hey, you brought in on yourself. saying with your sad face ( -> screenshot:" :( " <-), that you had thought you were nearly lock town for me. I had to explain why.

I lynched him because he was lying with his claim. The other stuff was just cherry on top but not needed anymore.
Also lynching someone is not self-resolving. it's lynching. it's exactly the opposite of self-resolve.

that's where you got your town points from. Don't spend them all at once.

not from me :) that's also one of your better points that you did in fact at least hammer your buddy.

(anyway, I'm feeling much better now. It just wasn't as fun a game of mafia, having bookwyrm down as town. it doesn't come naturally :P*)

[(*disclaimer: I hope I'm not misunderstood: those jabs I often make are just ingame fun and poking, I don't ever mean the real bookwyrm who is of course awesome!)]

I prefer Sunday over Monday.

Do the both of you have any thoughts about the HSL vs SPF back and forth?

Just to confirm this explicitly: You were behind with reading, were going through the posts sequentially, not scanning ahead at all (other than for confirming L-1), and then you voted based on incomplete / outdated information?

Ok, I can see how it could come over like that, yeah. A large part of that post was me explicitly strengthening my case for lynching scene, as I was feeling pretty good about having found actual scum (and I was correct for once!)

If I recall correctly, mchack's post wasn't yet there when I opened the new reply window and took some time to add the final paragraphs, but I wouldn't be able to swear on it.

After SPF has responded to this, I'd be interested to hear who you were thinking of when you asked the question.

Was this a quote editing failure, or did you intend to respond something to that bit of my #542?

Given scene's other behaviour, do you feel that can be sufficiently relied upon?

Although I agree with you that there's a lot to like in Vitek's post, I dislike that post of yours - like a lot!

Multiple people have been directing questions your way for a Day and a half now, and you're once again blithely ignoring them all. Could you please start treating this as a team game, where you're giving your fellow players something solid to work with?

I'm having to stop myself from giving mchack town points for your vote on him, as I actually agree that the way he jumped onto the scene wagon is a possible scum sign. (You know who also got my attention for that? You!)

I mentioned that bit in my #542 as "fails to give a ringing endorsement to Vitek". That is, I didn't read it as breadcrumbing; my expectation was that he'd have been more positive if he'd 'town-cleared' (modulo godfather / investigation immune SK) Vitek.

He.

I disagree quite a bit (we need to play to win the war, which we do by drawing connections for which every bit of input helps - lynching as swiftly as possible just allows us to win a single fight, but deprives us of information), but all the same I can't see this answer as AI.

Three out of five possible scenarios for scum disposition include one, but they're the lower probability scenarios, so probably a bit less than 50% chance-ish? Maybe someone with statistics knowledge can explain actual probabilities, though I figure we should just operate on the worst case scenario.

Feel free to try and frame me as scum. That's expected and normal. But please try to use better arguments than "You just want the mod to do the work!" That argument is so ridiculous that it is mildly insulting. :O

His lies are how he self-resolved. We killed him with the lynch, but he self-resolved (revealed his alignment without room for doubt) before we lynched him.

I'm in full agreement. If I drew Innocent Child, it would feel so weird. I'm honestly not sure what I'd do with myself, being unable to hint at a PR or lick the misdirection suicide pill.

All in fun and games is all in fun and games! :)

Forgive me Father for I have sinned.
I am actually Town Godfather. Town that investigates as town.
It's a terrible curse indeed but so far I have managed.


Nah, what I was saying was that even if we could figure out someone who was investigated as town, me included, we can't take them for confirmed as GF is here even more probable than it is usually.

I am off to lynch myself to bed now.
See ya.

Not quite. You can follow what I did by reading my 'status reporting' in my posts. Whether you believe those status reports are true is, of course, up to you.

First, I was late to Day 2.

I got to Post 420 in my catch up and had to stop for awhile.

I had a reply notification (from Trent), so I responded to it to try not to hold other people up too much. Some other people apparently also quoted me, but I didn't see them at the time because I didn't get a notification pointing to their posts.

After replying to Trent, I resumed my catch up. Lift's 424 points out a contradiction in Scene's posts, so I ISO Scene to confirm it. I'm scanning quickly through the ISO and I spot a bit where SPF points out that Scene survived a double post. The direct and obvious lies were enough for me to be fine hammering regardless of whatever else had happened, so I checked his wagon length and hammered because it was long enough.

Dang it.

No vote? Bad dreams for you!!

^This ^ fucked ^ up ^ post ^ bugs ^ me ^ too ^ much.

He even made sure to draw himself a bigger penis.

Lulz

It stands to reason if you look at how the example pm is copy pasted that every other PM is, too. pretty much at least.
The reason I haven't voted him on D1 is I didn't find him scummy before the claim. And after the claim I only had a few minutes to skim because I was at work and took the pm claim at face value without comparing it to my own, the example pm nor the c9++ document. But I did compare at night while catching up on all I missed during work and formed my opinion of the claim being completely and obviously false and voted accordingly right at the start of day.

Voting someone on grounds of pm, is not inherently scummy I think. It might be game breaking sometimes, but not in this case since all the info used is available to everyone at game start, so nothing he didn't know about when claiming.
If he had just claimed "Town Doctor" without the rest of the pm (that he even claimed to have copy pasted) or at least copy pasted the relevant stuff from the setup doc, I'd probably have believed him. Because why not. At least there would have been nothing obvious to prove him liar. But he chose to do it the way he did and got lynched for it.

next time he'll be wiser and fakeclaim better. Live and learn.

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indeed. nice photostory :D love it. It goes into my mafia memorabilia folder...

hm. does really every bit help? How about distractions? How about whatsitcalled... [url=" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster" ] filibustering [/url]? Or muddying the waters? or all those expressions that suggest that it's possible to misdirect town by talking a lot. not all information is equally useful and I stand by my assertion that if we have found scum we should lynch it and not wait and see if he can't wriggle out again by talking us down.
Maybe it's just because you're so analytical and observant but my brain does lose older information if presented with a lot of new information after a while. I can see myself getting distracted by lot's and lot's of ongoing discussions.

Sure if we don't have lock scum, as is the case today, then more talk is better than less. But yesterday? not so much. I really felt HSLs endless stream of questions in every direction and corner where there to distract from lynching scene. Finding something else, someone you could sort out first, because scene might self-resolve someday anyway.

That they seem to nitpick anything the other one says and I I mostly tend to filter their conversation out of my mind.
I looked at HSL posts and I agree with what people said that he is asking a lot of question but brings very little of his own and doesn't seem to draw conclusions so while he might seem pro-town it doesn't contain much of actual scum-hunting.
I have very little experience with HSL so it is bit hard for me to say if it differs from his town play but it gives me impression of scum play for sure.
It is also true he addressed scene quite a lot, often in manner of "you are not doing this right, you should get better" giving a impression of coaching.

I believe I forgot to delete it when was addressing the other part of your post.

Yeah, I think it could. While scene might not be on top of his play yet, I don't think he is crazy (or at least not crazier than the rest of us) and I believe he would be wise enough to not switch from town (me) to his buddy.

I have no idea why are some scenarios more likely than others. What I know is that it is out of scope of my interest.

You are too gifted to waste your time with us. Go and become famous!

I also checked Joe's posts and it is one big meh full of more meh and nulls.

What stood out was that last time Joe provided something I could call more coherent reads was somewhere in the middle of D1. Joe, the biggest reads lover in the entire universe.
Since then it is a lot of questions, some reactions to questions of others and sometimes some side-mention of thing Joe finds odd and seem to rarely lack any follow-up.

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