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Posted February 04, 2015
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Bookwyrm627: "Ya'll" is the second person plural. For some reason, people not in southern USA don't seem to like it.
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Wishbone: And according to Jeff Foxworthy, "Youance" is y'all +3, just about.

But as you say, those are not in wide use throughout the English speaking world.
It's not "youance", it's "you'uns", a version of "you ones", as "young'uns"= young ones=children.

But that's like expecting me to understand spoken Bayrisch/Bairisch. :)
Posted February 04, 2015
Captcha wouldn't be so bad if the damn letters wouldn't overlap.

Specially when dealing with lower case "L"s and upper+lower case "Eyes" (sigh, gogs capital "EYE" isn't a capital "EYE" wtf, its an lowercase "L"....)



Gog staff/admins, please PLEASE update your font so the captial "EYE" looks like a 90 degree H, aka a T with a line on the bottom too....
Posted February 04, 2015
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gbaz69: Captcha wouldn't be so bad if the damn letters wouldn't overlap.

Specially when dealing with lower case "L"s and upper+lower case "Eyes" (sigh, gogs capital "EYE" isn't a capital "EYE" wtf, its an lowercase "L"....)



Gog staff/admins, please PLEASE update your font so the captial "EYE" looks like a 90 degree H, aka a T with a line on the bottom too....
Good Captchas actually take this into account, so I, l, 1 would be the same and also m, rn, nn or S and 5.
Posted February 04, 2015
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HunchBluntley: ..., as at that time "thou" and "you" were both singular, with one being for more formal use or addressing one's social superior ("you"), and the other being more casual, or for addressing someone beneath one's own station ("thou").
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toxicTom: Yes! And all the medieval/fantasy/old-timey wannabes always get this wrong!
Not all...only those who've learned "Ye Olde Englishe" from RPG-speak and "quaint" advertising. Or those who make the wrong inferences from the copious use of "thou", "thine" and such in the King James Bible. "If God uses "thou" and "thee" so much, that must be the lordly way to speak!" And it was...for a lord speaking to his subjects. A lord speaking to his lord would use "you".
Though, believe me, I've also known some who, (for example) when playing "noble" characters in D&D, insisted on speaking in the mangled "old-fashioned" style, just throwing out "thee" and "perchance" and "milady" as if experience points would be assigned for the person who messed up the context the most or mangled his grammar the most thoroughly. So, yeah, I feel your pain.
Posted February 04, 2015
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HunchBluntley: Not all...only those who've learned "Ye Olde Englishe" from RPG-speak and "quaint" advertising. Or those who make the wrong inferences from the copious use of "thou", "thine" and such in the King James Bible. "If God uses "thou" and "thee" so much, that must be the lordly way to speak!" And it was...for a lord speaking to his subjects. A lord speaking to his lord would use "you".
Though, believe me, I've also known some who, (for example) when playing "noble" characters in D&D, insisted on speaking in the mangled "old-fashioned" style, just throwing out "thee" and "perchance" and "milady" as if experience points would be assigned for the person who messed up the context the most or mangled his grammar the most thoroughly. So, yeah, I feel your pain.
Go play Two Worlds (the first). It toughens you up. They even make fun of it in the second game.
Posted February 04, 2015
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Wishbone: And according to Jeff Foxworthy, "Youance" is y'all +3, just about.
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HunchBluntley: Besides "you-all" ("y'all"), apparently "youse" and "you-uns" (and probably others) are in use in certain parts of the U.S. I know "youse" is used in Ireland and apparently parts of Britain, and there are probably other "nonstandard" terms used in various English-speaking countries.
The interesting thing is, English did used to have proper second person plural pronouns, and lost them. I know "you" was at one time used more or less exclusively for that purpose, with "thou" being the singular form; and in a different time period (I think later) "ye" filled that role instead, as at that time "thou" and "you" were both singular, with one being for more formal use or addressing one's social superior ("you"), and the other being more casual, or for addressing someone beneath one's own station ("thou").

Sorry for the blather. I just find this sort of topic fascinating!
There are also languages that have dual forms, used to address exactly two people, but English is not one of those languages. :P And then there are languages that differ between you singular/plural and male/female.
Posted February 04, 2015
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toxicTom: Yes! And all the medieval/fantasy/old-timey wannabes always get this wrong!
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HunchBluntley: Not all...only those who've learned "Ye Olde Englishe" from RPG-speak and "quaint" advertising. Or those who make the wrong inferences from the copious use of "thou", "thine" and such in the King James Bible. "If God uses "thou" and "thee" so much, that must be the lordly way to speak!" And it was...for a lord speaking to his subjects.
I don't think 'thou' has ever been plural, so presumably that should be 'subject'. :-P

Otherwise, yes, there are some misleading specimens around. I don't think 'didst' in the Thief quotation I posted above should have been used in the third person, either.
Posted February 04, 2015
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HunchBluntley: The interesting thing is, English did used to have proper second person plural pronouns, and lost them. I know "you" was at one time used more or less exclusively for that purpose, with "thou" being the singular form; and in a different time period (I think later) "ye" filled that role instead, as at that time "thou" and "you" were both singular, with one being for more formal use or addressing one's social superior ("you"), and the other being more casual, or for addressing someone beneath one's own station ("thou").

Sorry for the blather. I just find this sort of topic fascinating!
Oh, but it is, I certainly agree. I actually knew the above already, but unfortunately it doesn't negate the lack of distinction between singular and plural in modern English. Especially since the former plural form is now both the singular and plural form, so the only formerly used forms I could possibly (albeit weirdly) press into service are the former singular forms, which won't help me phrase a sentence in the second person plural.
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Wishbone: And according to Jeff Foxworthy, "Youance" is y'all +3, just about.

But as you say, those are not in wide use throughout the English speaking world.
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Luned: It's not "youance", it's "you'uns", a version of "you ones", as "young'uns"= young ones=children.

But that's like expecting me to understand spoken Bayrisch/Bairisch. :)
Ah, thank you. I've only heard it spoken, you see. I've never seen it written down. You'uns makes a lot more sense :-)
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gbaz69: Captcha wouldn't be so bad if the damn letters wouldn't overlap.

Specially when dealing with lower case "L"s and upper+lower case "Eyes" (sigh, gogs capital "EYE" isn't a capital "EYE" wtf, its an lowercase "L"....)

Gog staff/admins, please PLEASE update your font so the captial "EYE" looks like a 90 degree H, aka a T with a line on the bottom too....
The word you're looking for is serif.
Post edited February 04, 2015 by Wishbone
Posted February 04, 2015
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toxicTom: Go play Two Worlds (the first). It toughens you up. They even make fun of it in the second game.
Is that the one (the first game, that is) where the characters only occasionally use the corny pseudo-old-timey language, and the rest of the time they speak in (more-or-less) contemporary language? I think I did read something about how, in the sequel, there's, like, one character who is the designated "speak like a moron who thinks he's a medieval town crier" guy, and most everyone else speaks "normally".

This actually raises an interesting question: do they try to replicate this sort of "poorly antiqued" style of language in the other localizations? Have you played the German-language versions (or any other versions) of these games, or only the English versions?
Posted February 04, 2015
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toxicTom: Yes! And all the medieval/fantasy/old-timey wannabes always get this wrong!
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HunchBluntley: Not all...only those who've learned "Ye Olde Englishe" from RPG-speak and "quaint" advertising.
And they almost always pronounce "Ye" with a Y, not being aware that the Y is actually a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)]thorn character[/url] representing the "th" sound, so the word is actually "The".
Posted February 04, 2015
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HunchBluntley: Not all...only those who've learned "Ye Olde Englishe" from RPG-speak and "quaint" advertising. Or those who make the wrong inferences from the copious use of "thou", "thine" and such in the King James Bible. "If God uses "thou" and "thee" so much, that must be the lordly way to speak!" And it was...for a lord speaking to his subjects.
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VanishedOne: I don't think 'thou' has ever been plural, so presumably that should be 'subject'. :-P

Otherwise, yes, there are some misleading specimens around. I don't think 'didst' in the Thief quotation I posted above should have been used in the third person, either.
Gee, thanks. As if I didn't already obsess over my posts too much before I actually posted them. Now I'll take twenty-five minutes to compose each post instead of fifteen, because this one time I missed an "s" that shouldn't have been there, and someone called me on it. Thanks a lot! :( [/fake_rant]

Seriously, though: Yeah, you're right, that was an oversight. =)

And, from what I remember, you're right about "didst": it should only be used with a second person pronoun. I think. :)

EDIT: Wow, this thread's taken an odd turn...not that I'm complaining. :D
Post edited February 04, 2015 by HunchBluntley
Posted February 05, 2015
Might and Magic is hit again... Very slowly...

http://www.gog.com/forum/might_and_magic_series
Posted February 05, 2015
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Ciris: ... but I can't commit more than an hour or two each day to being the human spam-filter, I have too much other stuff on my plate work-wise :(
Assign Judas the night-shift.
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Post edited February 05, 2015 by Gydion
Posted February 05, 2015
It's amazing what one word can accomplish. Ciris starts a thread called "Grabbing my ban hammer" and get's high rated. I start a thread called "Grabbing my hammer" and get reported!
Posted February 05, 2015
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tinyE: It's amazing what one word can accomplish. Ciris starts a thread called "Grabbing my ban hammer" and get's high rated. I start a thread called "Grabbing my hammer" and get reported!
There's probably a reason for that. :P
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