I'm Canadian. We use proper English here. There should always be a "u" in neighbour.

I just wanted to quote this for posterity.

Also, I was going to ridicule you for claiming to be hunting penguins in the Amazon, but... TIL.

Ben?

Sounds about right for perma-Town yogsloth.

No. Please no. I've been on the receiving end of flak for my RL issues. I must respectfully insist that we give both of them all the benefit of the doubt. Same goes for Snowflake.

Have you changed your mind on the veracity of Micro's claim?

I was mainly saying we shouldn't discount the fact that either(Lift or SPF) could've been(but likely weren't) a scum ploy to buy time or not have to post much, and was only partially serious that we should see such as possible scum tells.

Also YES, IRL comes first and such posts should usually be believed to be as such, but(imo) town players should also be aware that scum COULD use such to their advantage & town players should read people accordingly if they go too long without posting. That means, YES, give them some benefit of the doubt as needed, but not a free pass for the entire game....especially players that might do so without explanation for large chunks of the game.....imo that would set that stance(be nice to IRL issues) up to possibly be exploited by enterprising scum in some cases

Of course the above doesn't apply(imo) to Flocke as much. He has not posted much(around a post every few days or so), and even in his latest post he couldn't seemingly spare 2 extra minutes to post a brief reads list?

Maybe he might have IRL issues, but i'm not buying it as much in this case.....also if he has such issues why hasn't he posted what they are so we know or(if need be) had himself subbed out if he cannot post to the game frequently enough(The last post was just him stating the number of posts was overwhelming then heading off, essentially)?

Ok, as of right now no interest in a yogs, agent, or Joe lynch.

Would gladly lynch Micro, Lift, Pooka, FlockeSchnee, or ConsulCaesar

Now Joe I’ve moved over to the no interest in lynching pile because even though he’s joking as he always does as scum or Town he does it more as scum from what I can remember and he’s continued to question little things that I think as scum he would let slide.

As for Micro, I still don’t like his claim as it’s way too convenient a claim for someone to hide behind and look Town after they’ve been put under pressure to claim. Like I said before his claim has credence as it’s listed on the Mafia Wiki as a possible variant, but the name really doesn’t fit the role IMO. Now if there was a Wayward Son role I could see it, but Innocent Child is a stretch because Percy was nowhere near innocent. I still say he’s probably a Neutral Survivor.

All of my reads are based mainly on gut feelings and I could have it all wrong as I often do, but I think I’m more right than wrong in my reads.

Well you could always join us on the Flocke wagon if they don't post much more in the next day or so, if you want.

Also to you/everyone else as well: Yeah, there is a small chance Flocke might be town, but even if they are...they post so little and with such little to "dig into" and analyze that it's likely we wouldn't be losing much even if Flocke turned out to be town.

sitting here trying to decide if this is scum GR "lets lunch a player who will be posting analysis tomorrow which might expose me/us"
bored GR trying to go for an easy lunch
or town GR thinking Flocke is scum.

Would lunch Caesar, Yogs, Pooka, GR, or Flocke.

Huh. If you put it like that a 'last minute innocent child' does actually fit Percy. I saw his going to the ministry and against his family as treason. But you're right. He comes around in the last minute.

Trent is actually right in his reply to me: names are mentioned as having a bearing on the role and he did exempt those from his 'flavour has no bearing on role' admonishment to me previously. So he wasn't contradicting himself.

@trent: what do you think now of the claim now, with this spin to it? Sure, the role name 'innocent' doesn't fit. But the mechanics of a role that gets proven in the late game, those do fit.

I agree, a D4 innocent child is still hard to swallow. But I say there is enough reasonable doubt now to let Micro live for at least one more night. Maybe we'll know more about him tomorrow. I hope we do, because by now his alignment is linked to yogs and trent. Both very heavily pushed against him. Especially Yogs dealing in absolutes that he knows aren't valid in Mafia.

Will that response still come?


Summary: Flocke did appear. But still just promised that he would write something meaningful later. Just like in his previous posts. @Flocke: promises aren't going to cut it at this point. You'll need to contribute and you'll need to reply.

Would lynch: Flocke, Consul, yogs, agent (neighborizing doesn't make him Town) and maybe Pooka for a leftover feeling of offness or Joe. Joe is by far not as active as he was in the past. He used to be a 'listen to me goddammit'-Townie. He seems much less invested and prone to go for opportune targets.

@Joe: where is that fighter for good an truth who showed such tenacity in the past, when I was scum?

Tbh it's a mixture of the last two PLUS wanting to give the town veterans that wagon so they can analyze it and put their money where their mouth is(and use the info to find scum).

As for the first thing: I think Flocke should get a chance to defend themselves, and if need be i'll give them said chance(by unvoting for a bit) if they get right next to hammer and haven't posted yet in the next 12-24 hours.

Of course at some point we have to cut our losses.....we've given Flocke a ton of chances to make their case/give reads/make posts in general & Flocke hasn't posted much of anything except the required 1 post or so every few days.

Yes, IRL comes first, but if someone cannot even be bothered to post much beyond the minimum needed for a game due to IRL duties/issues then why would they continue playing at that point & not ask for a sub(if needed)?

It's due to all this/the stuff I posted before/the fact that Flocke hasn't listed what is keeping them to such minimal posting(or asked for a sub) that I think it's more likely Flocke is possible scum...though, as I said before, I am willing to give them 1 last shot to prove themselves(not scum AND a useful town player).....but at some point we have to make a choice: either keep a possible scum(or lackluster town player) in play or lynch them(either due to Flocke being scum, as I suspect, or a minimally contributing/playing town player).
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Maybe we will.....or maybe we'll find out about Yog or Flocke....all of them are in need of being looked into, imo.

Agreed....I am willing to help keep him from lynch for the next 12-24 hours to give them one last chance, if need be, though....but that's about the limit of my patience. o.0

No. I mean... it's conceivable ZFR would actually write up that role, I guess? But no, it's still too far a cry for me to buy.

I'll happily switch back to micro if we can get that to roll, but at this point, they've both probably got to go.

Oh, you would lynch Flocke, would you?

Because you haven’t mentioned him.

In fact, this is the last time you mentioned him at all:

Where you’re giving him a town read (Carradice value < 0.5)


Unvotus FlockSchnee

Votus microfish


Again, just because I need to be able to see this in order to process it:


Flocke 4 - joppo, Lift, Joe, GameRager
Micro 4 - agent, trent, Caesar, yogsloth
yogs 1 - Micro

Not voting - SPF, FlockeSchnee, Carradice, Pooka

13 Players. Takes 7 to lynch.

NOTE that GameRager "unvoted" microfish, despite having already done so days ago.

How long to the deadline?

I still don't trust Micro but in order to avoid no-lynch I'd consider switching to FlockeSchnee if he keeps stalling.

So... we need at least one of them dead (and then alignment-confirmed) to be able to start drawing conclusions?


Good point against Micro. Of course, giving someone a 0.45 (as opposed to 0.5) is not exactly making a strong stance... but it's "leaning town" nonetheless.

Vote Count

Micro 5 - agent, trent, Caesar, yogs, SirPrimalform
Flocke 4 - joppo, Lift, Joe, GameRager
yogs 1 - Micro

Everyone else - 0
Not voting - Flocke, Carradice, Pooka

13 Players. Takes 7 to lynch.

Micro is closest at L-2

When you see a vote count, please take a moment to make sure your name is against the correct person.

We still can't take our thoughts off microfish, eh?

The scum would want a Day-Four-Innocent-Child dead because confirmed-town become powerful if the number of scum dwindle.
So they would have to eventually kill microfish themself if he does, indeed, become confirmed in two Days (unless we manage to not kill enough scum to get to endgame).
So honest-microfish being alive is good.

Dishonest microfish being alive isn't too much of a problem: When Day 4 comes round he gets lynched.
The problem is if he's got an extra-powerful scum role that he's just trying to get two more days use out of.

But I think, looking at it so, the rewards outway the risks.

You disagree?


He's busy putting on plays and hosting guests and moving house! I mentioned a few times this is a tough week!

Monday evening Europe