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Posted August 27, 2018
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Australian politics is shifting to the right and the new Prime Minister is known for his hard line on illegal immigrants. This is reflective of political trends throughout the west.
Post edited August 27, 2018 by initialpresence
Posted August 27, 2018
Hey! Don't derail the thread with politics!

It's been created for POLITCAL stuff, as the title clearly states.
Posted August 27, 2018
Just one thing regarding "political stuff" on GOG's forum.

Someone could tell that GOG/CDP is/are companies dealing with games and due to that fact they're rather neutral about politics, it's not their "cup of tea" etc. Which would be a good argument for avoiding all "political stuff" on this forum.

The problem is, that they're not "neutral", in fact they're very engaged and it has some practice impact.

Example - CD-Projekt in Poland released "special edition" of game "Democracy 3", which was full of primitive and tendencious jokes from political party which has created current government (aside from "joke side", openly suggesting most of accusations made by current opposite parties).

Now, about GOG - GOG did not released Hatred game, not because it was full of violence. Reason was that some "journalist" has found out that one of the game creators was accused of "contacts" with "unliked" by liberal media organisations (organisation is functioning 100% legal) and wearing a t-shirt glorifying one of the polish partisan groups fighting with both Germans and soviet troops, which was considered as "scandalous", only because some uneducated journalists have called this group antisemitic.

On the other hand, GOG doesn't have any issue with releasing games like "Not Tonight", which producer included a lot of leftist "communicates" inside game.

And cherry on top - basing on info I've gathered on various events in CPD/GOG building, my talks with their employees (not going to reveal their identity though) etc, it's clear, that majority of GOG's crew is openly leftist/liberal in their beliefs and they're very rude and arrogant for people who are presenting vastly different beliefs than theirs.

I'm generally trying not to think about GOG's crew in this aspect, since they're showing themselves in this part in worsest possible form. But I do believe that those "political" threads are making them concious, that their clients are not entirely open and untolerating other beliefs leftist/liberals like themselves, but that many of us are sharing completely different beliefs and values.

And it's not "dull" accusation, because I gave examples that they're not neutral. I had also very unfortunate conversation with one of the tech support, who was trying to "lecture" me about beaing a good european (sic!) and that I shall use english language instead of polish (sic!). So yeah, I believe that I'm not jumping here with false accusation.

DISCLAIMER - Someone could say, that if I'm here for DRM-free games, then why bother about political actions/beliefs of GOG's crew. Answer is simple - they're not neutral in aspects where they could be neutral. And it personally "hurts" me, that guys who are doing such great job with DRM-free games stuff, are not only openly against values which are precious to me (this part I could probably "forgive", but also are presenting so tendencious approach to their activity in those aspects.
Post edited August 27, 2018 by MartiusR
Posted August 27, 2018
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MartiusR: Which would be a good argument for avoiding all "political stuff" on this forum.
That's not even the real reason. The reason that "political stuff" should be avoided on this forum is because it literally goes downhill every single time. I can barely think of a political thread which lasted more than a few pages which DIDN'T get locked because it immediately flew into mudslinging.

This could actually be a very interesting place offering diverse perspectives if not for:
1. half the users on the forum being incapable of holding a civil political (or even social, at times) discussion
2. the fact that there is exactly one moderator on the entire forum
3. the fact that this "moderator" is technically a "community manager" and the forum is barely part of his job in this respect

If I wanted to make some bait for the week and watch everything go downhill, all I'd do is just make a thread with a single news post of something that vaguely smacks of a political argument, make some neutral comment about it, and leave. Within a week's time, the thing would be a wreck without me even posting in it aside from that initial starter. That is how bad the state of things are in here currently.
Posted August 27, 2018
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MartiusR: Just one thing regarding "political stuff" on GOG's forum.

Someone could tell that GOG/CDP is/are companies dealing with games and due to that fact they're rather neutral about politics, it's not their "cup of tea" etc. Which would be a good argument for avoiding all "political stuff" on this forum.

The problem is, that they're not "neutral", in fact they're very engaged and it has some practice impact.

Example - CD-Projekt in Poland released "special edition" of game "Democracy 3", which was full of primitive and tendencious jokes from political party which has created current government (aside from "joke side", openly suggesting most of accusations made by current opposite parties).

Now, about GOG - GOG did not released Hatred game, not because it was full of violence. Reason was that some "journalist" has found out that one of the game creators was accused of "contacts" with "unliked" by liberal media organisations (organisation is functioning 100% legal) and wearing a t-shirt glorifying one of the polish partisan groups fighting with both Germans and soviet troops, which was considered as "scandalous", only because some uneducated journalists have called this group antisemitic.

On the other hand, GOG doesn't have any issue with releasing games like "Not Tonight", which producer included a lot of leftist "communicates" inside game.

And cherry on top - basing on info I've gathered on various events in CPD/GOG building, my talks with their employees (not going to reveal their identity though) etc, it's clear, that majority of GOG's crew is openly leftist/liberal in their beliefs and they're very rude and arrogant for people who are presenting vastly different beliefs than theirs.

I'm generally trying not to think about GOG's crew in this aspect, since they're showing themselves in this part in worsest possible form. But I do believe that those "political" threads are making them concious, that their clients are not entirely open and untolerating other beliefs leftist/liberals like themselves, but that many of us are sharing completely different beliefs and values.

And it's not "dull" accusation, because I gave examples that they're not neutral. I had also very unfortunate conversation with one of the tech support, who was trying to "lecture" me about beaing a good european (sic!) and that I shall use english language instead of polish (sic!). So yeah, I believe that I'm not jumping here with false accusation.

DISCLAIMER - Someone could say, that if I'm here for DRM-free games, then why bother about political actions/beliefs of GOG's crew. Answer is simple - they're not neutral in aspects where they could be neutral. And it personally "hurts" me, that guys who are doing such great job with DRM-free games stuff, are not only openly against values which are precious to me (this part I could probably "forgive", but also are presenting so tendencious approach to their activity in those aspects.
No mention of Postal or Kingdom Come being sold on GOG, just a very strange swipe at two companies and hundreds of people.



Political threads there purely to talk politics are not welcome due to 100% of them going toxic and becoming a soapbox for people to jump on and attack each other. I do believe this thread was created as bait given previous interactions with the OP, however, I'm willing to let this thread run.

The moment I see a single person attack another or use this as a platform to express racism/hate speech the thread will be closed and the users dealt with.
Post edited August 27, 2018 by Linko90
Posted August 27, 2018
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MartiusR: Just one thing regarding "political stuff" on GOG's forum.

Someone could tell that GOG/CDP is/are companies dealing with games and due to that fact they're rather neutral about politics, it's not their "cup of tea" etc. Which would be a good argument for avoiding all "political stuff" on this forum.

The problem is, that they're not "neutral", in fact they're very engaged and it has some practice impact.

Example - CD-Projekt in Poland released "special edition" of game "Democracy 3", which was full of primitive and tendencious jokes from political party which has created current government (aside from "joke side", openly suggesting most of accusations made by current opposite parties).

Now, about GOG - GOG did not released Hatred game, not because it was full of violence. Reason was that some "journalist" has found out that one of the game creators was accused of "contacts" with "unliked" by liberal media organisations (organisation is functioning 100% legal) and wearing a t-shirt glorifying one of the polish partisan groups fighting with both Germans and soviet troops, which was considered as "scandalous", only because some uneducated journalists have called this group antisemitic.

On the other hand, GOG doesn't have any issue with releasing games like "Not Tonight", which producer included a lot of leftist "communicates" inside game.

And cherry on top - basing on info I've gathered on various events in CPD/GOG building, my talks with their employees (not going to reveal their identity though) etc, it's clear, that majority of GOG's crew is openly leftist/liberal in their beliefs and they're very rude and arrogant for people who are presenting vastly different beliefs than theirs.

I'm generally trying not to think about GOG's crew in this aspect, since they're showing themselves in this part in worsest possible form. But I do believe that those "political" threads are making them concious, that their clients are not entirely open and untolerating other beliefs leftist/liberals like themselves, but that many of us are sharing completely different beliefs and values.

And it's not "dull" accusation, because I gave examples that they're not neutral. I had also very unfortunate conversation with one of the tech support, who was trying to "lecture" me about beaing a good european (sic!) and that I shall use english language instead of polish (sic!). So yeah, I believe that I'm not jumping here with false accusation.

DISCLAIMER - Someone could say, that if I'm here for DRM-free games, then why bother about political actions/beliefs of GOG's crew. Answer is simple - they're not neutral in aspects where they could be neutral. And it personally "hurts" me, that guys who are doing such great job with DRM-free games stuff, are not only openly against values which are precious to me (this part I could probably "forgive", but also are presenting so tendencious approach to their activity in those aspects.
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Linko90: No mention of Postal or Kingdom Come being sold on GOG, just a very strange swipe at two companies and hundreds of people.

Political threads there purely to talk politics are not welcome due to 100% of them going toxic and becoming a soapbox for people to jump on and attack each other. I do believe this thread was created as bait given previous interactions with the OP, however, I'm willing to let this thread run.

The moment I see a single person attack another or use this as a platform to express racism/hate speech the thread will be closed and the users dealt with.
I didn't create it as bait. Also please define racism and hate speech because it seems that pointing out certain things such as what is happening in South Africa or linking to video advocating relatively moderate stances on things such as preventing genocide of whites is considered by some to be hate speech. Please clarify.

The reason I created this is because two different threads were shut down where myself and another user were having a civil discussion on political issues but the threads were shut down because you claimed they derailed the thread not for their political content. The second thread was the "not happy" thread where a very civil debate with myself and two other users had continued for some pages. You only shut it down after I linked to several Red Ice videos, all of which fall into very civil non-hateful, non-racist but pro-white advocacy. It would seem it is ok to advocate for any group of people except for whites, then, no matter how civil one is, no matter how clear one makes it that one is not against other groups of people and does not advocate violence it is still called "racist" or "hate speech".

And as for a political thread becoming a "soapbox", well the whole point of a thread for "politcal stuff" is for people to discuss politics and express their political opinions. This can be done in a civil manner while still sharing different views without resorting to insulting one another. Even racially charged politics can be debated without inciting racial hatred.
Post edited August 27, 2018 by initialpresence
Posted August 27, 2018
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Linko90: No mention of Postal or Kingdom Come being sold on GOG, just a very strange swipe at two companies and hundreds of people.
I gave example of Hatred not because of violence it's presenting, but because of "political reasons" I've explained previously (violence wasn't issue for releasing Postal series after all, so it's not the case). And yet you gave releasing "Postal" as example... You didn't read exactly what I've written.

Besides - I'm giving concrete examples and arguments, suggesting that I'm "swiping" someone is rude. I didn't insult anybody from GOG's or CDP crew, just explained that I don't like what they're doing (and why I don't like it).

I don't expect you're going to agree with me or praise me, but please, let's be cultural and polite to each other, ok?
Post edited August 27, 2018 by MartiusR
Posted August 27, 2018
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initialpresence: but as soon as I express my opinion, no matter how civil I am about it the thread gets shut down.
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, but... could it be that your opinions are sometimes abhorrent?
Posted August 27, 2018
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MartiusR: Which would be a good argument for avoiding all "political stuff" on this forum.
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zeogold: That's not even the real reason. The reason that "political stuff" should be avoided on this forum is because it literally goes downhill every single time. I can barely think of a political thread which lasted more than a few pages which DIDN'T get locked because it immediately flew into mudslinging.

This could actually be a very interesting place offering diverse perspectives if not for:
1. half the users on the forum being incapable of holding a civil political (or even social, at times) discussion
2. the fact that there is exactly one moderator on the entire forum
3. the fact that this "moderator" is technically a "community manager" and the forum is barely part of his job in this respect

If I wanted to make some bait for the week and watch everything go downhill, all I'd do is just make a thread with a single news post of something that vaguely smacks of a political argument, make some neutral comment about it, and leave. Within a week's time, the thing would be a wreck without me even posting in it aside from that initial starter. That is how bad the state of things are in here currently.
Ok, I admit that I feel quite convinced about your argument. Although I admit that for me it's a bit "delicate" matter, due to reason I've explained earlier. So yeah, I admit that I feel a bit "torned apart" between those two aspects (one presented by me, one presented by you).
Posted August 27, 2018
I'd honestly rather have a single centralized thread focused on politics in semi-war mode than be subjected to seeing regular troll threads like "i woke up this morning to my fingers smelling like onion". Some people just go out of their way to post something disgusting on a regular basis.
Post edited August 27, 2018 by Pheace
Posted August 27, 2018
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Pheace: than be subjected to seeing regular troll threads like "i woke up this morning to my fingers smelling like onion". Some people just go out of their way to post something disgusting on a regular basis.
You just lost me.
Posted August 28, 2018
I think the only conversations nowadays has come down to.......[redacted] and then they said [redacted] but because [redacted] is the [redacted] then is [redacted] by a [redacted].It's a sorry state of affairs for the whole world when everything is/can be taken out of context or misunderstood or misread as [redacted] or [redacted].Maybe this is the future of freedom of speech,and no one will understand anything written because it's all,[redacted] and the only signs/typed/written understood,will be non word signs :)
Posted August 28, 2018
I wonder why there haven't been many Trump games so far. How about "MAGA: Pussygrabber in chief", a game where you're playing as Trump and your goal is to molest or seduce as many women as possible, while avoiding any compromising video tapes etc.
Would you people be interested in playing that?
Posted August 28, 2018
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morolf: I wonder why there haven't been many Trump games so far.
There are.
Posted August 28, 2018
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tinyE:
Is that a game where you dismember Trump? Kind of gross tbh. I was thinking more of pro-Trump games. Odd that Trump hasn't sponsored any, he's quite media savvy after all.
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