in year 7 (12½ years old) by year 12 students (18 Years old) the nailer made like a "ZUZ-KA-CRACK" sound hurt like hell while I was screaming they were laughing like evil psychopaths!
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tinyE: https://media.giphy.com/media/fZVjYXa8MpW7K/giphy.gif
I got the scar puncture holes TO PROVE IT, you can see them QUITE clearly in a certain light.

Now: https://orig00.deviantart.net/abfa/f/2016/238/8/9/esults__1950s_man_w__tea_coffee_cup_by_mrangrydog-dafdak3.png
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fr33kSh0w2012: stuff
Wow. You got a lot of problems. I know, I have had a lot of problems. But there's a thing here. You've decided to take on a victim mentality, and for that, you suck. You constantly whine and cry about your life and insult others who don't want to here it, then cry abuse when they tell you to stuff your whining and crying. I don't normally interact with you, but to see you playing the victim card again is just insane. My child is intellectually incapable of taking care of himself, and I'm undecided as to whether he belongs in jail for sexually assaulting my daughter (his half sister) after 5 years of residential treatment has failed to help him. And that's with heavy involvement on my end (I didn't just send him away and forget about it). I watched friends die in Afghanistan.. I have PTSD. I don't cry the victim because I am in control of my own life.

Stop being a fucking victim, no one cares about your problems. No one wants to hear about your issues. Hell, one of the people you like to laugh at has battled cancer and at least temporarily won. He odesn't go on and on and on about it because he's not a victim either. Grow up and realize that even though your life has been hard up to now, only you can change it, and if you instead wallow in self-pity and stupidity, you'll be attacked and mocked because you're a loser. You've always been one and you've never tried not being one.
Jesus H Christ on a rubber crutch if you're so miserable find something else to do. Just quit whining about it here so you can cry victim when people tell you to shut up about it. You're not the only person to ever suffer.
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darthspudius: Are you suggested you should ban the word [t-slur]?
Yes, that Is the word I am saying should be banned.

Before you ask, that word has been used against me on this very forum. (I consider a spam post that is posted as a reply to me and uses that word repeatedly in a derogatory fashion to count as using it against me, but I am pretty sure that's not the only time it happened.)

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toxicTom: Little side-note: In the 90's I met a (black) guy (nice fellow) and while we were talking I actually asked him what he would like to be called. First answer was "My name, duh" but then he explained that he actually preferred "Neger" (Negro) over "Black", because in Western culture Black is associated with Evil (and white with Purity and Good), and Negro - although it means black - hides that. Nowadays in Germany "Neger" is just one step before "Nigger", but I almost exclusively see white people discuss "proper language" in this case...
Here are my thoughts:

Once black people start using that word to describe themselves and each other in public (and all-black or primarily-black spaces aren't enough; it needs to be in places like public social media posts), and once prominent black people and orginazations (I am thinking orginazations like NAACP), I'll consider the word reclaimed and acceptable to use; until then, I'll continue to treat it as a slur.
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paladin181: You're not the only person to ever suffer.
Taking in general here, not of any particular issues or people, but that doesn't make it any better or in any way acceptable. If it would, then nobody should ever be happy or talk about positive things either, because they're not the only ones to ever have it well either, and others certainly have it even better.
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paladin181: I don't cry the victim because I am in control of my own life.
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paladin181: Stop being a fucking victim, no one cares about your problems. No one wants to hear about your issues. [...] Grow up and realize that even though your life has been hard up to now, only you can change it, and if you instead wallow in self-pity and stupidity, you'll be attacked and mocked because you're a loser.
There's a term for that mindset: victim blaming. Making people responsible for what's being done to them, even more so when it's something willingly done by others, so it's very clear who should be held entirely responsible.
That's an awful, rotten mindset. As is that of those who cry foul over anything and demand the speech police and safe spaces and so on, yes. Sure, both should have the right to be expressed as opinions, free speech and all, but in terms of policies or even any practical application of social norms, neither should be even tolerated.
Just to be clear, lashing out against both fr33kSh0w2012 and paladin181 and anyone who agrees with either here.
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paladin181: You're not the only person to ever suffer.
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Cavalary: Taking in general here, not of any particular issues or people, but that doesn't make it any better or in any way acceptable. If it would, then nobody should ever be happy or talk about positive things either, because they're not the only ones to ever have it well either, and others certainly have it even better.
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paladin181: I don't cry the victim because I am in control of my own life.
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Cavalary: and
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paladin181: Stop being a fucking victim, no one cares about your problems. No one wants to hear about your issues. [...] Grow up and realize that even though your life has been hard up to now, only you can change it, and if you instead wallow in self-pity and stupidity, you'll be attacked and mocked because you're a loser.
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Cavalary: There's a term for that mindset: victim blaming. Making people responsible for what's being done to them, even more so when it's something willingly done by others, so it's very clear who should be held entirely responsible.
That's an awful, rotten mindset. As is that of those who cry foul over anything and demand the speech police and safe spaces and so on, yes. Sure, both should have the right to be expressed as opinions, free speech and all, but in terms of policies or even any practical application of social norms, neither should be even tolerated.
Just to be clear, lashing out against both fr33kSh0w2012 and paladin181 and anyone who agrees with either here.
However, providing no agency to the victim is dehumanizing them. While i agree that blaming a victim for something that happened to them outside of their control is wrong, there are also cases where this can be considered manipulation. If, for example, a person would say "we can have sex, but don't cross my boundaries [or even leave the boundaries part out, as would be far more common and normal]," but refuses to identify those boundaries, if those boundaries are crossed you could easily see it being either person's fault, not only could the one person be at fault for crossing the boundaries, but that same person could be held at fault for not demanding the boundaries be defined before committing any acts, and the other person could be blamed for failure to define the boundaries. Should this then be defined as rape, both people are not only both victims (the one is a victim of boundaries being crossed, and consequently rape, while the other could presumably be seen as having been manipulated). The first person could be male or female, as well as the second, and it could be straight or homosexual in nature, and no combination of biological sex nor role should really change how this situation is viewed. However, that is an extreme case.

If a man runs down a drug laden neighborhood screaming that he had just won the lottery, and said man invites everyone in the neighborhood to a party at his house, should he be robbed, he's naturally a victim. However, to suggest that he is completely blameless is nonsense: while everyone has agency, it is unreasonable to expect safety in such a situation. The man has committed no crime in this situation, so should the culprit be found and still magically have all the money, he would presumably be reimbursed, however everyone would surely declare the individual's absolute stupidity, in hopes that this or something like it, would be discouraged to the point of never happening again. Now, to add more complication to it, assuming the guy really was that stupid, however was in a castle doctrine state, the law would find the man guilty of murder should he kill the person who is breaking into his house: he effectively lured the person into a trap, even if it wasn't malicious (although the court would probably assume malice and declare murder of the first degree, on the basis that it appears premeditated).
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Cavalary: Taking in general here, not of any particular issues or people, but that doesn't make it any better or in any way acceptable. If it would, then nobody should ever be happy or talk about positive things either, because they're not the only ones to ever have it well either, and others certainly have it even better.
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There's a term for that mindset: victim blaming. Making people responsible for what's being done to them, even more so when it's something willingly done by others, so it's very clear who should be held entirely responsible.
That's an awful, rotten mindset. As is that of those who cry foul over anything and demand the speech police and safe spaces and so on, yes. Sure, both should have the right to be expressed as opinions, free speech and all, but in terms of policies or even any practical application of social norms, neither should be even tolerated.
Just to be clear, lashing out against both fr33kSh0w2012 and paladin181 and anyone who agrees with either here.
I largely ignore people crying the victim. There's a time and place. But when your every move is "I'm a victim, you can't say anything to me!" it's a straight up manipulation. I'm a victim, I honestly choose to put that away. I'm not victim blaming. No one was saying that anything that happened to the person was their own fault. What is their own responsibility and fault is how they deal with it going forward. You don't choose to be victimized. You can choose to continue being a victim after the fact though, which is what fr33ksh0w2012 chooses to do, and to be fair, they have every right. But to claim no one else could ever understand suffering because they're not [me] is fallacious and disingenuous. That's literally 90% of fr33ksh0w2012's posts and discussion {"my life is sooo terrible and you could never understand because you're not me, so shut up and tell me I'm ok!") and I just tire of seeing it because everyone has problems. Just because we don't constantly bitch and moan or bemoan our lot in life doesn't mean we don't understand suffering or hardship.
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fr33kSh0w2012: stuff
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paladin181: Wow. You got a lot of problems. I know, I have had a lot of problems. But there's a thing here. You've decided to take on a victim mentality, and for that, you suck. You constantly whine and cry about your life and insult others who don't want to here it, then cry abuse when they tell you to stuff your whining and crying. I don't normally interact with you, but to see you playing the victim card again is just insane. My child is intellectually incapable of taking care of himself, and I'm undecided as to whether he belongs in jail for sexually assaulting my daughter (his half sister) after 5 years of residential treatment has failed to help him. And that's with heavy involvement on my end (I didn't just send him away and forget about it). I watched friends die in Afghanistan.. I have PTSD. I don't cry the victim because I am in control of my own life.

Stop being a fucking victim, no one cares about your problems. No one wants to hear about your issues. Hell, one of the people you like to laugh at has battled cancer and at least temporarily won. He odesn't go on and on and on about it because he's not a victim either. Grow up and realize that even though your life has been hard up to now, only you can change it, and if you instead wallow in self-pity and stupidity, you'll be attacked and mocked because you're a loser. You've always been one and you've never tried not being one.
Jesus H Christ on a rubber crutch if you're so miserable find something else to do. Just quit whining about it here so you can cry victim when people tell you to shut up about it. You're not the only person to ever suffer.
You have got NO IDEA I don't laugh at him Because he had or has cancer No I argue with him because he calls me a bullsh!t artist, Have you been bashed and clinically dead over 33 to 35 times, No? I cannot CHANGE IT how do you change it when it's your parent and Sister and your parent is asking you weird as sh!t questions RAPIDLY everyday my parent is already on lots of clozapine

I have NEVER insulted any one that didn't insult me first AND YOU DAMNED WELL KNOW IT! you watched friends die in AFGHANISTAN well I'm sorry YOU CHOSE TO BE A SOLDIER IN THE WAR I Didn't choose to be the way I am.

I WATCHED MY ONLY FRIEND DIE when a SAMURAI SWORD CUT HIM IN HALF did you think of that? I SAW HIS GUTS STRETCH A WHOLE FOOTBALL FIELD HE WAS CRAWLING WITH HIS TOP HALF TO ME IT SCREWED WITH ME THAT HE LIVED THAT LONG!

I also have PTSD and TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY

Yeah because CANCER isn't someone injuring/half Mauling you to death IS IT!

My life hasn't just been "Hard" sonshine.

How is your son incapable of taking care of himself, Did you see him do what your daughter are claiming?

So your calling my utter torment everyday of the week and MOST of the night times STUPID?

You do realise I got my parent from schizo-affactive disorder (when having their episodes it is like they are demon possessed) to almost sane only took 18 to 20 YEARS of my life away from me started when I was 16 straight after my parents psychosis where my parent was rocking backwards and forwards clutching a pillow and crying and I had to watch my parent WITHER AWAY AND NEARLY DIE did your parents wither away looking WORSE then a POW CAMP VICTIM, Hmm?

Looking worse then this:

https://www.nps.gov/ande/learn/historyculture/images/33759v.jpg

Did your parent look like the photo above where you could see a fading photo of your parent in your mind yellowing like a photo then getting lines and cracks though it and then finally crumbling to dust, Do you know how much that sh!t hurt?

Do you know how many breakdowns I've had where ALL I COULD DO IS CRY OUT A WINDOW?

Do you realise a while ago my parent had a NASTY fall down steps and went through a wall HEAD FIRST and it nearly killed my parent?

My sister thought it was funny, when I collapsed the other day from EXHAUSTION.

I'd like to see YOU walk a day in my shoes, Sonshine.

Did you get raped at 6 years old multiple times a day LIKE I HAVE BEEN! but because I'm a male and the ones that RAPED ME when I was 6 years old IN A WOMANS REFUGE were female I was laughed at called a spastic a Loser just like you called me oh but that's right I'm just a F**KING RETARD LOSER and according to c**ts like you I took on the "Victim mentality"

No "Joe" I didn't, I tried taking on a happy face I tried to get along, I Tried to be nice and decent and respectful then some smart f**k (who thinks they are) makes smart arse remarks which causes others to DEREP me that Pisses me of "Joe"

I tell them look sonshine I'm dealing with XYZ here and I've been dealing with it for over 18 **YEARS** all I want "Joe" is people understanding and backing off a bit "Joe" hope you don't mind me calling you "Joe" it's short for "John Doe"

This soldier (me) is tired "Joe" tired of it all, The only way out of it "Joe" that I can see is if I END MY LIFE "Joe" It's plain obvious everyone hates my guts including you on here!

You don't deal with half of the sh!t I have dealt with and you CHOSE to be a soldier they don't draft kids anymore you knew the risks nobody held a gun at your head and told you YOU MUST JOIN the Military "JOE"

You thought you could be a HERO didn't you, You got USED "Joe" they used your sense of Patriotism against you, and you fell for it, so don't put that on me when you chose your career

My friend wanted to join the military "joe" he got 98% on his psych evaluation test he spent ONLY three (3) months living in my house he heard my parent and their ramblings for ONLY 3 months he went back to the base when they called him to do another psych evaluation test "Joe" He went from 98% on his psych test to only 02% and that was only 3 months of hearing sh!t out of my parents mouth it screwed him up my other friend who heard it went insane and Raped a 98 year old and he KILLED HER (do you know I live with that guilt everyday that my parent made one of my friends insane and he RAPED an OLD LADY) I Keep my parent OUT of the community "Joe" that means 24/7/365 I am Imprisoned in my own house I'm in prison being punished for the crime of having an insane parent. I have never commited any crime that I know of.
Post edited October 28, 2018 by fr33kSh0w2012
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paladin181: Words
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fr33kSh0w2012: Words
Yup. I rest my case. I'm not going to argue with you, or call your suffering less. I'm just going to say you proved my point with this post and be on my way. I have no intention in engaging you because it's not about the extent of your actual suffering (or how much of it you're making up, if you are) but rather about how this is literally all you do and how you define yourself. I wish you luck in the future and I hope you get the attention/help you so desperately need. But I will not indulge your "woe is me" pity party. I don't care.
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I'm not making it up, oh so now your Dodging me because I just proved that my parent sent my other two friends I managed to scrape up INSANE.
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fr33kSh0w2012: I'm not making it up, oh so now your Dodging me because I just proved that my parent sent my other two friends I managed to scrape up INSANE.
*sigh* you proved nothing. I'm refusing to totally engage because I choose not to. I don't hate you, and I don't want to make your suffering worse. I do doubt some of your claims, that's true. But I will NOT say I think you're making them up, or tell you which because perhaps you're not. I can doubt things while still recognizing the possibility it is true. It just simply isn't my business. And honestly, it would turn into a pissing contest with no way to prove and just dont want that. Besides, i dont need to cause you more pain by reliving painful events to try and prove to me how real your pain is. I do genuinely hope you can get help. We all need it sometimes in varying degrees, and you seem to need it as much or more than most.
Well it's 4:21 AM here right now My body is burning like I've got gunpowder pumping through my veins (It's pissing me off), I gotta fill up my hot water bottles to try and ease it, Fuck this crackling Pain keeping me up all night, Now I'm rambling and typing it at the same time, I have a bad habit of doing that.