Don't be like that. It was nice to agree with most of you said and stay safely hidden in your shadow.

I see. It's interesting how much Micro misremembred it.

I don't think I would be OK with it as it would be bordering on cryptoclaiming, IMO. I am not fan of extensive crumbing either, mainly beacuse as dedo I am hopeless at it and it makes me feel like I am at disadvantage but it is not something mafia should be about.


I really am not fan of it and possibly would be against it even if I was town but without us being able to co-ordiante I was concerned what it may show so I was double against it. :-)

It was damn ballsy claim and be glad there wasn't time for people to question it or you could end up lynched.
I got lynched for similar claim in that game you claim not to remember we played together. :-)


When I was trying to pick my NK it was nerve-wrecikng. If I was SK or vig I would have only responsibility to myself but having to decide for whole mafia team was tearing me apart and I it is thing I spent most time on in this game because I felt like I will be judged and possibly criticized.

Then next Night when you picked your target I was tearing my hairs out. "Why? Gogtrial is so gloriously worng and pushing the game forward, he can't kill him! We doesn't he pick someone like dedo?"
So I was doing the same thing I was afraid will happen to me.
Needless to say when he flipped watcher I substantially softened my opinion. When I now know he would have result on LIft, you are fully absolved. :-)
Sorry for doubting you.


Why, Lift?
Why not kill dedo?


I cried when I wrote it as it was decision made with love.

So in the observer thread at least I was right about Lift being scum. Anyway, I played poorly.

Good game scum. See you next time.

I'm not sure that makes me feel that much better! Did you work it out on D2 or only on D3 after people piled on me?
So close! I guess Lift wasn't onto me until I actually claimed.

Bah, I said we should no lunch! I was still hoping to get ded.

I knew what you were trying but then, I knew you are vanilla. :-)

I was quite certain Lift will kill dedo so I was this time for no-lynch too because without him it would be easier to get mislynch.
But I oculdn't say anything as it would be suspicious if I of all people was suddenly for NL.

Yeah, I'm curious as to why Lift had me pegged for death if you all knew I was vanilla by then? Paranoia that I had some kind of modifier that masked me? It's a pity there's no scum chat to read, I'll have to wait and see what Lift says he was thinking.

Well, another day and someone might have poked holes in Micro's claim!

oh neapolitan because it is an ice cream flavour.

I had it linked with princess bride's 'the sicilian' in my mind.

D3. When you said that you don't have good knowledge right now but you may be useful Tomorrow I knew :) I actually softly did the same at the end of D1 when I left Lift alone as no one wanted to listen to me. I said something along the lines of "Never mind, it should be a lot clearer Tomorrow" or some such. I wanted to plant the idea that I can actually verify my own read and make Lift and his buddies kill me which would have protected the real PRs, drawn attention to Lift and most importantly - I would have given my life for my sun and moon :P

Yes, about Houses...

The even distribution was entirely coincidental. Houses were selected "randomishly" i.e. there were some restrictions: I wanted there to be at least one person from each House, and one or two was chosen because of flavour (like phaolo's character who had to be in Gryffindor). I wasn't too thrilled about the fact that they ended up evenly distributed, but I let it be because random is random.

With the exception of Manuel Alce (which was the only name chosen specifically for a flavour) names were rolled. As for the names selection: I picked a few names myself [like Alce, Feynman, Rowling (no relation)...] and the rest were picked by mix-matching first and last names from an English 6th tier football league, with some female names thrown in.

Now, regarding fluff. Fluff is anything insignificant that I add for the sake of flavour, mostly in form of posts and PM that I send to players. I often make it up on the spot, I don't bother for it to make sense and it's something that if for some reason I have no time/will to write, I can simply skip. I don't even bother with continuity: one moment you could be flying, the next you could be walking and I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I've written in the firs game I hosted that if I needed lightning from heaven for something to happen then lightning from heaven will simply come. If I needed Batman and Ironman to kill gogtrial on Night 2, then Batman and Superman would have killed him. It's fluff.
Now at times I might accidentally, subconsciously or coincidentally put important stuff into fluff, but I make up for it by purposely adding fake stuff. Like writing that Micro didn't need to cast a spell on gogtrial.

Names and Houses were "solid". They were fixed. They were part of the set-up. They had proper continuity. If you were Larry Gardener from Griffindor then you were Larry Gardener from Griffindor. It wasn't fluff.
But other than being a variation of a Named Townie, they weren't in any way significant.
I added them because I remember it was fun/challenging for me and Joe to choose fitting Disney characters back in trent's game. And, with any chat missing, it did add a level of difficulty for Mafia this game making claims tougher (since they can't corrdinate fake claimes). And wouldn't it have been fun if a Mafia player claimed Ron Weasly on D1 or breadcrumbed Crabbe Slytherin before realising names weren't taken from the books?

Anyway, while fluff is definitely not significant, the reverse is not true; non-fluff can be "insignificant". It can be simply a red herring. Like a Godfather without a Cop. And, though technically being "insignificant" it can influence playing style, like a Godfather in a Copless game playing boldly to draw an investigation.
And that's why I wrote in post 534 in answer to whether Houses were fullf or not:

They weren't relevant.

I did the same thing talking to GH at the end of D2 when he asked if I would join him on the nmillar wagon on D3.
I was thinking of mandolins...

One does get better at the game with some experience.
Reportedly.
I mean, I'm expecting my reads to start being correct aaaaaany day now!

(But fair enough; this isn't for everyone. If you will someday feel like trying to play some more, know that you'll be very welcome.)

Bwoah, I can't imagine playing with something like that hanging over your head. I'm very glad to hear that you got good news, there!

Depends on the mod, the setting, etc. I think you can always ask the mod if your name is alignment-indicative. If it isn't, I'd stay as close to the truth as possible.

I'm curious: did you really not remember us playing together so often, or was that a lie as a part of your rationale for suspecting me?

I'm kinda sad I told ZFR about it in chat, otherwise I could have kept this hidden, and wouldn't have needed to think up a new scheme for the next time I draw a PR that I feel is worth crumbing.

I couldn't respond in observer chat, as I had the non-public information about Lift. So, him (with about 80% certainty, though I was considering a small possibility of him being a doctor, which was only dispelled later on). iirc, I had Vitek and dedo as town-core at that point, with catte being town due to Lift being scum, leaving the other two scum between you, phaolo, GH and nmillar.

*grumble, grumble* :)
How deliberate was that?

I was counting on this, and Lift presented clear argumentation about you doing so as well, but the beauty of it is that while your house assignments would be random, scum's house claims wouldn't be, and they'd have to fight really hard in order to overcome the inclination to 'spread out' between them. @Vitek: This is also why I felt it was fair game.
(This reminds me about a fraud detection mechanism I once read about which is apparently used in accounting. When people "cook the books", they make up evenly distributed numbers, because that's what they think would appear - but in real financial figures, the distribution is very uneven, containing far more "0"s and "1"s than any other number. So all you need to do to to detect completely fake accounts is simply count how often each number appears, and if it's evenly distributed, you know there's something fishy going on.)

It warmed my heart to see you all doing it. After hosting 4 games you know me so well.
This was nmillar's first game hosted by me.
...

Do you get this too that you read/hear/watch about something in particular and only a day or two later someone talks about the smae thing?

I literally came across this yesterday when checking a few things about Benford's Law. Literally. Yesterday.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law#Accounting_fraud_detection

But yes, people often have trouble giving fake random results because of their tendency to "even out" things which should be randomly distributed.

Ask someone to give you fake random 20 heads/tails results and usually you will get H/T appearing no more than 12 times, and almost never five consecutive heads or tails. In real random simulations you will get 13+ heads or tails and HHHHH/TTTTT far more often than you'd expect.

Oh, I just remember something else I meant to comment on:

Yeah, you were going into fluff territory there...

Yup.

Micro did an amazing game as scum, though in the end I think this was a slip. I know when someone prepares a convincing fake-breadcrum one wants to show it, but at this point it was best to claim Vanilla.
Had this Day ended in NL, your claim would have come under scrutiny toMorrow.

When gogtrial said he'll be Watching catte, I kind of hoped you'd be NKing him. I thought it likely seeing how you caught his "breadcruming" so I thought you expected him to have a PR. It would have been the first time ever I saw a Watcher successfully catch scum killer. Even had a meme prepared.

Actually I knew that you were vanilla. I read you N2. All my suspecting you as either PR or scum was just for show.

And my killing you was just to do you a favour, since you wanted it. Also because we just needed to kill anyone and I didn't want to risk targeting someone like a Commuter or something.

Good game! :-)

@dedo: congrats for figuring me out!

@ZFR: thank you for running the game. I liked the rotating roles. But not the absence of a chat. That made scumming more difficult.

I don't actually experience this phenomenon very often, but did once read an explanation about it. ^_^

Also, I forgot the bit about the leading digit being the significant one, though that makes all kinds of sense.

I'd like to think that with chat, you'd have convinced micro to let me live, and we might've had a fighting chance, though!

No-chat is also just such a very ZFR thing to do, after all the talk about how he helped make day-chat much more common. (Oh, and belated: I had to groan so hard when I read the setup and realized his clues in observer chat.)
I'm going to have fun figuring out his intentions for his next game. :D

Yeah, I was desperate to try and find anything that would be recognisable by anyone else. I was even looking for patterns in names at one point, hence noticing that Vitek's was different.