On one hand, Mr. Henson is forgetful. This is not the first time he mentions it and not the last time, so I will give it to him. On another, if you're crumbing, at least do it right. Your PR was defined for you in the PM. It's not like Trent came up and said, "Welcome GymHenson, you are a Power Role. You can visit people at night to do a night action on them."

I'd expect a crumb to be specific. For example, talking about commutes and commuting to hint at a commuter role. Or cleverly encoded messages. Being a sPoRtsman ain't one of them, chief.



...who did I vote again? I forgot. Well until I DO remember:
I got a shotgun on your head, Billy Billy.

No, I didn't miss it. I just didn't answer.

OK, my answer to this question is: As a general rule one claims when he's at L-1, or close to lynch. Without knowing specifics, I really can't help you more than this.

Thanks. Tbh I mainly do it in case we have newcomers who might not know that or regulars who might forget somehow...that way people know and react accordingly to my posts and play style.

And I repeat...well everyone knows by now(I assume) why I do that...so moving on.

If you read the posts to ZFR and others you'd see that there is a slight town benefit to keeping my PR unknown. I'd have crumbed it earlier if I knew how to do it correctly, though(i.e. without losing said town benefit much or at all).

(I might go another strategy route and claim if enough want it, though that'd lose some of that town benefit....so it's up to y'all)

This made me chuckle a bit....the wording...so thanks for that.

No, no, no, no. Your question wasn't about whether you should claim.

Your question was whether you should claim "to keep from being a distraction to town and to allow them to focus on other players to find actual scum". Big difference.

Post 164 ZFR: "What question do you want me to answer?"

Also why didn't you answer.....why didn't you even say something like "don't feel like answering" or something to at least acknowledge you saw those questions?

Then in your opinion would be it pro town and/or wise in general for a town to claim BEFORE those situations if it would help other town focus more on the rest of the players to find scum?

I cut down the question to save time and typing. But I DID post the full one a few times as well as of late.

"Without knowing specifics, I really can't help you more than this."

But I was asking you if you thought it was a good idea, generally speaking. That shouldn't need specific info....just your own leanings on that particular matter.

But moving on.....here's a couple that perhaps you can answer: Why did you note my crumbing in that earlier post? Why not keep it to yourself?

Is it pro-town play, in general, to point out a player's crumbing to the entire player base?

It. Depends. On. The. Specific. Situation. You. Have. To. Weigh. The. Risk. Vs. Reward. Which. I. Can't. Do. Because. I. Don't. Know. The. Specifics.

Because I was asked why I Town read you. I can't say "because reason". Because at least one Mafia person has noted it, which means the whole Mafia team know about it or at the latest will know about it by Night, so there is no reason not to bring it out to the open and discuss it.


Normal crumbing? No. Your "crumbing"? Yes.

The problem with that is that the specifics(if I posted them) would out my PR, thus in effect being a claim.

The most I could say is perhaps this: the risk would be near or fully "nerfing" my PR, and one of the rewards would be me not being a distraction to fellow town as much or perhaps at all.

But any amount of advantage would be a good thing for town, no? And it's unlikely all would've seen it, I think.

So then why not at least save such knowledge until later?

For Town to know something, *ALL* of them have to know it (or at least a voting majority for it to be effective).
For Mafia to know something *ANY* of them have to know it.

Yes, any amout of advantage is a good thing for Town, which is why I was giving those few who might have missed it the knowledge that Mafia almost certainly had.

If the probability of not seeing your crumb is p, close to 0. Then the probability of Mafia as a team not seeing it is p^n where n is the number of Mafioso, in this case p^2.

If there is a 20% chance of missing your breadcrumb (a really conservative assumption), then there is a 4% chance of Mafia not seeing it.

Mafia saw it.

But are we 100% certain? But again, you make some convincing points...so yer off the table(voting wise) as far as my vote is concerned for the now.

You sound convincing here(though the math flies over my head atm....been out of school a long time now, so a good chunk of my high level maths skills have gone the way of the dodo, sadly)...plus would scum really go to all this trouble to essentially paint a target on their backs(by replying so much to me)? Probably not. So for now(unless something major changes my mind later, or I have no other options):

Unvote ZFR

That's why I asked you if you know what breadcrumbing is used for. You do NOT breadcrumb because you want Town to know you have a PR, while keeping this fact hidden from scum. Mafia have multiple sets of eyes connected to a single consciousness so anything you try to surreptitiously pass will be picked up by Mafia much quicker than by Town, where it's every pair of eyes for itself.

You breadcrumb to hide a fact from *everyone* until such a time when it's revealed to *everyone*. You can't pick and choose who will get your crumbs and who won't.

I hate to vote jump, but after this I do see the possibility that GR got a strange role, misunderstood the strategy behind it and ended up doing what he did.

Unvote Gym

Good points and advice. Will try to do better re: that in the future.

To be 100% honest there were two strategies listed....a riskier yet potentially more rewarding one, and a safer yet potentially less rewarding one. You can likely guess which one I went with.

As for what I said before(To ALL): I now see there is some benefit to town(mainly a sure town vote, and some other factors) if I claim....so I might claim before end of D1 anyways.

That is sad to hear, but RL comes first(I also hope it's nothing serious).

Have a good one, and as always stay safe and well.

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Aside to everyone else: Is this game cursed or what? o.0