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Lifthrasil: I missed an entire page. Mobile only loaded a cached version, it seems.
Oh, it's a doozy!
OK, I'm with ZFR on the NL thing here. The decision seems to be lynch either nmillar or me. If we no lynch, the decision tomorrow will still be nmillar or me. With just one of you others dead. Therefore I think it's better to lynch one of us now and the other tomorrow.
If nmillar is scum and you lynch me today and him tomorrow, we win.

And if one of you others is scum after all, they have basically won already. And deservedly so. Unless it's Pooka. Winning through absence wouldn't be deserved! ;-)
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Lifthrasil: OK, I'm with ZFR on the NL thing here. The decision seems to be lynch either nmillar or me. If we no lynch, the decision tomorrow will still be nmillar or me. With just one of you others dead. Therefore I think it's better to lynch one of us now and the other tomorrow.
If nmillar is scum and you lynch me today and him tomorrow, we win.

And if one of you others is scum after all, they have basically won already. And deservedly so. Unless it's Pooka. Winning through absence wouldn't be deserved! ;-)
Exactly. Unless Pooka's reread finds some hidden smoking gun or someone has a shower epiphany this is pretty much it.
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dedoporno: Sorry, you're knocking on the wrong door for this as I our playstyles differ way too much for me to rely on your point of view.
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GymHenson: Are you saying you don't trust the plan of ZFR? Because one NL for the game was ZFR's plan to begin with. :)
I'm one of the prime suspects, and even i can see the logic. Vote for Lift or myself both today and tomorrow, job done.
bump?
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dedoporno: Good point on not hammering nmillar. As for voting Joppo ZFR is the onle one I give credit.
Still, I DID push for Joppo's lynch hard.....would scum!me really want to go it alone as the sole scum? Especially given my penchant to get lynched easily and/or early in a good number of games?

(I know the above sounds lamist as heck.....so take it fwiw)

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dedoporno: I said I'm not trusting your view of the plan as you are stuck on statistics that no longer apply (as I read that as an invitation to trust your reasoning).
Why don't they apply? Didn't ZFR say one NL would help town no matter what "day" we do it on? Does that no longer apply?

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dedoporno: I already explained my view on NL in this situation and that I'm down to do it but am not counting on it a whole lot.
Well obviously we have to COMBINE that with other strategies like voting wisely and etc.

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dedoporno: I just realized it's not a good point as we aren't at MYLO. Quick-hammering doesn't win the game Today so people taking their time to seal a lynch isn't automatically AI (unless the lynchee is scum in which case it is AI but it doesn't matter).
It was more the fact that I (if scum) could've easily eliminated Nmillar...yet I didn't.

(again, take that all with a heaping helping of sodium)

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(Boomp Plz)
Replied to Lift and Nmillar:
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Lifthrasil: OK, I'm with ZFR on the NL thing here. The decision seems to be lynch either nmillar or me. If we no lynch, the decision tomorrow will still be nmillar or me. With just one of you others dead. Therefore I think it's better to lynch one of us now and the other tomorrow.
If nmillar is scum and you lynch me today and him tomorrow, we win.
What if somehow you're both town?

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Lifthrasil: And if one of you others is scum after all, they have basically won already. And deservedly so. Unless it's Pooka. Winning through absence wouldn't be deserved! ;-)
No scum will win on my watch guvnah....that's crazy talk, that is. :)

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@Nmillar: Same question as to Lift above....what if yer both town?
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GymHenson: Still, I DID push for Joppo's lynch hard.....would scum!me really want to go it alone as the sole scum? Especially given my penchant to get lynched easily and/or early in a good number of games?
The first time you even mentioned being interested in Joppo was #361 and that was well after ZFR and I called him out on his slip so not really watertight. But I repeat that I think it's not you for other reasons.

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GymHenson: Why don't they apply? Didn't ZFR say one NL would help town no matter what "day" we do it on? Does that no longer apply?
Because the statistics only matter when there is no information and each wagon is equally likely (or to say it more clear - when we are shooting randomly). ZFR has explained it a bazillion times, including just a couple of posts ago. The only potentially useful thing we can get out of a NL now is to see who the victim is and try to base the wagon on that. Which is unreliable as nmillar and Lift are surely not going to be it, so they won't be removed from suspicion and the kill may be done to throw blame on another one based on what was said earlier during the day.

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GymHenson: Well obviously we have to COMBINE that with other strategies like voting wisely and etc.
Obviously.

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GymHenson: It was more the fact that I (if scum) could've easily eliminated Nmillar...yet I didn't.
I understood that but that doesn't help you win right away. Also, it would look bad for you if you just say "fuck it" and hammer him after you've been nagging for NL the whole day. If we were at MYLO and you didn't hammer him then you'd be clear right then and there.


To be honest I'd down to NL just to get this out of the way as this discussion has started to go in circles and it's becoming tedious.

But not before we hear from Pooka.
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GymHenson: What if somehow you're both town?
We lose. How does NL help? And dont tell me because pool will get amaller; we're still voring nmillar, Lift after NL.

With NL:
We win if Lift or nmillar is scum, lose otherwise.

With NL:
We win if Lift or nmillar is scum, lose otherwise.

The only way NL helps us is if nmillar or Lift gets NKed and that's not happening.
(@Op: No votes in this post, but there is a query near the bottom for ya)
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dedoporno: The first time you even mentioned being interested in Joppo was #361 and that was well after ZFR and I called him out on his slip so not really watertight. But I repeat that I think it's not you for other reasons.
Total honesty and full disclosure: me mentioning such is about 50/50 on proving myself town and also me pointing out that I was right about Joppo(and seem to be doing somewhat better at guessing who is scum).

(It gave me a slight confidence boost, mafia game wise, truth be told)


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dedoporno: Obviously.
What....no snape meme? :)

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dedoporno: To be honest I'd down to NL just to get this out of the way as this discussion has started to go in circles and it's becoming tedious.
Seeing as how others seem to be dead set on a lynch for today(d4), we might have to wait it out regardless.

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dedoporno: But not before we hear from Pooka.
I also would like to hear from Pooka......also:

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@OP: Is it time for a prod on our dear Pooka Yet?

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(Also Boomp Plz)
Votecount the Fifteenth - "No bread! ;.;"

nmillar 1 - Lifthrasil (#649)

Lifthrasil 2 - ZFR (#657), nmillar (#664)

No lunch 1 - GymHenson (#632)

Not voting 2 - pookina, dedoporno

With 6 players 4 votes are required for lunch.

Lifthrasil is closest to lunch at L-2.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by my name is sadde catte
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ZFR: We lose. How does NL help? And dont tell me because pool will get amaller; we're still voring nmillar, Lift after NL.
We're doing WHAT with Nmillar?!? o.0

Tsk tsk tsk...I thought this was a G rated game. ;)

Jokes aside, I am ok with lynching either of them on D5.

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ZFR: The only way NL helps us is if nmillar or Lift gets NKed and that's not happening.
So you have a crystal ball and can predict the future then? If so, please tell me when my packages for the holidays will arrive....it'd be most appreciated.
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Pookina: ...
Your last post is now showing as at least 2 days ago, so this is your official prod.
Fok, the prod is actually the least worrisome of all things (for me at least). Sorry for making the whole lot of you wait.

As for who to lynch of nmiliar and Lift? I don't mind either. I lean towards Lift more, but seeing as most of you are convinced that nm is it thanks to his interactions with Joe, I don't mind him seeing the door either. The thing I'm more concerned about is if the scum is hidden amongst one of dedo, ZFR and GH, as that remains a possibility and at our current momentum, if we burn through Lift and nm and they don't flip scum? That would be an easy win for scum.

But so far I haven't found anything implicating anyone of that group, certainly not as much as nm's case with Joe. I'll try to look here from time-to-time today.
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Pookina: The thing I'm more concerned about is if the scum is hidden amongst one of dedo, ZFR and GH, as that remains a possibility and at our current momentum, if we burn through Lift and nm and they don't flip scum? That would be an easy win for scum.
I don't know how everyone else feels but for me ZFR and GH are simply off-limits. Unless one of them comes clean right now I don't see what can happen that can make me vote either of them before nmillar or Lift. ZFR is the next best thing after a fully confirmed Town there could be in the game. GH behaves like his normal self and I've only seen him as Town in each and every game I've played with him and this game is no different. In the off-chance it's one of them they can have it and I'll be glad about it as they did better than every single one of us. Especially if it's GH as that would be the epitome of having the EXACT same game as Town and scum.

Going by the same logic it can also be you but pretty much everything seems to be pointing against it so I won't do that either.

That's my view on things - I have two heavy suspicions and three hard Town leans. There is only one course of action to me at this junction.

PPE: If we NL and one of nmillar/Lift dies and we lynch the other and they are Town then I'm voting you, Pooka. But we both know neither nmillar, nor Lift will get NKed, don't we?