I can think of at least 3-4 different scenarios which would result in this. Can't you?

Don't you have someone who is your top suspicion?

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How are you so sure? Do you have a plan to fish that something out?

AZ warned in this very thread that he has a large move IRL going on and won't be available a whole log. Didn't you see?


OK, I wasn't sure last time when you pinged so I just assumed you're right even though I was surprised but this time you're completely wrong. My last post was last morning and your prod is from last evening. At the time of writing this my post #549 says "23 hours ago" (PPE: it just changed to "Yesterday" so it was roughly the same time yesterday morning). I don't know what's going on where you're looking at but something ain't right.


I don't know if that would happen. Barring a claim I'm not sure what someone would say to get themselves out of the suspects pool. It's more likely someone digs themselves a deeper hole becoming more eligible than others, if that counts for "self-resolving".

Not one bit. I already have hard time reading the games I do participate in, let alone anything that doesn't concern me directly.

Looks worse than before. I don't like how razza's list seemed to point to RW as what read to be as most suspect (in comparison most others came with some words of uncertainty/doubt) and yet she ended up voting for Joe who was supposed to be only supervision until then.

He's playing from behind a bit so it's probably harder for him regardless of his alignment. I also vaguely remember he said he was swamped with work and that is most definitely quite crippling to anyone's game so I'd cut him a bit of slack.

I don't really remember when Dessimu said that in as an argument for him being Town but I know I was thinking it for sure before the replacement happened.

Yes, what did you think I meant? And sorry for not using normal terms, I was mostly trying to be clear for the new people, it didn't cross my mind it would confuse the regulars as it seemed pretty obvious to me what I meant. I'm not sure what you're implying with that last point about the phrasing. Is it a problem for you that my sentence contains this redundancy?

Perhaps it's me who isn't understanding. What do you mean by the bolded (by me) part? I'm saying the exact opposite - that RW looks better because he voted earlier for buck rather than later or never. If he waited and voted near the end on Joe's or my or Frostburn's places he would have been looking worse, wouldn't he?

Where did I say scum!razza "makes" scum!Joe? I said I'm considering the pair, not that it's automatically the case. And I'm considering it mostly because razza is new and Joe was pretty willing to give them a pass a couple of times. Razza's strange vote on Joe makes that a bit more unlikely unless it's just distancing.

I forgot about asking the question.


For me the remaining scum pretty much certainly are among Joe, Babark, Catte, Dessimu, RW and razza. Out of these I think the best chances of hitting scum on the first try are Joe, Babark, Catte and now razza. I've listed them in the order they appeared in the OP.


It's obviously "Path of Exile". Some people who are wrong might claim it means "Pillars of Eternity".

HSL probably means it as "Process of Elimination".

I didn't mean to prod you this time. I prodded Ambiti0nZ. He just had a quote to you in the post I used to prod him. Probably the GOG forum for some reason gave you a ping for that too. I am aware that you were present at the same day of writing my message to AmbitionZ.

In that case I apologize.

Sort of yes but probly ultimately not much. I got challeged in that game (by what-turned-out-to-be-scum) about my reads not having enough conviction. I said what would you expect? They said a few things and one of them was 'ask if anyone disagrees' something like that and I was like :0 I was stunned. What a great idea!
It just seemed a really nice way to attempt to engage the players in what you're saying, rather than just spit thoughts out and hope someone picks up on them. Anyway I've been doing that a bit this game I think.

ALSO when the game first started I'd had my life revolve around mafia for three weeks and I was like "let's gooooooooo!!" and almost immediately found myself about to complain about activity and long deadlines I was like "What have you become??" so I decided to chill out a bit and start getting back to doing other things with my life and I think I might have swung the balance a bit too much the other way because I've basically put no work into this game whatsoever.

So that's my life story, hope you enjoyed.


oh I didn't think it's unlikely - but you asked if I was thinking of any particular player having that thought process and I just kinda think that might be a tempting play for any mafia in that situation. The old 'bury my head in the sand and hope this blows over.'

No but that was before the END of day. I was talking about from when I made the post about how no-lunch is a bad idea we're not at nana's house. Around then I was at work and only able to catch up at short moments and I basically I just had a few opportunities to check the game state, post to try and make lunch, then back to work.

Yes it was to do with the way he talked about AZ. I'm going to read it again.

ehhh reading it again I think it's probably fine. I was probably just getting the omgus.

Well I kinda find it hard to read razza because I know her from work and it's kinda weird mixing business with mafia. She's repeated that she wants to try harder, but I can't think of anything she's done, but then again it's difficult to know what to do. I think I'm happy with my town read on her which you will see in my next post.

I forgot the state of dedo versus cadaver was a thing. I'm just taking it on good faith that it really happened.

Ummm... what I was thinking?
Oh it was that I was like "I wanna yeet RW!" and then razza and babark went "we'll vote HypersomniacLive for no reason" so I was like "okay reckless abandon and et cetera, I vote HypersomniacLive" and then two people were like "No actually RW's a great idea for a yeet." I was like *narrows eyes* "are you trying to keep me away from HypersomniacLive?"

So my thought process can be summarised as "assuming the game revolves around me"


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also sorry to hear things are not great, Hyper - hope they get better soon.

ALSO my point was that thinking "this sounds like an argument with cadaver so town v. town" is flawed because cadaver argued with catte, and catte was one of the biggest scum


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so i basically have a reason for eliminating everybody I think (Eliminating as in eliminating them from the list of possible scum, not eliminating them via the vote system.)

HypersomniacLive - caught bucktooth, seems proud of it, pushing town to not be complacent.

Dessimu - I'd forgotten till someone remeinded me just now of Lord Cephy's 3 post case against Frostburn. I don't see scum doing that.

catte - the bucktooth fake role claim thing. I know he didn't actually say anything concrete, and it could have been role fishing or a gambit, but I think coming from scum it's too risky and not actually likely to give reward: the concept of safe false claims have already been talked about this game, and in general I'm basically the only one who tends to buy into these things.

RW - he was casing bucktooth earlier, and bucktooth was voting for him.

razza - the "I don't know if bucktooth was mafia". If it's false it's simple: razza didn't know if the reveal stated whether bucktooth was scum or not. If it's false it's much more complex - razza wants us to think she's just newbie town and she doesn't know what she's doing so she thinks pretending she doesn't know if bucktooth was mafia is a good way to do that. Perhaps she did read the post and think "did that actually make it clear?" Perhaps it got brought up in the scum chat and someone said "you know what, use that. You might convince Joe."

zfr - Good bucktooth vote. Something he did Day 1 I can't remember now. This recent feeling guilty about voting me.

AZ - There's a reason I think AZ's town toDay. Is it just his place on the bucktooth wagon? Ah yes HypersomniacLive pointed out how bucktooth was making cases against AZ and I was like yes he did do that there is the evidence I believe this.

dedo - he rocks up at the end of the day like "what's going on? are we voting someone?" everyone's like "we're voting bucktooth!" he's like "alright cool whatever" That sort of a vibe. I feel like scum have something more invested in wanting to be in control. Also I said "I liked dedo's vibe at the end of the Day" and he goes "woah what Joe's defending me does that mean Joe can't be mafia what's going on here??" Something like that I think a mafia could easily ignore to fit their narrative - I don't think it was really that significant.

babark - this guy is the only one in the game who hasn't done something to make himself look town. I dunno it's hard to believe that he's mafia.


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So there's my predicament. If I were you guys I'd be voting for me right now. Most probably I'm wrong about two of these reads. I guess the ones I wouldn't bet on are

Babark
Dedo
ZFR
RW
Dess

Dessimu does seem more chipper this game than I felt from him last game? Is it just that the avatar has changed from a serious looking face to a clownish looking face?

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what do you make of my occam's-razor-style-thinking of razza's Day 2 opener?


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I'm sorry, all, that I neglected the game most the weekend. I've finished Dark now though! *joe goes to play dnd*

ah yeah. I didn't elaborate on this, sorry.

I was just saying don't assume that whatever-we-were-talking-about-at-the-time (I'm guessing TSO zfr v cadaver?) is town v town. If I was to guess ANYTHING I'd guess it's Not Scum, but there are also reasons scum WOULD do it so NOTHING IS RELIABLE WHY DO WE PLAY THIS GAME?

but also ZFR and AZ are basically town so: No Longer Relevant.

No, I am a cat man. My handle isn't related to my real name, it's just a reference to this meme.
I'm glad you think I'm fun. As I'm not particularly good at the game it's nice to have a reason to exist.

It's very much a tone thing, but I can't put my finger on it and that's why I haven't pressed him. At this point it's only about as solid as "bragging rights".

Well I tend to assume ulterior motives for everything, so if someone says I seem town I tend to think they must be trying to buddy up to me and score reciprocal town cred.

Holy $^@!*^%!!! From the morning today, I was reading through D1 from beginning. I have not read it all, just around 200 posts. But I was making notes, quotes and all as I was going through. Then for a while I had to step away, due to work in the house. I guess too long for laptop to sleep, it turned off, everything is gone.
I am so demotivated right now, I would like to just take a nap and forget about it. Maybe I will, maybe I won't.
Thank you for letting me vent. Carry on.

^^ judging from past games i’ve played, the more days goes on the more tends to happen and people will eventually start to slip up and contradict themselves from past days. hmmm, in terms of a plan i’m just going to have to be more vocal and pay more attention to people’s words and ask questions.

AZ warned in this very thread that he has a large move IRL going on and won't be available a whole log. Didn't you see?


^^ yeah, i didn’t see. but thank you (and thank you ambition, i also just read your message) for clearing that up.

I'm starting to second-guess myself about Joe now. His most recent posts are a lot more like his "normal" self and feel genuine. Also apparently his game has evolved (is that the right word?) after his participation in the MU championship which might be what is throwing me off.

I also can't remember if Joe said something like this before as scum. I may have been wrong.


I feel for you, man. That really sucks. I hope you can throw something together to at least generally outline what you wanted to say as any fresh perspective is helpful.


Oh, you have played before? Did you ever mention that in this thread? If yes, can you point me to it, please?

I would never have guessed!

Sanspoof isn't evil! Sanspoof is beloved! Joe is slightly suspect but I can't really back up that feeling with anything. RW made me raise an eyebrow when he commented on what I said about bucktooth's claim.

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Town, mostly due to gut feeling. Can't place my finger on anything concrete though. Will vote if there is no better alternative.

No, not really. Some gut feeling.

My Joe-didn't-give-bragging-right-so-he-must-be-scum, were only semi serious, because in fact there were games where Town Joe didn't give bragging rights. catte took it a bit too seriously.

I was *extremely* sure Joe was scum in an SH game, to the point I got overconfident and cocky. If it turns out I'm falsely accusing Joe again, I'd be mega guilty.

Reading through D1, take #2. Making notes, quotes, mostly fluff here as I read. First take was much funnier, as I was determined.
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I like the chart thing :D
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Early on, but I don't think scum!Joe would point this out. He might, but just doesn't seem necessary. Seems legit.
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@ZFR: why "Microfish is a duck"? xDDD
P.S. I think I got it, #189. What a duck.
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Woah, can't imagine Days here ever being 8 hours long. However, I do find it hilarious, needing to catch up within first 50 posts already and assuming someone will pop out suspicious.
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Hahahahahaha Joe. Imagine if Razza and Joe are the last two remaining scum. Joe had a hand in removing Buck from the team and now Joe and Razza will reign hell on everybody together, Bonnie and Clyde style.
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What if next game, during D1, every post made by every player, is just "Vote Player X"? Nothing else, just voting. Not even unvoting. Every post is just a vote with absolutely no explanations, no jokes, no information. D1 is much shorter than usual, lasts maximum of 2 real life days. Day end when lynch is achieved, or time runs out with no-lynch. Then chaos reigns D2, everyone having to invent explanations and what not. I would love to see this in action.
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xD Who is the hole for?
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Woah. Within 64 posts, Cephy was first to vote now confirmed scum!Buck. As his sub, I take full credit for this action. I am sooo good! Did Cephy correctly guessed Joe to be scum too?
P.S. #86. Turns out, Cephy had no idea what he did.
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I like how RWarehall explains things (#65 in this case, but there are more throughout the game)
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I find it interesting how Joe got interested in this. If Cephy guessed both right, scum!Joe may be looking for clues as to how both scum!Joe and scum!Buck gave themselves away. Maybe I am overthinking.
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xDDD
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May I ask, why? General curiosity.
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Since Buck flipped the goon, safe to assume remaining scum have PRs?
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I wonder if Joe had influence in Cephy unvoting Buck. The way Joe was interested and Buck wasn't, sits weird with me.
@Lifthrasil: can I ask LordCephy this question via chat, or does that fall under the rule "No discussing game with no one, no where"?
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Noted
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Maybe I am overthinking again, but I do admire these innocent looking questions from Joe. Simple. I keep thinking "mafia gathering info".
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Stating the obvious, which can be fully found out end-game/post-game. But having Buck flipped as goon, I don't think ZFR had any hidden knowledge. Just honest Town pondering. Dedo thought he caught a slip. Seems like Town on Town.
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I give 1 small Town point to each.
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ZFRs personal alt bumper? Cool
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With so much activity, not much of an observation. I mean, Frost kinda earned himself a Town status. So, it's safe to say his lynch is unlikely to be achieved. That said, scum would most certainly back off, since Frost can be dealt with with a night kill. If scum!Catte made this comment, I would think ZFR is likely Town too. Sure, ZFR pushed Frost to claim (or rather, ZFR line of questioning became the reason). And this can be used against ZFR after Frost's flip. Catte may be paving a way for that here.
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@all. Since you, guys, were actually there, maybe you should look through the whole exchanges about mafia and PR numbers with or about Frost, starting from somewhere like #87. Maybe something will jump out to you, now that both Buck and Frost have flipped.
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Having never heard of Mafia or Werewolf game, I too thought that Forum Mafia is some sort of club. Figured, I want to join, because "This must be, where all the cool guys are hangin'" xD And I have to say, people here, during the game and outside of it, were very welcoming and helpful every step of the way. Amazing little community we have here. So, stay around. I am pretty sure you will like it and wanting to rip heads off will become norm as well.
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This alone doesn't really clear you. scum!ZFR would have to do some form of discussion/questioning in order to get clarification, slip, info or whatever. For scum to know which townies have roles is rather important and they can't always depend on Town to do job for them. Note, you also started a wagon on Frost without having full information and that had a chance to take off. Scum!ZFR would almost surely remove the vote from claimed Frost. Just as any townie would be reluctant to vote Frost now.
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Dun dun dunnn. Did ZFR really NK Frost?
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Seems like Frost took it hard making the slip. It wasn't really ZFR's fault though.
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Why not Catte? Razza? Yeah, yeah, I know, it was D1, how the hell can you remember... Just curious if Babark of all had any significant meaning to you.
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Interesting. Right after ZFR. Why not Babark or Razza too? Your own participation did not shine up to this point. Although, learning from last game - can't be too serious too quickly D1. Still. While all 4 (ZFR, Babark, Catte and Buck) are unlikely to be scum together, I am pondering... What if town!ZFR pushing NAI!Babark made scum!Catte realize that scumbuddy!Buck is about to get unwanted attention?
P.S. more so, interesting by Buck unvoting Catte #197 ever so easily.
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That ^ is 200 posts worth of material. More than half just reactions. But trust me, I am invested, just at my own pace.
From that, Babark seems indifferent. Razza easy pickings due to low activity. Catte reads, but posts like a flavor scanner, except the gentle prod of Buck. AmbitionZ, HSL, RWarehall seems Town. Dedo leans Town. Buck was a little out of his Town meta, or I am imagining things. No idea about ZFR and Joe leans scum.