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Hey, GOGgers,

We're not perfect, we're exploring new frontiers, and we make mistakes. We thought DRM-Free was so important that you'd prefer we bring you more DRM-Free games and Fair Price was less critical and that it could be sacrificed in some cases. The last two week's worth of comments in our forums (nearly 10k!), show that's not the case. We didn’t listen and we let you down. We shouldn't sacrifice one of our core values in an attempt to advance another. We feel bad about that, and we're sorry. Us being sorry is not of much use to you, so let’s talk about how we will fix it.

One: DRM-free forever. Abandoning fixed regional pricing means it will probably take longer to get some games, but you've made it clear that sacrificing fair pricing for more DRM-free games isn't acceptable.

Two: We will adamantly continue to fight for games with flat worldwide pricing. If that fails and we are required to have regional prices, we will make up the difference for you out of our own pockets. For now it will be with $5.99 and $9.99 game codes. In a couple of months, once we have such functionality implemented, we will give you store credit instead, which then you will be able to use towards any purchase and cover the price of it in full or partially. Effectively gamers from all around the world will be able to benefit from the US prices.

This will apply to every single game where we do not have flat pricing, such as Age of Wonders 3 (full details here), Divinity: Original Sin, and The Witcher 3. If you remember the Fair Price Package for The Witcher 2, this will be exactly the same.

Three: We still intend to introduce the pricing in local currencies. Let us explain why we want to do it and how we want to make it fair for everyone. From the very beginning our intention was to make things easier for users whose credit cards/payment systems are not natively in USD. The advantages are simple because the price is more understandable and easier to relate to. There would be no exchange rates involved, no transaction fees, and no other hidden charges. However after reading your comments, we realized we have taken an important element away: the choice. In order to fix this, we'll offer the option of paying in the local currency or the equivalent in USD. This way, how you pay is always your choice.

Four: You are what matters, and we will be sure to involve you all more in what we're doing and why we're doing it. Let's start by meeting you at GDC - we’d like to invite you to meet us face-to-face Monday the 17th at GDC. Obviously, not all of you can come to San Francisco, so we want to invite all of you to an online event with us early in April to ask us whatever you would like. More details soon.

The bottom line is simple: there may be companies that won't work with us (although we will work hard to convince the most stubborn ones ;). Yes, it means we might miss out on some games, but at the same time GOG.com will remain true to its values and will keep on offering you the best of DRM-free gaming with Fair Prices.

Once again thank you for caring so much about GOG.com. We will work hard not to disappoint you again.

--Marcin "iWi" Iwinski & Guillaume "TheFrenchMonk" Rambourg
Sounds good, and lucky during all the Chaos steam didn't send their staff over to occupy your building or we could have found ourselves buying DRM games without a shot fired. Ah European politics :)
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TheEnigmaticT: ... The assumption, based on our knowledge of our users, is that they're worth more to us than the short-term loss is. :)
Okay. I would really like to support GOG because I think the new changes make GOG even better and it is a more balanced approach. So I thought I should preorder AoW3 to show support. However you seem to indicate that GOG might make a loss in my region with every preorder. Then preordering would not really be supporting GOG.

It's a funny situation somehow. What do you suggest me? I want to support GOG. Would pre-ordering of AoW3 from here really be a support or would other measures (buy some classics instead and wait until AoW3 becomes more equally priced) be better?

Causing a loss is not how I would like to reward GOG for this brave step.

edit: Ok, I decided to buy some classics from the wishlist instead in the next time while waiting for AoW3 to become a bit more flat (and less of a loss to GOG) and waiting for Witcher 3 to buy and recommending AoW3 to those who never have heard of GOG since the offer is now really good. That should do the trick of supporting GOG.
Post edited March 12, 2014 by Trilarion
Never have I encountered a company that cares this much about their customers, with their minds not set on the money, but rather the idea and cause of doing something worth fighting for.

I trust gog in whatever decision you guys will make and whatever direction you'll take in the fight against DRM.
Triump studios are really lucky guys. In the end they profit quite a lot by making GOG paying up for their high prices which the customers would never pay themselves.

The real problems here are that publisher prices in some regions are simply too high and that retail plays unfair against digital not allowing to be undercut by digital.
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TheEnigmaticT: ... The assumption, based on our knowledge of our users, is that they're worth more to us than the short-term loss is. :)
But if that is the case, why would you want to bring any new games to GOG if that results in a loss? I feel pretty bad now that GOG is losing money for every AoW 3 pre order from outside the usa.
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TheEnigmaticT: ... The assumption, based on our knowledge of our users, is that they're worth more to us than the short-term loss is. :)
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Senteria: But if that is the case, why would you want to bring any new games to GOG if that results in a loss? I feel pretty bad now that GOG is losing money for every AoW 3 pre order from outside the usa.
Short term loss, long term gain :)
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zymon: Never have I encountered a company that cares this much about their customers, with their minds not set on the money, but rather the idea and cause of doing something worth fighting for.

I trust gog in whatever decision you guys will make and whatever direction you'll take in the fight against DRM.
Signed!
This enourages me to buy more on GoG, even if it may be cheaper on Steam (or just wait for a sell on GoG).

Thanks a lot guys and good luck for the future!
There are many Ubisoft games, I didn't buy because of Uplay (Splintercell, newer Assassins Creed) and some EA games I didn't buy because of Origin (some NFS games).

hey Ubi and EA: Want my money? Put your games on GoG.com!
Beside my own opinion to the former plans on pricing and the current "back to the roots" policy, it is just awsome to see how feedback is actually taken into account. GOG have now earned mor respect, and when word is spread, more custumers for sure.
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Senteria: But if that is the case, why would you want to bring any new games to GOG if that results in a loss? I feel pretty bad now that GOG is losing money for every AoW 3 pre order from outside the usa.
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JudasIscariot: Short term loss, long term gain :)
Oh I think I get it. By selling new games with regional pricing and covering the difference you lure people here who like that idea, and you pray to god that they will buy more games on GOG? Later when the prices change and you can have a flat price, you will start to make money again? That's pretty risky. =o

If I hear even one word of people saying GOG is greedy, they need to be ashamed.
Post edited March 12, 2014 by Senteria
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JudasIscariot: Short term loss, long term gain :)
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Senteria: Oh I think I get it. By selling new games with regional pricing and covering the difference you lure people here who like that idea, and you pray to god that they will buy more games on GOG? Later when the prices change and you can have a flat price, you will start to make money again? That's pretty risky. =o
Well, I don't know all the finer details but I think the folks up top have things figured out :)
Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes.

VALVe made mistakes - they acknowledged them and fixed them - I forgave them.
You made mistakes - you acknowledge them and fix them - I forgive you.

Kudos to you, keep rolling, GOG!
Kudos GOG for admitting you did something you thought was right but a bigger part of your community thought was wrong. Not many people (and even fewer companies) are able to do this.
Let's see what we can make of this all together now.
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Neobr10: By questioning me "why rip off some countries a big deal instead of just spreading the pain around so everyone gets a little?"

I never said anything remotely close to that. I'm not even defending regional pricing as it stands right now (i just said that there are good examples of regional pricing done right). You're both implying that i'm defending that some countries need to be "ripped off" or that they should get higher prices than the standard american price. I'm not.
And for the second time now, I NEVER SAID that you did. Look, asking a question (Hint: there's one of these "?" at the end) cannot, by definition, misrepresent anyone, because it's not even representing anyone. It's a question. In order to misrepresent someone, one would have to assert something, not question it.

I wasn't implying ANYTHING. I asked two QUESTIONS. If you want to infer, from a question, what I'm thinking and what my motives are, go right ahead, but you don't get to accuse me of misrepresenting you, or anyone else, when I didn't even say anything about you or anyone else. I asked a hypothetical question, to which you responded, then I asked a second hypothetical question, to which you claimed I had created a strawman.

To create a strawman, one must first claim someone else believes this or that, when there is nothing whatsoever to base such a claim on, and then after building up this false idea, you then have to show why it's so horrible, and by extension, the person claiming that idea.

How on earth anyone could accomplish all of that in the space of two questions must be one for the ages.

Have a great life, and from now on don't respond to my posts and I'll do you the same courtesy. And for your own sake learn what a strawman is.
Post edited March 12, 2014 by OldFatGuy
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TheEnigmaticT: ... The assumption, based on our knowledge of our users, is that they're worth more to us than the short-term loss is. :)
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Senteria: But if that is the case, why would you want to bring any new games to GOG if that results in a loss? I feel pretty bad now that GOG is losing money for every AoW 3 pre order from outside the usa.
I'd suggest you buy the games you want. If you like AoW3, pick it up. If you don't, then don't.

The numbers I used above were, as I stated, rough and based on publicly-available information. I'm not the business developement team, so I don't know *exact* numbers--and wouldn't be sharing them anyway if I did--but take it from me that if you want to pick up AoW3 from us, go ahead. Whether it helps us showcase that we're a good destination for new games--which lets us fight for flat prices--or just to help show the Triumph guys that they're you appreciate them being mensches for adapting to the changes we're putting in place, there's good reasons to pick up AoW3 if you're inclined. :)
Thanks for reconsidering your pricing policy. These are probably tough decisions for you to take but its never wrong to stick to your principles.