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nightcraw1er.488: How did he manage to play cyberpunk for 42 hours? What else does he do for relaxation, hammer nails into his testicles?
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paladin181: Have you even played the game? Just curious. I have about 200 hours and counting. It has problems, certainly. But it's also quite playable and enjoyable.
Yes, I had it preordered here, but managed to get a refund. And I put about 10 hours in later on a steam version (not my account).
I have posted several times before what is wrong, but to summarise:
Bugs, everywhere, all the time, from graphical ones through collision meshes through broken dialog to crashes.
The company’s actions, lying to customers, shareholders, storefronts, buying reviews, etc.
The game itself, it fails at all the advertised points. The basis is an open world simulation, it is not. It’s a vast empty area with some billboards moving around in straight lines with no AI. Comparison to proper open world sims are out there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bexA1Oolp0k
It’s frankly laughably bad. Then there is the loot, they obviously thought borderlands was popular and wanted to do that, it doesn’t work, but will fit in nicely with their planned microtransactions. The dialog is pretty cringeworthy most of the time. No real difference in intro story. Bad driving controls. Broken stealth. Skills and add one make no difference. Didn’t really get to the story. Over world map is an eyesore. Graphically it’s ok, but very static, no idea where these thousands of objects interacting they keep on about are. There are other things but that will do for now.
And finally the future plans, they obviously built this as a multiplayer microtransaction fuelled money spinner, that’s clear from the mechanics. I suspect that due to it being removed from Sony, and being unfavourably received by those in the world not brought by CDPR has pushed that back somewhat, but that is what all this is about (I would even say the massive push of galaxy has been since the success of gwent).
So yes, not a lot good to say about it. I am sure they bug fix a lot, however it will not change the underlying broken mechanisms that has put this title on my all time worst list. Even patched it will only scrape a 3-4/10. It’s contributed to me not buying from gog at the moment, and I will not be buying anything from CDPR again. Was not sure why Witcher 3 was so popular, it was alright, have tried it several times and got to various amounts of hours before getting bored. I preferred the first one. So I didn’t have any preconceptions for this. I just played and thought it was really bad throughout the experience. Really can’t see why anyone would not of refunded this, but you can’t help everyone I suppose ;o)


Just an additional thought, I see the downvote bots have been bought by CDPR to downvote anything daring to say anything bad about cyberpunk, nice to see nothing has changed here.
Post edited March 08, 2021 by nightcraw1er.488
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Breja: Unless the OP is lying or have entirely misunderstood his communication with GOG his refund reques has already been approved by the only entity he needs to "justify" it too - GOG. What I or anyone else think about whether he deserved the refund in the first place is immaterial, he certainly is entitled to it now that it's been agreed to by the store. The request itself might have been exploitative, but in the end he is right - this is not how customer service should work. A refund granted should be paid, or should not have been granted at all. 3 months of stalling is not ok.
I agree on this. If the OP had kept playing after receiving the refund, that would have been illegal and an abuse of the refund and the (mostly) DRM-free system. However, there is nothing illegal about playing the game that he wasn't refunded for yet. As long as the sale isn't refunded, he still 'owns' the game and it's not his fault that GOG stalls for three months.

Of course the fact that he apparently enjoyed the game after all, enough to sink 40 hours into it, means that he has got his money worth. So insisting on the refund after finishing the game is a dick move and if he had requested a refund after playing 40 hours, that request would and should have been denied. But if he really was granted that refund, he should have recieved it (and then deleted the game).

Of course we don't know whether Rokky really granted him the refund and not only said, for example, that he was considering it. There is no proof beyond the word of the OP and GOG is, as usual, silent.
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Lifthrasil: Of course we don't know whether Rokky really granted him the refund and not only said, for example, that he was considering it. There is no proof beyond the word of the OP and GOG is, as usual, silent.
They are just advertising this game:

https://www.gog.com/game/the_moment_of_silence?gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-YGZlsGg7wIVlPlRCh3MYQBpEAAYASAAEgJtJ_D_BwE
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Breja: Unless the OP is lying or have entirely misunderstood his communication with GOG his refund reques has already been approved by the only entity he needs to "justify" it too - GOG. What I or anyone else think about whether he deserved the refund in the first place is immaterial, he certainly is entitled to it now that it's been agreed to by the store. The request itself might have been exploitative, but in the end he is right - this is not how customer service should work. A refund granted should be paid, or should not have been granted at all. 3 months of stalling is not ok.
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Lifthrasil: I agree on this. If the OP had kept playing after receiving the refund, that would have been illegal and an abuse of the refund and the (mostly) DRM-free system. However, there is nothing illegal about playing the game that he wasn't refunded for yet. As long as the sale isn't refunded, he still 'owns' the game and it's not his fault that GOG stalls for three months.

Of course the fact that he apparently enjoyed the game after all, enough to sink 40 hours into it, means that he has got his money worth. So insisting on the refund after finishing the game is a dick move and if he had requested a refund after playing 40 hours, that request would and should have been denied. But if he really was granted that refund, he should have recieved it (and then deleted the game).

Of course we don't know whether Rokky really granted him the refund and not only said, for example, that he was considering it. There is no proof beyond the word of the OP and GOG is, as usual, silent.
I was about to mention - if there has been a misunderstanding like this, the fault still lies with GOG, as they had 3 months to clear it up.

Also, everyone assumes this is about Cyberpunk and focuses on those 40 hours he played, but the OP said it's a refund for the entire Ultimate Red Collection. And he only played Witcher 3 for a grand total of 10 minutes and the other CD Projekt RED games not at all.
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nightcraw1er.488: Yes, I had it preordered here, but managed to get a refund. And I put about 10 hours in later on a steam version (not my account).
I have posted several times before what is wrong, but to summarise:
Bugs, everywhere, all the time, from graphical ones through collision meshes through broken dialog to crashes.
The company’s actions, lying to customers, shareholders, storefronts, buying reviews, etc.
The game itself, it fails at all the advertised points. The basis is an open world simulation, it is not. It’s a vast empty area with some billboards moving around in straight lines with no AI. Comparison to proper open world sims are out there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bexA1Oolp0k
It’s frankly laughably bad. Then there is the loot, they obviously thought borderlands was popular and wanted to do that, it doesn’t work, but will fit in nicely with their planned microtransactions. The dialog is pretty cringeworthy most of the time. No real difference in intro story. Bad driving controls. Broken stealth. Skills and add one make no difference. Didn’t really get to the story. Over world map is an eyesore. Graphically it’s ok, but very static, no idea where these thousands of objects interacting they keep on about are. There are other things but that will do for now.
And finally the future plans, they obviously built this as a multiplayer microtransaction fuelled money spinner, that’s clear from the mechanics. I suspect that due to it being removed from Sony, and being unfavourably received by those in the world not brought by CDPR has pushed that back somewhat, but that is what all this is about (I would even say the massive push of galaxy has been since the success of gwent).
So yes, not a lot good to say about it. I am sure they bug fix a lot, however it will not change the underlying broken mechanisms that has put this title on my all time worst list. Even patched it will only scrape a 3-4/10. It’s contributed to me not buying from gog at the moment, and I will not be buying anything from CDPR again. Was not sure why Witcher 3 was so popular, it was alright, have tried it several times and got to various amounts of hours before getting bored. I preferred the first one. So I didn’t have any preconceptions for this. I just played and thought it was really bad throughout the experience. Really can’t see why anyone would not of refunded this, but you can’t help everyone I suppose ;o)


Just an additional thought, I see the downvote bots have been bought by CDPR to downvote anything daring to say anything bad about cyberpunk, nice to see nothing has changed here.
I appreciate your input. I respectfully disagree on some of the points you made, but hey. That's why people are allowed opinions, right?

I went in expecting the game to be terrible. What I found was a pretty enjoyable experience with some bugs that have frustrated at times. It has a lot of bare bones framework of something better. Missions that are repetitive and not nearly as unique as they were intended to be. I'm not defending the game, nor anyone's decision to refund it. I am simply wondering what you gain by trying to belittle people who are able to enjoy it just fine.
Frustrations aside (which I think we all can understand) I don't think posting on the forums/social media (unless it's done viah Jonah Hill gifs) will do much to help your issue outside of rasing is a neutral question. Disappointing the modding team have not posted in here at the least, but if anything it highlights my point. You'd be best off contacting them in your ticket which I would assume (given how you tell it) should still be open?
Post edited March 08, 2021 by Linko64
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nightcraw1er.488: Yes, I had it preordered here, but managed to get a refund. And I put about 10 hours in later on a steam version (not my account).
I have posted several times before what is wrong, but to summarise:
Bugs, everywhere, all the time, from graphical ones through collision meshes through broken dialog to crashes.
The company’s actions, lying to customers, shareholders, storefronts, buying reviews, etc.
The game itself, it fails at all the advertised points. The basis is an open world simulation, it is not. It’s a vast empty area with some billboards moving around in straight lines with no AI. Comparison to proper open world sims are out there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bexA1Oolp0k
It’s frankly laughably bad. Then there is the loot, they obviously thought borderlands was popular and wanted to do that, it doesn’t work, but will fit in nicely with their planned microtransactions. The dialog is pretty cringeworthy most of the time. No real difference in intro story. Bad driving controls. Broken stealth. Skills and add one make no difference. Didn’t really get to the story. Over world map is an eyesore. Graphically it’s ok, but very static, no idea where these thousands of objects interacting they keep on about are. There are other things but that will do for now.
And finally the future plans, they obviously built this as a multiplayer microtransaction fuelled money spinner, that’s clear from the mechanics. I suspect that due to it being removed from Sony, and being unfavourably received by those in the world not brought by CDPR has pushed that back somewhat, but that is what all this is about (I would even say the massive push of galaxy has been since the success of gwent).
So yes, not a lot good to say about it. I am sure they bug fix a lot, however it will not change the underlying broken mechanisms that has put this title on my all time worst list. Even patched it will only scrape a 3-4/10. It’s contributed to me not buying from gog at the moment, and I will not be buying anything from CDPR again. Was not sure why Witcher 3 was so popular, it was alright, have tried it several times and got to various amounts of hours before getting bored. I preferred the first one. So I didn’t have any preconceptions for this. I just played and thought it was really bad throughout the experience. Really can’t see why anyone would not of refunded this, but you can’t help everyone I suppose ;o)

Just an additional thought, I see the downvote bots have been bought by CDPR to downvote anything daring to say anything bad about cyberpunk, nice to see nothing has changed here.
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paladin181: I appreciate your input. I respectfully disagree on some of the points you made, but hey. That's why people are allowed opinions, right?

I went in expecting the game to be terrible. What I found was a pretty enjoyable experience with some bugs that have frustrated at times. It has a lot of bare bones framework of something better. Missions that are repetitive and not nearly as unique as they were intended to be. I'm not defending the game, nor anyone's decision to refund it. I am simply wondering what you gain by trying to belittle people who are able to enjoy it just fine.
I don’t stand to gain, it’s a preventative measure. It is of course part of society now the “can’t let anything fail” thinking. Basically CDPR have been underhand across the whole thing, produced something which is provably and repeatable bad and not online with pretty much anything they said. Now you can enjoy it all you like, but now they have profited from this, and by those promoting and defending it, the next thing will be even worse. This is what happens when there is no fear of failure, hence EA, Blizzard, Etc. Another example, back in the day Atari made ET which was so bad it got buried in the desert, this in part led to their downfall, hence learn by failure, this would never happen nowadays. There would be queues of people everywhere swearing there was nothing wrong it and Atari should be worshipped for merely existing.
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4aiman: Complaining on all social media I can.
I requested a refund for Ultimate Red Collection. And it was granted. In words only.
In reality it's been almost 3 months since my initial inquiry.

Some employee (goes by "Rokky") had been apologetically stalling the process of refund until a week or so ago.
These days Rokky just ignores the ticket.

Ticket #956757.
Contact me ASAP, GOG.
This is not how customer service should work.
Our support team was dealing with an unprecedented volume of tickets, and while they are working tirelessly around the clock to respond to each and every request, longer delays are unfortunately to be expected.
As Rokky has stated several times in your ticket, the refund has been forwarded, and we will get back to you as soon as the transfer has been issued. Keep in mind that posting on the forum will not escalate your ticket. Please be patient and wait for the reply from Support.
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paladin181: I appreciate your input. I respectfully disagree on some of the points you made, but hey. That's why people are allowed opinions, right?

I went in expecting the game to be terrible. What I found was a pretty enjoyable experience with some bugs that have frustrated at times. It has a lot of bare bones framework of something better. Missions that are repetitive and not nearly as unique as they were intended to be. I'm not defending the game, nor anyone's decision to refund it. I am simply wondering what you gain by trying to belittle people who are able to enjoy it just fine.
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nightcraw1er.488: I don’t stand to gain, it’s a preventative measure. It is of course part of society now the “can’t let anything fail” thinking. Basically CDPR have been underhand across the whole thing, produced something which is provably and repeatable bad and not online with pretty much anything they said. Now you can enjoy it all you like, but now they have profited from this, and by those promoting and defending it, the next thing will be even worse. This is what happens when there is no fear of failure, hence EA, Blizzard, Etc. Another example, back in the day Atari made ET which was so bad it got buried in the desert, this in part led to their downfall, hence learn by failure, this would never happen nowadays. There would be queues of people everywhere swearing there was nothing wrong it and Atari should be worshipped for merely existing.
I did none of the above. I don't defend a game that is broken and doesn't deliver. I said I personally enjoyed it for what it is, and others have as well. I also never mentioned CDPR in my statements, much less defended the practices of CDP of empty apologies for rushing an unfinished product to market before it could be made ready and worked the developers half to death to meet impossible deadlines, as well as bowing to a Twitter mob sent by the CCP to keep a game from the GOG store. I despise all of it. I absolutely dislike it. But none of that has anything to do with my enjoyment of the game. That's all
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4aiman: Complaining on all social media I can.
I requested a refund for Ultimate Red Collection. And it was granted. In words only.
In reality it's been almost 3 months since my initial inquiry.

Some employee (goes by "Rokky") had been apologetically stalling the process of refund until a week or so ago.
These days Rokky just ignores the ticket.

Ticket #956757.
Contact me ASAP, GOG.
This is not how customer service should work.
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SmollestLight: Our support team was dealing with an unprecedented volume of tickets, and while they are working tirelessly around the clock to respond to each and every request, longer delays are unfortunately to be expected.
As Rokky has stated several times in your ticket, the refund has been forwarded, and we will get back to you as soon as the transfer has been issued. Keep in mind that posting on the forum will not escalate your ticket. Please be patient and wait for the reply from Support.
Have you never thought about implementing an automatic system to process refund-requests? I know you don't store any payment data which I think was the reason given why this isn't possible. The solution could be to refund to store credit. You would also have to implement a payout system so a customer can transfer the credited amount to their bank/paypal or credit card account if they so wish to.

In cases a refund can not be processed automatically for whatever reason this could then be directly and automatically forwarded to a support person. Instead of having a customer reply to an automated mail, which - looking at several topics causes confusion, the support person processing the ticket can contact the customer directly. This way you would take that huge workload off your support group's back and they could concentrate working on other tasks.

In case you reply to this, please don't tell me that this shouldn't be possible. :)
Post edited March 08, 2021 by Mori_Yuki
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4aiman: Complaining on all social media I can.
I requested a refund for Ultimate Red Collection. And it was granted. In words only.
In reality it's been almost 3 months since my initial inquiry.

Some employee (goes by "Rokky") had been apologetically stalling the process of refund until a week or so ago.
These days Rokky just ignores the ticket.

Ticket #956757.
Contact me ASAP, GOG.
This is not how customer service should work.
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SmollestLight: Our support team was dealing with an unprecedented volume of tickets, and while they are working tirelessly around the clock to respond to each and every request, longer delays are unfortunately to be expected.
As Rokky has stated several times in your ticket, the refund has been forwarded, and we will get back to you as soon as the transfer has been issued. Keep in mind that posting on the forum will not escalate your ticket. Please be patient and wait for the reply from Support.
He didn't deserve it, Smollest!
And Happy Women Day!
Post edited March 08, 2021 by KetobaK
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4aiman: Complaining on all social media I can.
I requested a refund for Ultimate Red Collection. And it was granted. In words only.
In reality it's been almost 3 months since my initial inquiry.

Some employee (goes by "Rokky") had been apologetically stalling the process of refund until a week or so ago.
These days Rokky just ignores the ticket.

Ticket #956757.
Contact me ASAP, GOG.
This is not how customer service should work.
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SmollestLight: Our support team was dealing with an unprecedented volume of tickets, and while they are working tirelessly around the clock to respond to each and every request, longer delays are unfortunately to be expected.
As Rokky has stated several times in your ticket, the refund has been forwarded, and we will get back to you as soon as the transfer has been issued. Keep in mind that posting on the forum will not escalate your ticket. Please be patient and wait for the reply from Support.
No. You cannot ask people to be patient for half a year. I have taken my money elsewhere to people who deliver results instead of petty excuses. Shameful display, CDP pawns.
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SmollestLight: Our support team was dealing with an unprecedented volume of tickets, and while they are working tirelessly around the clock to respond to each and every request, longer delays are unfortunately to be expected.
As Rokky has stated several times in your ticket, the refund has been forwarded, and we will get back to you as soon as the transfer has been issued. Keep in mind that posting on the forum will not escalate your ticket. Please be patient and wait for the reply from Support.
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TencentInvestor: No. You cannot ask people to be patient for half a year. I have taken my money elsewhere to people who deliver results instead of petty excuses. Shameful display, CDP pawns.
If they are backed up on support tickets there is nothing you can do about it.
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KetobaK: He didn't deserve it, Smollest!
And Happy Women Day!
Gogs twitter likes womens and other PC days but a pity there's no mention of mens. I wonder if some entity pays to promote those days.

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Mori_Yuki: Have you never thought about implementing an automatic system to process refund-requests? I know you don't store any payment data which I think was the reason given why this isn't possible. The solution could be to refund to store credit. You would also have to implement a payout system so a customer can transfer the credited amount to their bank/paypal or credit card account if they so wish to.
The longer they keep the money the more interest they make and that goes for steams refund system too.


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paladin181: I did none of the above. I don't defend a game that is broken and doesn't deliver. I said I personally enjoyed it for what it is, and others have as well. I also never mentioned CDPR in my statements, much less defended the practices of CDP of empty apologies for rushing an unfinished product to market before it could be made ready and worked the developers half to death to meet impossible deadlines, as well as bowing to a Twitter mob sent by the CCP to keep a game from the GOG store. I despise all of it. I absolutely dislike it. But none of that has anything to do with my enjoyment of the game. That's all
Unless we see the work logs then I call bullshit on working developers half to death as it sounds like the type of stories the "videogamejournalists" make up.
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KetobaK: He didn't deserve it, Smollest!
And Happy Women Day!
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§pectre: Gogs twitter likes womens and other PC days but a pity there's no mention of mens. I wonder if some entity pays to promote those days.

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Mori_Yuki: Have you never thought about implementing an automatic system to process refund-requests? I know you don't store any payment data which I think was the reason given why this isn't possible. The solution could be to refund to store credit. You would also have to implement a payout system so a customer can transfer the credited amount to their bank/paypal or credit card account if they so wish to.
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§pectre: The longer they keep the money the more interest they make and that goes for steams refund system too.

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paladin181: I did none of the above. I don't defend a game that is broken and doesn't deliver. I said I personally enjoyed it for what it is, and others have as well. I also never mentioned CDPR in my statements, much less defended the practices of CDP of empty apologies for rushing an unfinished product to market before it could be made ready and worked the developers half to death to meet impossible deadlines, as well as bowing to a Twitter mob sent by the CCP to keep a game from the GOG store. I despise all of it. I absolutely dislike it. But none of that has anything to do with my enjoyment of the game. That's all
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§pectre: Unless we see the work logs then I call bullshit on working developers half to death as it sounds like the type of stories the "videogamejournalists" make up.
ah, twitter the home of the oppressed... now everywhere they talk about payment gap, and they are right men earns less than women for the same job most of the time

it is not about the interest , it is about to stretch it out, so the customer just gives up leaving the money at the store

journos are full of crap, imho they are one of the worst people ever