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Lucumo: I dunno, I gobbled up the books when I was a kid and did watch the first movie...which was a huge disappointment, so much so that I didn't watch any of the sequels, even as a kid. So it's not fair to paint it as simple as that. She and her books/movies got pushed a lot, so the release of those became an event and because of that, became something special in the minds of the people.
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pkk234: I think i was too dumb to interpret a movia as disappointing. It was just Harry Potter and everyone was watching it.
Although I quit both the books and movies at the third one for whatever reason.

I do remember my freshman year of college people in my dorm were shocked I hadn't seen any of the movies after the third one.
To be fair, I was already twelve when the first movie was released. And having read the books at their time of release, I had already a good vision of how it was supposed to be...which the movie didn't deliver, at all. I stuck with the books until the end, although I had to force myself to start the final one...which took me a year or two.
I would have said Star Wars: Episode I two years earlier was a disappointment too but I had no expectations for that one, so it was simply "meh".
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zeogold: I've read everything from ancient philosophy to early 1900s political satire to to Batman comics to obscure religious accounts nobody cares about that I needed a dictionary and Wikipedia on-hand for just to wade through and I just finished kids' book "Coraline" but a month ago.
You might want to check out Princess Tutu. The premise is basically "What if these people realized that they were characters in a story?"

Also, the first three Ace Attorney games have been released on Steam as a compilation. I truly recommend them, as the writing is quite amusing.
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zeogold: So, how did Mickey Spillane succeeded & how did he make all that money? By selling misogynistic crime pulps?
So, how did Beverly Clearly succeeded & how did she make all that money? By selling kids' books with shallow plots?
So, how did Shel Silverstein succeeded & how did he make all that money? By selling puns with scratchy drawings?
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LootHunter: Who are those people?
Mickey Spillane was basically the most prolific and successful pulp author ever. He wrote stories featuring Mike Hammer, a hardboiled private eye who fills pretty much every stereotype you can think of for the "hardboiled private eye" trope. Spillane helped to invent or at least pretty much trademark those tropes. He was always panned for having shallow, trope-filled plots full of sex and violence, but he sold well and the money was pretty much all he cared about. Sort of the Michael Bay of writing.

Beverly Clearly is known most for her Ramona and Beezus series of kids' books. She's repeatedly been called one of the most successful authors of all time, won a crapton of awards, and is cited as one of the first kids' authors to use emotional realism in her characters that her readers could relate to rather than your run-of-the-mill moral tales or fantasy stories.

Shel Silverstein was a humorist who did poems, cartoons, and (though lesser-known) songs ("Cover of the Rolling Stone", despite being sung by Dr. Hook & The Medicine Show, is by him). He's particularly known for three collections of poems called Falling Up, Where the Sidewalk Ends, and The Light in the Attic. While these got marketed as children's books, they were universally popular among kids and adults alike (in fact, I highly recommend them) due to their large amounts of wit combined with humorous artwork to go with each poem (the art sometimes forming the punchline).



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zeogold: I've read everything from ancient philosophy to early 1900s political satire to to Batman comics to obscure religious accounts nobody cares about that I needed a dictionary and Wikipedia on-hand for just to wade through and I just finished kids' book "Coraline" but a month ago.
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Sabin_Stargem: You might want to check out Princess Tutu. The premise is basically "What if these people realized that they were characters in a story?"

Also, the first three Ace Attorney games have been released on Steam as a compilation. I truly recommend them, as the writing is quite amusing.
Never heard of Princess Tutu, but I've played almost all of the Ace Attorney games, including the Professor Layton crossover. I still need to pick up the 6th game one of these days.
Post edited April 22, 2019 by zeogold
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zeogold: Never heard of Princess Tutu, but I've played almost all of the Ace Attorney games, including the Professor Layton crossover. I still need to pick up the 6th game one of these days.
If you don't mind wearing certain apparel, there is now an unofficial English patch for The Great Ace Attorney. That game probably won't officially land on western shores any time soon due to conflicts with the Sherlock estate, so there ya go. I hear that there is a rigamarole you can go through to buy the game for the Android platform, and then play it. The 3DS version requires much more beefier hardware to play properly, so Android is the preferable method.
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zeogold: Never heard of Princess Tutu, but I've played almost all of the Ace Attorney games, including the Professor Layton crossover. I still need to pick up the 6th game one of these days.
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Sabin_Stargem: If you don't mind wearing certain apparel, there is now an unofficial English patch for The Great Ace Attorney. That game probably won't officially land on western shores any time soon due to conflicts with the Sherlock estate, so there ya go. I hear that there is a rigamarole you can go through to buy the game for the Android platform, and then play it. The 3DS version requires much more beefier hardware to play properly, so Android is the preferable method.
Oh, cool! Thanks for the info.
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zeogold: Never heard of Princess Tutu, but I've played almost all of the Ace Attorney games, including the Professor Layton crossover. I still need to pick up the 6th game one of these days.
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Sabin_Stargem: If you don't mind wearing certain apparel, there is now an unofficial English patch for The Great Ace Attorney. That game probably won't officially land on western shores any time soon due to conflicts with the Sherlock estate, so there ya go. I hear that there is a rigamarole you can go through to buy the game for the Android platform, and then play it. The 3DS version requires much more beefier hardware to play properly, so Android is the preferable method.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/787480/Phoenix_Wright_Ace_Attorney_Trilogy__123/
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Sabin_Stargem: If you don't mind wearing certain apparel, there is now an unofficial English patch for The Great Ace Attorney. That game probably won't officially land on western shores any time soon due to conflicts with the Sherlock estate, so there ya go. I hear that there is a rigamarole you can go through to buy the game for the Android platform, and then play it. The 3DS version requires much more beefier hardware to play properly, so Android is the preferable method.
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amok: https://store.steampowered.com/app/787480/Phoenix_Wright_Ace_Attorney_Trilogy__123/
Wrong game. GREAT Ace Attorney is a spin-off series set in Victorian England. It's only available for 3DS, IOS and Android.
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servobeupstry: Wrong game. GREAT Ace Attorney is a spin-off series set in Victorian England. It's only available for 3DS, IOS and Android.
ah, I see
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zeogold: Mickey Spillane was basically the most prolific and successful pulp author ever. He wrote stories featuring Mike Hammer, a hardboiled private eye who fills pretty much every stereotype you can think of for the "hardboiled private eye" trope. Spillane helped to invent or at least pretty much trademark those tropes. He was always panned for having shallow, trope-filled plots full of sex and violence, but he sold well and the money was pretty much all he cared about. Sort of the Michael Bay of writing.

Beverly Clearly is known most for her Ramona and Beezus series of kids' books. She's repeatedly been called one of the most successful authors of all time, won a crapton of awards, and is cited as one of the first kids' authors to use emotional realism in her characters that her readers could relate to rather than your run-of-the-mill moral tales or fantasy stories.

Shel Silverstein was a humorist who did poems, cartoons, and (though lesser-known) songs ("Cover of the Rolling Stone", despite being sung by Dr. Hook & The Medicine Show, is by him). He's particularly known for three collections of poems called Falling Up, Where the Sidewalk Ends, and The Light in the Attic. While these got marketed as children's books, they were universally popular among kids and adults alike (in fact, I highly recommend them) due to their large amounts of wit combined with humorous artwork to go with each poem (the art sometimes forming the punchline).
Thanks for the explaination. I'll read Silverstein poems, when I have the time.

Though my actual point was - are those people that successful, if I (more than average reader) never heard of them? (Well, except I tink I saw Mike Hammer tv-series). I mean, not only there is a tonn of adaptations of Dr. Seuss books, but also references in different media (for kids and for adults alike). Same with Rowling - her books were so popular that here in Russia we have two(!) series of parody books (one of authors Rowling actually tried to sue, but unsuccessfully). To me it looks like Spillane, Cleary and Silverstein are simply not in the top league.:P
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LootHunter: Though my actual point was - are those people that successful, if I (more than average reader) never heard of them?
Considering they sold millions of copies, won tons of awards and, despite not necessarily reaching Russian shores, are generally well-known authors in their home countries and abroad, yes. That speaks more to a limitation of your own knowledge in regards to literary circles. Was Alexander Pushkin unsuccessful just because most Americans have never read any of his works? Is Moby Dick not an influential book just because most people either only read it as part of a school course or not at all? Is George Bernard Shaw not a significant literary figure because his works were more widely-read 50 years ago as opposed to today? If you'd like me to name other influential and/or successful authors you've probably never heard of, I could also talk about Phillip Roth, Don DeLillo, John Collier...
Post edited April 23, 2019 by zeogold
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BeatriceElysia: So, how did JK Rowling succeeded & how did she make all that money? By selling average written books?
I heard from a friend that the entire story of Harry Potter was a rip off of a better done manga. I don't recall the name off hand.

But sometimes success, comes from being in the right place at the right time.

Though honestly... i somewhat dislike her books. There's nothing clever she does in the books, she intentionally leaves details out. Literally. There's no way to guess what was upcoming, until the end when it's explained and you look back and it's never mentioned so you're literally stumbling in the dark until she goes TADA!!! This is what was 'building up' and you just look back and go BUILDING UP WHAT???

In short, the books are decent enough to spark imagination and have a lower reading requirement so 4th graders or younger can read it, but it's sub-par in it's writing.
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zeogold: Shel Silverstein was a humorist who did poems, cartoons, and (though lesser-known) songs ("Cover of the Rolling Stone", despite being sung by Dr. Hook & The Medicine Show, is by him). He's particularly known for three collections of poems called Falling Up, Where the Sidewalk Ends, and The Light in the Attic. While these got marketed as children's books, they were universally popular among kids and adults alike (in fact, I highly recommend them) due to their large amounts of wit combined with humorous artwork to go with each poem (the art sometimes forming the punchline).
His most famous song would almost certainly be the one Johnny Cash made not only famous but into a cultural meme - "A Boy Named Sue."

Bobby Bare's humorous "The Winner" and the surprisingly sweet and simple "Jennifer Johnson" (covered by many) would be among the long list of songs he wrote performed by others. He was a decent songwriter, when he wanted to be. ;)

The amusing thing about Silverstein, perhaps, is that he's best known for wry children's books, but he wrote a lot of stuff that ranged from counter-cultural (like the anthemic "I Got Stoned And I Missed It") to the more lascivious.
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zeogold: Shel Silverstein was a humorist who did poems, cartoons, and (though lesser-known) songs ("Cover of the Rolling Stone", despite being sung by Dr. Hook & The Medicine Show, is by him). He's particularly known for three collections of poems called Falling Up, Where the Sidewalk Ends, and The Light in the Attic. While these got marketed as children's books, they were universally popular among kids and adults alike (in fact, I highly recommend them) due to their large amounts of wit combined with humorous artwork to go with each poem (the art sometimes forming the punchline).
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bler144: His most famous song would almost certainly be the one Johnny Cash made not only famous but into a cultural meme - "A Boy Named Sue."

Bobby Bare's humorous "The Winner" and the surprisingly sweet and simple "Jennifer Johnson" (covered by many) would be among the long list of songs he wrote performed by others. He was a decent songwriter, when he wanted to be. ;)

The amusing thing about Silverstein, perhaps, is that he's best known for wry children's books, but he wrote a lot of stuff that ranged from counter-cultural (like the anthemic "I Got Stoned And I Missed It") to the more lascivious.
Ah, I'd forgotten about A Boy Named Sue.

What I found most surprising about Silverstein was learning that he didn't just write songs, he actually sang a few himself. And often did it better than the people who covered him, in my opinion (he definitely had the best version of "I Got Stoned And I Missed it").
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BeatriceElysia: So, how did JK Rowling succeeded & how did she make all that money? By selling average written books?
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pkk234: You know kids gobbled those average written books up right?
Then those same kids gobbled up those average ass movies too.

And now those same kids who are now adults still gobble her money grab sequels cause nostalgia.

She can release some book 20 years from now and still make money. The Harry Potter Universe is pretty profitable.
Aim low---->>>profit high?

Fits right in with everything else going on in this world. o.O
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LootHunter: Though my actual point was - are those people that successful, if I (more than average reader) never heard of them?
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zeogold: Considering they sold millions of copies, won tons of awards and, despite not necessarily reaching Russian shores, are generally well-known authors in their home countries and abroad, yes. That speaks more to a limitation of your own knowledge in regards to literary circles. Was Alexander Pushkin unsuccessful just because most Americans have never read any of his works? Is Moby Dick not an influential book just because most people either only read it as part of a school course or not at all?
Ok. I've got your point. Success is relative.

Though those two particular examples are somewhat questionable. Most Americans don't know Russian poetry either way, so it doesn't matter if Pushkin is the greatest Russian poet. (To be fair I too don't know much of English language poetry, beside Blake and Keats - and those two, as you can guess, through the references from other media)
And Moby Dick is also referenced in the media quite a lot, so you don't need to belong "literary circles" to know about it.
Post edited April 23, 2019 by LootHunter