It is doing impressively well.

Fuck liars, carierists and double-morals.

Here you have such "anti-fascist" european activist, denying and covering fascism even when faced with facts directly.

Wow, we really have differing opinions about something doing well...... Who would have thought that a Russian would say his country isn't doing well.... Russkii duh would prevent any Russian from saying that.

Well yeah, Russians have always hated careerists, your idol is Ivan-Duratšok, do nothing and become rich and get the princess aswell. If you meant career-politicians, then I agree with you. And still, fuck communism, fascism, national-socialism, scratch that, fuck every goddamn oppresive regime. Also your Putin and his cronies with their retarded Authoritarian bullshit.

Here is Russki duh at work.

What?Careerist is someone who does everything to go up the career ladder. From asslicking to murder.

He is called Ivan-Durak and he is a simple good guy without backyard thoughts. Princesses tended to love this, in the old fairy tales at least.


Single agreement point.


Absolutely nothing retarded or authoritarian about him. The single controverse point is the 212.1 law, which is too vague formulated and is currently only broken by career oppositionists, who do nothing constructive, but to protest for the matter of protest.

I think that living in a free country means to immediately recognize a dictatorial country.
All countries where the president never changes (Russia, Turkey, Egypt etc ...), all the countries where there was a military coup to the state (Russia, Egypt etc ...), all countries where there is not freedom of speech (Russia, Turkey, Egypt, China etc ...), all countries where religion is at the head of the state (like many ISIS and United Arab Emirates and Muslims countries), all countries where there is something not clear in elections (for example not everyone has the right to vote, or there is a strange majority), all countries where there is discrimination women, sexuality, skin colour, nation, all countries where you cannot made a new political party etc... are all dictatorial countries.

there are also some European countries that are dictatorial like all the nations that are building walls against the poor.
The fall of the Berlin Wall was the symbol of the end of an era... now we are going back.

there are a lot of racism now.

Where are not respected the fundamental rights of the human being, there is a dictatorial country.
there are countries where some decision are made with no respect for human but you can still change things (elect an other president and parliament)... there are countries where you cannot do that (Russia, Turkey, Egypt, China, Hungary (that is a European country) etc...).

ISIS and the terrorists have blinded people's hearts... immigrants are fleeing precisely by ISIS and are only poor people that fight to survive.

the Europe project was about avoid the mistakes of World War II, the EU project was about make an union of country with respect for human rights.... and since we failed now we pay the price (we are going back).

The fault was also of the banks in Germany which destroyed Greece and embarrassed many other countries (like Italy and Spain)...
the blame was the corruption of the governments of those countries (Greece in particular, where the budget was even falsified)... but the fault of corruption and their cost has been downloaded on the wrong people (not the fault of the Greeks if they have had criminals in government).

Those who live in a free country can tell when a government does something wrong, knows criticize their own government.

What about countries where president is a nominal figure, but real people in power don't change?
Like Germany (Merkel) or US ( senators-lobbyists for life, with nominal presidents Clintons and Bushes passing each other idiot ball), where you see protesters regularly shot with real and rubber bullets.

See, I'm Russian, right here. What I don't know due to restrains on freedom of speech in my country?
Your country definitely has freedom of speech, please, tell me TRUTH, I beg you.

Why not?

in those country people actually can elect an other president and/or parliament (in USA Obama for example, that now have to fight against the parliament).
Germany as the rest of Europe is also undergoing some changes, I do not be surprised if the upcoming election Merkel loses the election. that cannot occur in Russia where Putin (or one of his puppet) will always be in charge (as long as he has the power).
your country is a dictatorship country, because:
1. After communism dictactorship there was a military coup where Putin got the power of previuos people in charge. Now he control media, politics, education and there is the cult of the individual (as in any dictatorship). Newspapers are censored, the invasion ukraine has been transformed by propaganda (while the rest of the world knows what happened)
All of that is the same thing that we in Italy got with fascism dictatorship.
2. The police may intervene in case one is not in political agreement with those who are at the head of the government. This is a violation of freedom of speech.
There are many cases of missing persons in your own country for this reason (politic reason). Here we often hear news of this kind for Russia.
3. There is no political party that competes with Putin. In every single not-dictatorship country there is at least 1 or 2 political parties who have at least 40% of the votes. Because we are human and we all have different ideas, so there are different people to rappresent that ideas.
In Russia there is no real alternative to Putin.

Tell me honestly, have you ever thought about going to vote for someone other than Putin (and his political party)?
Have you ever thought of founding a new political party?
Have you ever thought about changing a law? Have you ever thought of protesting in the streets against a law that feel wrong?
Have you ever thought about doing a referendum to abolish a law that feel wrong?

There is a debate between Putin and his political opponents?
His political opponents are there?

Berlusconi is a close friend of Putin, but as you may know (fortunately, in my opinion), Berlusconi is no longer president of Italy because he was beaten in the political elections. All this was possible because, although he has so much money, we are in a democracy. There are laws that even though he has a few TV channels, he can not make political propaganda a few days before the election (it's called par condicio).
Moreover, the political leader can not control the army.
In addition there is a constitution that can only be changed by parliament (President in Italy controls the government, but not the parliament)... also every law must be signed by the president of the republic (that is elected by the parliament that is elected by citizens).

Certainly in a democracy there is less political stability (and all complain that things are going bad)... Also non-election winners never miss a chance to go against the winners. But democracy is still an asset that everyone implicitly considers essential.

Mussolini was an Italian dictator. Under him there was political stability, and had a paramilitary army.
But at that time everyone at school had to be fascists. Also he made the fake elections.
And in the end this led at the entrance of Italy in the disaster of World War II with Hitler.
It was only thanks to the defeat of Italy against the Americans, and to the courage of the Partisans though now in Italy there is democracy.

In Italy there are many things that do not go. Many politicians are corrupt, steal. But there is still freedom of choice.
And the Italian strong, long and precise constitution prevents anyone going to the government to change the country to be a dictatorship. Because you need lots of time and a really large majority to actually change some line in the constitution (and some of the most important line cannot be changed at all like freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of speech/religion/sexual orientation, equality between right of men and women in work and private life etc...). It's a long and very well-made constitution. Unique of its kind.

Even in Russia there is a constitution, that's why Putin had to elect a puppet for a while... But unfortunately, in Russia you still have several problems of lack of democracy.

I think that only the Russians have the right to change Russia (if they want to change it). I can only tell you, that anyone outside Russia, sees Russia as a dictatorship... I'm sure that if Russia is really free as you say, sooner or later will win another political party. My priority is to think of Italy and Europe (which, unfortunately, in this period is full of racism against the desperate immigrants fleeing by ISIS).

While I tend to agree with your definition, the only free country is then a planet, and its called moon.

:D

This is exactly the trash your head produces if you feed it with local "news". Come to the affected region, talk with local people and then build opinion. If you can't, expect your opinion to have extreme amount of virtual assumptions, because its built upon a cloud of fakes.

Every country changed its goverment via armed group. This includes USA. In case military stayed loyal to original state, the opposition built an army out of brainwashed civilists.


Its called presidential republic.

Cult of Obama included?

When they break law, they are prosecuted - as in any other country. This is called a working law. Editors and writers who write extremist or racist material are charged by prosecution office. They often flee to their bosses though.

How come the nazis from west Ukraine tell me they actually never meet any russian troops? Uh, but if you blow up someone home with an artillery shell, you can indeed expect the survivor to take revenge. He is russian then, right?

Sure, the amount of coordinated propaganda in the west during Ukraine events was next to none. They were all singing the same thing, without any full-length uncut interviews of the actually affected.
But you can hardly make money by publishing truth, can you?

I have no idea about that Italy history so I won't comment. The only thing I think, is that Mussolini was HItlers' puppet as any other Nazi collaborateurs, and given control over media, its very easy to manipulate the public opinion.
You think there is freedom of opinion in Ukraine? Tell this to Oles Busina.

Actually learn the language and read both your news and Russian news, including regular people. You will be amazed.

You mean, its democratic, when you have two-three parties which voice different things only when there are elections, but do the very same thing afterwards? Its called a cartel and its a very easy way to fake "democracy". Also, what exactly do you want to complete for?

There are a lot of alternatives to Putin - they all work with him or support his current actions. Unless you mean Maidan-style vandals with the moto "Don't like goverment, burn it! Don't like someone, kill him! Don't like the country, sell it!"

If Putin does crap, I will. So far, he didn't.

How to call it? Political party of Random?

We did that in 1991, ended up in wrecked country.

If you dislike a law, then you do your research, collect supporters and either go to court to change it if it conflicts with existing laws, or speak to supporters in the parlament about why it should be changed.

Fire google translate on this: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BC#.D0.97.D0.B0.D0.BA.D0.BE.D0.BD_.D0.A0.D0.BE.D1.81.D1.81.D0.B8.D0.B8_.D0.BE_.D1.80.D0.B5.D1.84.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B5.D0.BD.D0.B4.D1.83.D0.BC.D0.B5

Constantly, if the opponents are constructive and prove their point with real facts and not vague speeches. The opponents, who prefer collecting crowd for street stunts or other unlawful forms usually have more interviews with law enforcement.

He got beaten by a huge black PR about his sexual appetite. Am I wrong?

If its a puppet country, then yes.
If its a real independent country, then president must be chief of the army. This is no different from USA.

Absolutely same as in Russia. And this template can be very easy bypassed, if there is a cartel (major coalition) in the parlament, which happens in Europe nearly always.

If you keep repeating "democracy" more often, it won't make it a less empty word.
There is either goverment operating on principle of written law, or its a corrupt self-locked goverment.
If the written law is supported directly by the population (and not by indirect vote), then its democracy - otherwise its oppresive law.
Russia is currently in the state, where goverment has increased amount of executive power, but the laws it accepts and actions it does are supported by the majority of the population. Previously, it was a corrupt goverment with low executive power and the country was ruled by the rich and criminals (Yeltzin era).

So you imply one must be defeated by Americans in order to be considered democracy? I thought Italy was liberated - not defeated, and by Allies - not by Americans. Talk about propaganda.

No offense, but I see nothing unique here.

Because Russians refused to "be defeated by Americans" in order to accept what you call "democracy".
There were strong challenges within the country, which required strong goverment for stability, which was - by far not very welcomed in the population, but the majority would still prefer that to 1991 chaos. You can't build upon chaos, chaos causes fragmentation and alienation as new control groups appear and sparkle new power wars. Progress requires consolidation, dialogue and cooperation.

Anyone who got nuked by anti-russian propaganda and believed it.

They are not fleeing from ISIS, to big part they are ISIS or are completely unrelated. And I can easily back this up and had done so in this thread before, by street interviews with these tourists.

Lol, no. in US people "elect" 500 people, which would vote for president. There are cases, where president was appointed by this committee after failing major vote.
Merkel wasn't elected at all. She gets place as leader of the party, and rules for 16 years already.
"Putin's pets" can lose elections, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Roizman
won in 2013 elections over representative of "Putin's party". You can see on this page how much of black PR were used against him.

Um, what? Failed coup happened in 1993 against Yeltsin, which showed himself as utter incompetent retard, he fucked up country to default and starvation. When he was on the brink of being killed by angry mob, he resigned and gave place to Putin. Putin did solve huge problems, like bleeding wound in Chechnya and regained government control over stolen by Yeltsin's friends actives. This gave him huge credit of trust, which he didn’t use for golfing, like Obama, we got Superjet flying, great infrastructure in Sochi, new launch pad…
Again, I'm reading YOU right now. You can link ANY news me right now. Is this how you control media? By giving free internet access? Get some realism pill, China has it’s Great Firewall (which has a lot of holes in it, you can google it! People do get access to inner China network, Chinese people read the same internet like you and me right now, etc), there is nothing like that firewall in Russia.
Should I post screenshot with New York times or BBC opened? These are definitely uncensored, US says so. Even US agencies confirm that they are free.
So, um, yes, government does regulate these things, there are laws which tell how you do education (like amount of hours, weight of textbooks), or referendums, government pays wages to deputies, parliamentarians and teachers, repairs schools… It’s absolutely normal workflow.
I live in Simferopol, maybe I know better? http://i.imgur.com/3tCaiPk.jpg
Ukraine can go fuck itself, which it does. Thanks to the help from democratic US, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Jaresko they consistently score #1 as worst economy in the world. Because they take credits from US to buy garbage from US. Then pay to US % for these credits. But, yeah, Russia invaded, sure. Go fuck yourself with the rest of the world.
That’s sounds so retarded, honestly. “Help, evil Putin doesn’t let me post anything in the Internet on US hostings”. Surprise – it’s legal and isn’t regulated by Russian laws, because, well, hosting aren’t in Russia. We have newspaper, which lost 26 cases about falsifications in the jury, last I checked. They continue to “work”. Journalism as it’s finest. This newspaper is being used for hot news in EU as “Russian newspaper posted sensational materials about invasion on Ukraine, maybe Russians will get our truth, maybe they will revolt… Nope, They are insane, insane, insane, buy US weapon to defend against evil insane Putin!!!”
Give me some examples of missing journalists, please? Other than my cousin, which was killed in Donbass by Savchenko, though.
You are missing some context. Russia is so big, that there are not enough people to cover all territory, there are a lot of things needed to be done without any relations to politic life, like organizing trash removal, water supply, cleaning of waste water, organizing environmental monitoring in places it never was done, etc… Parties in Europe compete over use of excessive money. “We should spend more on education, no we should build shelters for homeless, no we should build more jobs, so homeless can get jobs and get money for normal flats, etc”. In Russia, there is not enough money to have people compete. We are in the situation where we have Putin’s party, which gets shit done and the rest, which says “if I was president, I would’ve done better”. This “rest” doesn’t participate in municipal work, applying for minister post or second in charge to minister isn’t hard, but they don’t do it. These people only bitch in the internet about “how bad evil Putin”.
Plus, countries in Europe have big differences inside them. Western and Eastern germans, for example. Catalonians in Spain differ from the rest of it. Irish and British, Scots…
Russia, despite having exorbitant amount of nationalities, pretty homogenous, thanks to good education programs in USSR, based on equality.
Putin isn’t the key figure. He is the person, which signs papers. There is clearly seen group, which takes decisions collectively.
I actually never voted for his party or Putin. But right now I would’ve done it. I’m ok with the results of his presidency.
I did. About something like Internet-party. But thing is, if I want to get shit done, it’s better to join Putin’s party, which already has resources and reputation and get shit done.

I participated in writing one (related to reforms in water resource management, accommodating Best Available Technology basis), currently rewrite 3 more and there is a chance that I would work on fourth.
That’s dumb. If a law is wrong, you can write into court.
Russian problem in laws isn’t related to dumb or strict rules (like in US, where precedent system is used), our problem are vague texts, which need clarification.
Can you name political decisions, done by Putin, which are worth debating? Big, single-handed decision?
Russian political scene since 1990: People which wanted to do good for Russia, worked, People, which wanted to pillage Russia through shady schemes joined Yeltsin’s team. When Yeltsin’s rule ended with a disaster, Putin and his team got shit done. Some things could’ve been done better for my taste, but c’est la vie.
He didn’t get majority of parliament in a blink of an eye, you know. Many small parties consolidated over time, joining to the winner.
Can you think for a moment about conception that Putin does what majority wants, which is absolutely normal for democracy?
I know, I know. How can you even think about visiting Sochi ski resort in evil gaykilling dictatorship Russia, let’s buy oil from gayfriendly Saudi Arabia. Or how can you not buy US weapon against evil dictatorship Russia, you need this weapon for protection. Russians dream about dying during capture of more territory, so other Russians would gain possibility to build Lithuanians new Nuclear point plant instead of the one built during USSR and sold during independence, for possibility to build Estonians new trade fleet instead of built during USSR and sold during independence, etc…

I cannot change history Italy was defeated in World War 2 by USA, Uk, France and URSS.
In the end there was 2 power at the end of World War 2 USA and URSS, and Italy was on the west side (but we got both communist and democristian political parties).
Pay attention, I did not say that a country have to be defeated to gain liberty.
I said that italy paid that price (and the price of many italians) to gain liberty.
Also I don't know if Mussolini was a puppet of Hitler or not (after all Hitler was "ispired" by Mussolini dictatorship), but I don't think it matters. Mussolini like Hitler was a criminal. Still if we look at history at the end of the war with Republic of Salò, Mussolini was a puppet of Hitler.

you are both right and wrong. Berlusconi has had a lot of PR (mainly for tax evasion).
he always got away.
That process has only forced him to not stand for elections directly.
But his political party has still not taken the majority (even in provincial before the fact).

I carefully read what you wrote. What I read made me smile, you also have many preconceptions towards other nations (in particular Germany and USA).
From what I understand, you have problems so severe that you have put in power a man who can solve them.
And from what you say since the state of emergency you all agree.
I sincerely hope to be wrong about Russia. If you're right in a few years when things will get better it will be born some serious political party.
Because there is also the ability to disagree without "making noise".

In any case I do not agree with many things that you said especially the invasion of Ukraine. The invasion of another country is what started the Second World War.
There is no justification for that risk.
Also I do not agree on buying oil from Arab countries. I don't think Saudi Arabia is better than Russia (on the contrary I think that Saudi Arabia is the country most connected with ISIS, and we have to fight ISIS together). But those who arrive in despair on a boat, and hundreds die every day ... are not connected ISIS. They are civilians who runs away from a war.
(At least those who arrive in Italy. At least the vast majority).

Actually I'm also against the use of oil. Because I believe that the future is renewable energy (eg solar panels).
I do not have enough money to mount the solar panels, but for now I have replaced the car with the bike as my job is close enough.

I'm sorry I do not have time to respond to everything that you have written. Thank you for the interesting exchange of views.