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Dessimu: ......
If you ran a political campaign,....
But seriously, Trump and the whole Gen. Pershing thing?!?!

Good Grief.
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flubbucket: The Crowd Pleaser

Golden Rain

Fourth F

Hoohah

Rooster Sausage

Your father

Jugs
Fixed it for you
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Bookwyrm627: You did do your job quite well, eating two kills and a role block before going down.
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Krypsyn: Like the cliche says: Even a broken clock gets it right a couple times a day. :P
Statsitically speaking a broken clock (if it stands still) is the most precise clock at all. Half of the day it is ahead, the other half it loses time. But on average it is precisely correct, which no running clock is.
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Ixamyakxim: I'm the only well-married upstart worthy of seeing that fortune and I will NOT see Ms. Jones shoot, stab and sleep her way to it!
I just noticed that going back. You state yourself, that you are an upstart who just married for the money. If that's not an admission of ill intent, I don't know what is.


unvote
vote Ixamyakxim


(but that is flavour again. And actual game wise I still find the voting behaviour of Krypsyn's little gang more suspicious and I'd prefer to either lynch Krypsyn or Dessimu. And since no one else is voting Krypsyn any more I'll vor Dessimu instead. He placed the fourth vote after all. Without a good reason. Which is a bit much.)

unvote Ixamyakxim
vote Dessimu
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Bookwyrm627: For example, maybe I and my youngest sister are in cahoots, and we recruited the bastard to do the dirty work.
Always the bastard...

But yeah, my feeling is that it's unlikely the roles come with alignment and the plot is pre-made.



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CSPVG: For instance, I could see a scenario in which Lifth, dedo and a third person (depending on who you like for flavour purposes, this could be Krypsyn, Rwarehall, or trentonlf) make up the mafia team from a flavour perspective. One of them sleeps with Lifth's character, has an illegitimate son (dedo), and then plots to take the family's money and live happily ever after, kind of thing.
Thing is I am YOUR bastard son, not your wife's. Dad. Don't you know your own backstory? Or did you just pick on the "kill dudes and take the skrilla" part?
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Lifthrasil: ...
With no crazy remarks, Lift, it really looks to me that you want to vote for us just because we voted most loud or most distinctly. There are still some who did not vote at all and some who voted quietly and did not attend to the game much. I strongly suggest you reconsider your voting.

As per my votes. Jumping on a wagon was my very first RVS vote with pretty much no reason. Check it - vote with some flavor-wise nonsense.

And what about my latest vote on Ixamyakxim? You, dear Catherine are the second person who has completely ignored my behavior, reasoning, guesses and hypothesis after the first vote placed. You and cristigale. You both act in the very same way. At the moments you voted me, you both "reasoned" that "Dessimu's jump on a wagon is suspicious". But at the same moments, this wagon that you refer to, has already been dismantled. Take a look through the posts and tell me if I am lying.

So, why do you both are so eager to suspect me, reasoning with the wagon that has already gone before you voted me? Why have not mentioned anything about my vote on Ixamyakxim? It's as if you are trying to cast suspicions on me, leaving all other indications aside.

I am already expanding too much. By do not like your and cristigale's strange votes. Because they are implied in a way that twists the truth about my behavior. What's more, I find Erin's (Ixamyakxim's) change of heart suspicious. It happened after I clearly said I do not trust her. Her daughter (flavor-wise) voting me for anything strengthens my theory that mommy and her little angel are working together. And since you, Lift, sound just like cristigale, I think you might be working together.

My suspects now are Ixamyakxim, cristigale and Lifthrasil. Vote stays on Ixamyakxim.
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Lifthrasil: Statsitically speaking a broken clock (if it stands still) is the most precise clock at all. Half of the day it is ahead, the other half it loses time. But on average it is precisely correct, which no running clock is.
Accuracy is a bitch though. However, you are quite right, it has a precise, triangle wave, variance.
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Lifthrasil: ...
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Dessimu: With no crazy remarks, Lift, it really looks to me that you want to vote for us just because we voted most loud or most distinctly. There are still some who did not vote at all and some who voted quietly and did not attend to the game much. I strongly suggest you reconsider your voting.
No, I don't find you suspicious because you voted, but because you further pushed a fast moving train. One vote in RVS is still random. A second vote on the same person too. A third vote not so much. A fourth vote, without actual reason, on the same person during RVS is definitely NOT random any more. It's just trying to push a wagon. You put RWarehall on L-3. That means if scum were not already on the wagon, they could have speedlynched (unlikely that they do that on Day 1, but still risky). So, please explain to me, what made RWarehall so suspicious in your eyes that he deserved putting a fourth vote on him? What town reason was there, for piling on so quickly?
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Lifthrasil: No, I don't find you suspicious because you voted, but because you further pushed a fast moving train. One vote in RVS is still random. A second vote on the same person too. A third vote not so much. A fourth vote, without actual reason, on the same person during RVS is definitely NOT random any more. It's just trying to push a wagon.
Normally I'd be on board with you here but on Day One by all means, please everyone push wagons! I have Mafia ADD and it acts up worst on Day One.

I'm still more suspicious of you for your constant accusations, often based solely on flavor. Seems like you're planting seeds to grow into lynch-able plants later on. But let's be honest, who really knows at this point.
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Lifthrasil: So, please explain to me, what made RWarehall so suspicious in your eyes that he deserved putting a fourth vote on him?
None at all. Considering your insight about how many votes were made, I can see my voting on RWarehall (post 83) as a bad play. But can there really be a bad play on Day 1, especially when whole lot of you do not speak in here and we have nothing to go on? The thing that made me place this vote was having fun in going along with my role-family. However, I have admitted (post 95) that there was no reason for voting RWarehall BEFORE you placed your vote on me (post 184) and BEFORE cristigale placed vote on me (post 129). In other words, you did not make me understand a new truth right now - I have seriously thought it over already and made a valid vote instead.

If you town, you are mislead by the lack of involvement in the game from at least of third of players. If you are scum, you are pushing my wagon together with cristigale, based on old RVS news and ignoring new news. Bookwyrm is voting out of the blue (post 135). Unless I get a normal explanation, this is most definitely a wagon pushing.
My God. The game the started and you are worried about lack of involvement. It usually takes a few days before anyone gets serious at all. That is why pushing a wagon during RVS is so suspicious. Your action, 4th on a nothing train during RVS, is scummy as heck. The only reasons I'm not all over you are that you are rather new and its very early in the game. Of course I only have you about the 3rd most scummy at present...
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Lifthrasil: So, please explain to me, what made RWarehall so suspicious in your eyes that he deserved putting a fourth vote on him?
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Dessimu: None at all. Considering your insight about how many votes were made, I can see my voting on RWarehall (post 83) as a bad play. But can there really be a bad play on Day 1, especially when whole lot of you do not speak in here and we have nothing to go on? The thing that made me place this vote was having fun in going along with my role-family.
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Allright. Since you are new, I'll accept your explanation for now. Just for future reference: that is what one tries on Day one: watch out, who is too eager to push a wagon. Or who is hiding behind other players too much. Or hiding behind lurkiness. etc.
Of course scum know what town are looking for and try to avoid that behaviour. Still, to win they have to try to lead town to lynch one of their own. But that's something one can only analyze on Day 2, when looking at the train of someone whose alignment has been revealed.

What I do on Day 1 normaly is:
1. look for someone who's over-eager or acting suspiciously (you, in this case)
2. if that fails, lynch a lurker
3. try to remember who said what, so that one can later compare to revealed facts to catch a liar (town should NEVER EVER lie!)

It is still possible, that your over-eagerness was a scum mistake. That you saw a chance to push a wagon and took it, not knowing that town is looking for something like that exactly. Or it was an honest town-lost-in-playing-flavour mistake. Hard to tell at the moment. But for now I'll

unvote Dessimu

and look for another target.
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RWarehall: Of course I only have you about the 3rd most scummy at present...
And who are the lucky No.1 and No.2?
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RWarehall: Of course I only have you about the 3rd most scummy at present...
I don't know if you followed last game but Dessimu proved to be quite capable so there is absolutely no reason to cut him slack just because he is new. Being early is a bit better but on D1 usually the small things are what gets the game going.



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Lifthrasil: It is still possible, that your over-eagerness was a scum mistake. That you saw a chance to push a wagon and took it, not knowing that town is looking for something like that exactly. Or it was an honest town-lost-in-playing-flavour mistake. Hard to tell at the moment. But for now I'll

unvote Dessimu

and look for another target.
Then again a tip from a fellow scum buddy before the first night might also be helpful to keep things in line. As, Ix said before

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Ixamyakxim: But let's be honest, who really knows at this point.
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dedoporno: I don't know if you followed last game but Dessimu proved to be quite capable...
This time is different.