In a game where scum supposedly have at least Roleblocker and have always-on chat.

I remember games with full cop + full doctor so I don't see what the big deal about that is. I can't remember if there were one of the other investigators you mentioned though.

This is true but the claim itself seems too risky to me. Why claim exactly Cop and not something else that is less likely to get counter-claimed? Like the Doctor for example? That could draw another very powerful role if there is CC and if their isn't the chances of getting found disproved or lose credibility afterwards are a lot lower. Or any other "useful" but less likely role. Were the scum that sure that Carradice was going to bite it so they basically threw them under the bus hoping they will weasel out the real cop and hoping for there is no CC? Maybe you are right and that's what happened but to me this is the scenario that requires more assumption to be made therefore is less likely.

Worst case we'll be losing yet another Townie and we'll be at MYLO tomorrow and the potential Tracker/Watcher would have been potentially blocked during the night as the potential block would have been free to use on whomever.

With a Tracker/Watcher? And a Commuter? In a 10 vs 3 game?

No.

Either we don't have a tracker/watcher (in which case SPF's role is a red herring). Or we're facing two 2x anti-Town factions (I suppose possible given Pooka's mention of them).

Or Carradice faked his claim.

@Yog, can you dig up that one game of yours for me? The one where we had a Cop, a Doctor and a Tracker, please? I was the tracker, Flub was the Cop, Dessimu or Hunter was the Doctor. Trent, Cristi (I think) and one other were the scums. Thanks!

I can’t remember what game it was but not to long ago I was a Cop and had to claim on Day 2 I think (possibly Day 1) and expected to be NK’d, but I got roleblocked every night and was rendered useless and scum won the game.

I agree with ZFR though on this one, I lean more toward Carradice faked the claim yesterday. Have you gone back and done an ISO on Carradice? If you have not and have the time to do so can you do an ISO and tell me what you think?

From these two arguments only the latter supports the lynch.

I haven't yet. I'll try to do actual backtracking tonight after I finish assembling my boy's bike (first one ever and an early present for his birthday in a few days so it's kind of a big deal at home). I only read Today's stuff yesterday and then things happened and I didn't feel like continuing. I'm going solely off memory and first pass-through right now.

Anyway, Trent, I mentioned earlier something about you made me feel uneasy and it's exactly this - I don't remember you being so ready to lynch someone before just because they were exposed and therefore rendered useless. Town Trent I know would never ever lynch someone they believe it's Town. In case you don't believe the claim at all why even bring up the supposed uselessness of the role at all?

Joe's Pokemon game. You claimed on D2 because you investigated mchack to be scum on N1.

Everything in the signature thread suggested a rather crazy, funny, over-the-top setting with the scent of 16-bit JRPG and hints of the Arabian Nights and the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland. All with a pleasantly non-north-European placement: a fantasy ucronic Egipt in the future.

So anything can happen.

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I might enter the discussion on roles, but why giving away free information or hints? Suffice to say that some assumptions are unfounded.

Also consider the what-ifs... What if the doc had not left the game? What if the player responsible for the cop checks not working was imprisoned?

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IMPRISONMENT

Soft is "eliminate"

but bland, common as well:

Use flavour's word.


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It's nice that Lift can be more active these days. I also like that at least he is keeping a broad perspective, instead of taking cover on the same thing. Which might be too convenient™. Earns townie points for now (let us see the rest of the week).

That is awesome for your son, a first bike is a huge deal! They grow up so fast, you have to treasure these moments.

I only mentioned me being Roleblocked every night when I was a Cop because you wondering why so many people thought Carradice could be blocked every night if they were a Cop in post 776.

You are 100% correct, if I believe someone is Town I will not lynch them. That’s why I asked if you had gone back and done an ISO of Carradice because after I did over the weekend I got an overly defensive vibe from him and am leaning toward he faked the claim to save himself.

I forgot to vote earlier

Vote Carradice

No. As dedo pointed out, worst case we would be lynching another Townie. When we already lost one to a modkill today. I would like to avoid lynching a Townie, so I say we leave Carradice alive for another Day. If he really is Cop, he will draw the NK or at least keep the supposed roleblocker busy. While we try to hit scum today.

Which leads me to the question: what makes you Town-read yogs enough to prefer to vote for a claimed and not counter-claimed Cop, rather than vote for Yogs? I think he showed that he wasn't really trying to find scum with the vote I quoted. Which makes himself scummy. Do you disagree? Why?

About the role speculation: Cop, Doc and Tracker is entirely possible. Especially if scum have PRs too. If the cop is real, they have a role blocker. A compulsive visitor is rather a negative utility role. Or at least can be, depending on the other roles in the game. So, without knowing scum's PR setup, you can't say that cop, doc and tracker would be OP. Do you know what PRs scum have?

Might it be that you don't want to vote yogs and rather vote the claimed cop, because yogs happens to be your scumbuddy?


Similar question to @trent: usually you are against putting too much emphasis on mechanics speculation and role discussions. So, are you really willing to vote for Carradice based on role- mechanics- speculations? Yes, his 'no PM reading' was really bad play and he reacted with OMGUS to pressure. But is that enough to lynch him today? Over someone who actually acted scummy? Maybe the scum team is yogs+zfr+you after all.

If not, what do you think of yogs and who, apart from carradice, would be your preferred target today?

Except for... well exceptional cases, any lynch carries the risk of lynching another Townie. No matter whom you choose to lynch one could say "worst case we're lynching a Townie."


Huh? I didn't say I Town-read him, quite the opposite. But I'd rather get rid of the potential distraction first.

I have a question for you: would you rather deal with Carradice toMorrow when we're at MYLO? Why?

Carradice on the benefits to making risky claims.

...just sprang to mind.

^ the relevant section. He's talking about character names obviously, but I think it's easy to transpose the logic onto role names

Do you believe he is mafia or is your reason yet again to get rid of distraction?


Do you have the feeling like trent is voting Craradice on basis of mechanics speculations?

Wow, OK. Now that is a serious precedent. Although I still believe I'm right about everything I said earlier in general this bit puts things in a different perspective for this particular case. @Joe, what are your thoughts on the matter?

I am not voting Carradice because of role mechanics, I am voting him because after I did my ISO over the weekend I felt he was overly defensive even after his claim. He kept trying to shift the attention off of himself, even after the claim.

I can tell yogs is not fully invested in the game, he seems very distracted. The only reason I haven’t jumped on yogs is because he’s not the super charming best friend guy that always fools me when he’s scum. I find him to be a busy in real life Town yogs trying to help when he can be on.

If Carradice was off the table I would probably vote for you, Vitek, or Microfish. I still have dedo and Joe in my Town core and FlocksSchnee I have as leaning Town.

EBWOP, I also meant to say ZFR I have leaning Town as well.