And me playing in such a stupid way as scum is easier to believe? I understand, that an accidental hammer is something to scrutinize and yes, it was stupid not to refresh. But I don't see why I would do such an accidental hammer intentionally as scum. Or why I would be more likely to make such an error as scum. Stupid is stupid, independent of alignment.


So either he isn't Town, or the people abandoning the wagon weren't scum. Or both. Was that your take on this observation?

"there should be no reason for scum to hop off" does not equal "the people abandoning the wagon weren't scum". They could be scum hopping off for non-obvious reasons.

But yes. If nmillar is scum, then there's a strong connection to look at, and a decent chance to successfully identify a second scum. If he isn't, there's still some pings there with things that felt off, but I don't have any working hypothesis for why that could then be, so they're probably (like most things) nothing.

OK. I see.

Hey guys, I got back a day early but can't really participate right now as both of my boys are got ill (some autumn virus, not covid, thankfully). I travelling from where I was to my wife's parents to pick them up in the middle of the night to take the to the doctor's office. I can't participate right now and if things don't improve tomorrow I'll likely ask for a replacement. I'm sorry I'm holding the game back.

Don't worry. Health comes first. All the best for your boys!

Don't worry, health is more important than this game, and you haven't been holding the game back; it just kinda hasn't started on D2.

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Observing things, trying to do the thing i'm not-so-great-at, which is jumping inside other people's heads to analyze them.

Good point. GH's logic seems off here, though idk that yours is any better overall.

Gogtrial never answered my question from D1: why did he drop Joe and move to trent?
At the time I was unsure Joe's alignment. I have no idea why he was eliminated, as he seemed an easy D2 target.

Sadly, no. Idk why Joe was eliminated, he seemed likely to be scum, which is why I was voting him.

I don't see anything atm that couldn't be TvT or conversely SvS in anything said thus far. Trying to find relationships or lack thereof between players is straining my brain.

Catte is interesting to me, but it's just a gut feeling atm plus some things i'm watching for developments.
Phaolo's D1 protection has evaporated.
I do hope nmillar has a nice time in Wales.

@gogtrial--your 467 has a couple of possibilities for nmillar (as scum and as town). Which way do you think he leans?

You LAMIST! You WIFOM! /s /jk :-D
(sorry, I couldn't resist as no-one else had said it yet.)

I gotta run atm, hope to think more and come up with something during the day

Who said it'd be stupid if you were scum?

Since i've seen "accidental" hammers that turned out to be scum in prior games, imo it could be an easy mislynch ploy for a possible scum!Lift.

That said, and since no one wants to be the first one to vote(like we're all wall flowers at the school dance) I will do the "honors":

Votus Pokus Lift

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(If anyone wants a reason, it's mainly because someone has to get something going or we'll all sit here twiddling our thumbs, and I was getting bored waiting for someone to make the first move.

If that's not good enough, note that I have some suspicions based on Lift's hammer on D1.

If anyone wants to suspect me for any of this, then by all means: Vote for me if you feel like it)

Vote Count

Lift 1 - GH

Not voting - catte, Lift, phaolo, nmillar, Micro, dedo, gogtrial, Vitek, blotunga

Lift is closest at L-5

10 players. Takes 6 to lynch.

No. It was more of nod. Like yeah, sure so what.
But I would say ttalking with dedo about this reactions amounts to reaction.

Not that it is good excuse but it is because I did jack-shit so far Today and this is no exception. I am fairly exhausted in past few days and I am feeling in a bit of slump.
With it, as the argument between them came to halt, so did my attention toward it.
I still feel like Lift's question was very off and that he then tried to paint it as it never happened and it is possibly the most suspicious thing in my eyes considering trent flipped town (not that it is related, only his actions are not scummy anymore) but I have also very hard time reading LIft because I never mesh with his aggressivity and always find him scummy so I am not that sure about my reads regarding him unless he outright lies (Pokémon game). I got also thrown off by dedo's rudeness in his argument and I started to doubt it all, but then why should I doubt myself because of him but then what if all of it was built on wrong premise and gah, I don't know.

Disappointing.

I was not absolving Lift, I was just noting it is a tad bit hypocritical to call him out when you had your share of blame in it as well.

This is actually good observation.

So where do you stand on him now?
Did you have him as scum leaning and now you are onto him or were you simply not paying attention to him and now you are?

Mostly tone and OMGUS. He didn't find me scummy for once. :-) He started out in his usual jokey tone, but in his last post before disappearing due to RL he analyzed gogtrial and seemed sincere about it. So, at least to my feeling, he abandoned his shenanigans earlier than usual and started to analyze even though D1 wasn't even half done yet. Usually he stays joke-y longer. Which I know is his style but still I wonder everytime if it's not scum!Joe using his style to get a free pass. But not this time.

I did. It would be very stupid. If you assume that the hammer was intentional, you automatically assume that I knew that trent was at L-1. Knowing that, this close to a deadline with zero chance of another wagon forming before the deadline, any scum worth his salt would wait. Or pretend not to be there. Trent was a goner anyhow so all scum had to do was wait for Town to hammer (which I did) - and even if none of us would have hammered, it would have ended in a no-lynch and Scum would have rejoiced even more. So, if I were Scum, hammering in such an unnecessary way, thereby drawing attention, would be very stupid indeed.

That does not make me Town, however. Since scum!me could make the same mistake I did: not refreshing before hitting send. That happens easily on mobile. So no, this 'this would be stupid as scum' does not make me Town. However, that you choose to see it as scummy instead of stupid is interesting. But it is not atypical of you.

So:
Nah. You're wrong. But that doesn't make you scum.

I'll rather return to my first serious vote from D1. Nothing happened so far to make nmillar look more towny. On the contrary. There is a difference between mourning and surprise. So nmillar's 'defense' of dedo doesn't make a sense to me, even with the added explanation.

I know that nmillar is in vacation. But still, that shouldn't imply an immunity to votes. So, to give a little boost to the zipline tomorrow:

acceleratus nmillar

EBWOP: the last quote was from GH, not Vitek. I somehow messed up the quoting.

It's the second time that he mentioned that he allowed me to live only in D1..
Feels a bit ominous

The forum is messing quotes a lot, lately

100% agree that I should not be given a pass, just because I'm on vacation, and welcome you putting your money where your mouth is.

On to the accusations. GymHenson feels different in this game, and there's a fair few of his posts that seem really off. It may be that he's tunneling, but he's pinging my radar.

Vote GymHenson

As I'm not around much, I may as well let everyone in to what I was alluding to on D1.

I believe dedo is town. There's no reason why he would admit to being Slitherin otherwise, and yes, Joe was correct that this is what I was getting at, as I am also Slytherin. I know I'm town, so this makes dedo town for me too.

It's also interesting to see who voted after Trent claimed, as I think the scum in this game are from outside Hogwarts?

Based on current knowledge, there are likely 2 from each house, which does leave four that wouldn't belong. So there's either a house with an extra member gaining an unfair advantage, or there's something else going on ...

Blah, blah, third party, etc.

Fair enough, but note that I voted first and at least made sure to refresh a bit before voting to make sure I didn't hammer.

(Of course me saying all this should be taken fwiw, as I am not proven town)

I'm trying to do things a bit different each game, maybe improve a tiny bit in some ways if I can(and remember to). Part of that is trying to spot things here and there that stand out.

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Trent being a goner wasn't so foregone a conclusion.....we had around 10 hours or so left to reach majority, so it's possible the day could've ended in nolynch had you not hammered and everyove had listened to my plea to give Trent time to reply.

That said, you're saying scum would've been happy with 1 town dead(NK) instead of two as it is now(mislynch and NK).....really? In what world does that make a lick of sense?

Or scum!you could've done it on purpose as part of a gambit, hoping players would just shrug it off and move on. That is also possible.

You're good enough a player that, to me, this is a possibility.

We shall see.

I find it also interesting you vote for one of my other suspects.

Could be town!Lift scum hunting, or scum!lift distancing from fellow scum. Hmm.....

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