Posted December 12, 2020
Microfish_1
I'm not a duck
Registered: Dec 2017
From United States
GymHenson
Dearest of all my friends
Registered: Apr 2020
From United States
Posted December 12, 2020
Thanks Micro
(though it wasn't needed as I went off to do things IRL...thanks anyways, though :))
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dedoporno: Before I had to step away I was feeling confident enough that we had a good shot with Joppo but now I'm pretty much certain he's scum. Even though I do appreciate the thought of closing the day "for my sake" I don't think that was the only reason behind it. The fact that Joppo made the executive decision to hammer at the first given opportunity (when Catte had already extended the day) without even discussing it with the rest doesn't hint at a Town mindset. I assume it wasn't all just scum agenda through and through and part of it was in fact meant to help me out a bit (and thank you for that, Joppo) but I seriously doubt it was the main reason. Good points.
As such, I am willing to place my vote now:
Vote Joppo
(though it wasn't needed as I went off to do things IRL...thanks anyways, though :))
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As such, I am willing to place my vote now:
Vote Joppo
Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted December 12, 2020
Again on mobile, so without quotes.
@ZFR: I think a Scum!Joe could very well engineer such a deflection to protect his buddy. Counting on WIFOM afterwards to say that he never would do so as scum.
Town!Joe, however, could have easily driven such a deflection out of the honest opinion that micro was slightly scummier than Joppo.
So the deflection is NAI for Joe for now, until we know joppo's alignment.
What is, however, excluded is scum!Joe and Town!Joppo. That wouldn't make sense.
But with micro's flip I am quite confident that Joppo is scum, who hammered because he was eager to survive another Day.
Vote Joppo
@ZFR: I think a Scum!Joe could very well engineer such a deflection to protect his buddy. Counting on WIFOM afterwards to say that he never would do so as scum.
Town!Joe, however, could have easily driven such a deflection out of the honest opinion that micro was slightly scummier than Joppo.
So the deflection is NAI for Joe for now, until we know joppo's alignment.
What is, however, excluded is scum!Joe and Town!Joppo. That wouldn't make sense.
But with micro's flip I am quite confident that Joppo is scum, who hammered because he was eager to survive another Day.
Vote Joppo
ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Posted December 13, 2020
Well, with everyone accounted for:
VOte joppo
I think Lift is his partner. Or nmillar.
VOte joppo
I think Lift is his partner. Or nmillar.
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
Posted December 13, 2020
What is the count here? I'd vote but I don't want to hammer and cut the day without having everyone speak their mind up.
Also, @ZFR, in case you don't make it, can you go again over what the NL strat should be?
Do we still do it (when and how many times) if Joppo flips scum? What if he doesn't?
Also, @ZFR, in case you don't make it, can you go again over what the NL strat should be?
Do we still do it (when and how many times) if Joppo flips scum? What if he doesn't?
ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Posted December 13, 2020
L-1 if I'm not mistaken.
NL when:
_Number of players is even
AND
_Parity can be guaranteed to be preserved. i.e. exactly 1 lynch + exactly 1 NK. i.e. no Docs, blocker, Vig, SK... etc.
In practice, even in the above situation sometimes it might be better to vote and get over with, even if NL is better. e.g. MYLO (even number of players), all vanilla + 1 strongly read Townie (or Innocent child). In theory, NL is better. In practice though, if you NL, the strongly-read Townie will be killed, and you'll pretty much be in same situation.
NL when:
_Number of players is even
AND
_Parity can be guaranteed to be preserved. i.e. exactly 1 lynch + exactly 1 NK. i.e. no Docs, blocker, Vig, SK... etc.
In practice, even in the above situation sometimes it might be better to vote and get over with, even if NL is better. e.g. MYLO (even number of players), all vanilla + 1 strongly read Townie (or Innocent child). In theory, NL is better. In practice though, if you NL, the strongly-read Townie will be killed, and you'll pretty much be in same situation.
ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Posted December 13, 2020
Total number of players only matter. Flips don't matter. Regardless of whom we vote and how they flip, we should do an NL once and once only because the total number of players is even, and always will be with 1 vote and 1 NK.
my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted December 13, 2020
Votecount the Eleven and a Halfth - "I should be in bed"
joppo 4 - pookina (#515), GymHenson (#527), Lifthrasil (#528), ZFR (#529)
Not voting 4 - JaiSpohpere, dedoporno, joppo, nmillar
With 8 players 5 votes are required for lunch.
joppo is closest to lunch at L-1.
joppo 4 - pookina (#515), GymHenson (#527), Lifthrasil (#528), ZFR (#529)
Not voting 4 - JaiSpohpere, dedoporno, joppo, nmillar
With 8 players 5 votes are required for lunch.
joppo is closest to lunch at L-1.
Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted December 13, 2020
Huh. Not much happened since yesterday. Joppo seems to be awol. We should wait for him before anyone hammers him.
That being said I think Joppo is a good enough scum candidate that lynching him is better than NL.
That being said I think Joppo is a good enough scum candidate that lynching him is better than NL.
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
GymHenson
Dearest of all my friends
Registered: Apr 2020
From United States
Posted December 13, 2020
Joppo already pled his case on how he is supposedly town quite a few times already, as well, so there's likely not much else he can say in his defense.
Not much else to do (if we're planning on going through with this lynch) now, other than to have someone hammer and see if we chose wisely or if we somehow chose poorly.
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
