Also, maybe you could have made universal back-up a backup only to those NKed by Mafia. So he doesn't get desperado.


I know, and it's actually what inspired me to put it in Harry Potter game. But I was referring to recent games. 58 was like millenia ago.

Thanks for the memes. Those were priceless.

Trent, thanks for hosting! Very good game, everyone and congrats to Town!

And I'd like to apologise to Town for dropping the ball. What I did was very foolish, bordering on m---nic. I keep complaining how I get NKed N1, and when I finally wasn't instead of being useful to Town in a way that doesn't involve dying, I well... went and killed myself.

Definitely a fun game to read. Thanks to Joe for all those memes :D

@Joe: Don't worry, I only trust in tells like that when I'm not playing. If I'd been in the game myself, I'd have constructed an elaborate theory which'd have convinced me you were town after all.

Loved the memes - sad they weren't misdirection! :D

@bjgamer: lovely to see you playing. Hope there'll be many more games to come!

Thanks to trent for hosting (sorry for not being able to step in when asked; definitely the right choice for me, though), and to everyone for playing and providing much entertainment! :)

Hi there! Did we win?

Sorry for droppibg out. The family crisis is over by now. Everybody is fine again. But next week we'll be in vacation to recuperate. I'll be available in the usual amount from September on.

Yes. Your shot really helped.
Good to hear!

Thanks Trent and everybody for the game.


Glad to hear things are better, have a great holiday and don't forget to come back to us :)

I gotta agree with everything here. Hoping to see much more of BJGamer in the future. And LostInADream (formerly Dreamia) too, if she ever feels willing to give the game another try.

Now those are good news. Glad to hear whatever bad stuff happened is over. Hope you and your family enjoy the vacation and you get back in in your best shape.

Having been somewhat in their position I understand them perfectly. Eventually you know there is simply no way to win. From that point on you simply lose all the incentive and the most you can muster is going through the motions.
If the game stops being fun AND the other side's victory is assured wouldn't you concede? We see it all the time with chess players. No professional chess game lasts until a checkmate.
It's enjoyable to BE in the position of making your opponent squirm, but actually forcing them to stay is being a bad sport, IMO.

Yeah! You broke Trent's setup in a way he hadn't anticipated so we won on D2. :P
Don't apologise, it's fine (and was key to victory). Glad everything's ok though!
Mafia isn't comparable to chess. In chess, the winner knows they've won at the same time the loser knows they've lost.
In mafia, if the town's victory is assured only the mafia actually know that for sure. That's why the mafia conceding is disappointing, because it's a spoiler. Someone just tells you the end of the book instead of letting you read it for yourself. Not knowing what the mafia roles are means not knowing what might happen next.
And from the mafia side, I think there's fun to be had in stringing the town along even if you know you've lost. The fun of a game is in the playing, not the winning.

As an example of not being able to know we'd won, we got Joe's role completely wrong and although we correctly guessed dedo was a mafia bookie, we didn't know if he already had a saved shot and we also suspected he was a strongarm.

I never thought like that. You have a point there.

Well here I think it's a fundamental difference between us. I don't mind losing but a victory should be an attainable goal. Otherwise you'll see me become a nihilist mid-game.
"Eh, I could write a post that points the flaw in their reasoning but, why do I care? The game will be lost and someday we're all going to die and the sun will explode either way. I'd rather just shrug."
When I first realized that the scum team could be dedo and Joe I imagined that the scumchat should be rated PG-13 or higher.
I was not disappointed.

Fair enough. You kept going a long time in the HP one, but I guess it's because you had me whispering sweet nothings in your ear!
They are my favourite couple. I pronounce them the Unsuppressible Duo!

That is a good example. In that game I could have backed out under the pressure of being one against some 9 townies, but the fact that the game wasn't mathematically lost was one factor that made me decide to continue. And your help was the other factor that pushed me back on my feet.

I see your point there, the difference between the slimmest chance imaginable and no chance. Still, in this game I would rather have had a short night just to see what dedo would do (who would he kill? Looks like it was going to be me in the event of a no-lunch).