Yeah, well, I got the Parity Cop example too as part of the clarifications I got to my inquiries, so if I got it, and you got, chances are that others got it too, cristigale included, so I'm not sure how telling it really is of her claim being truthful.


It was not about the way you questioned him. It's that none of your questions touched on that specific part of his post, which, imo, was far from being a small bit or piece. Perhaps I'm biased, because I knew all along that I protected cristigale on N3, but going from "I tried to kill her and failed" to "so someone else tried to kill her at the same time" is a pretty big jump when, as you yourself said, a number of other things could have, and one did, prevented her death.


When and where did I say that I find you more suspicious? I just don't find you less suspicious.

For instance, I'm not sure I buy your claim of being Wesley Gibson (from Wanted) as the one-shot Town Vigilante. Wesley Gibson was the son of an assassin, who himself became a member of an international guild of assassins, and takes them out to revenge his father's death. How does his backstory supposedly make you Town Vigilante, and a one-shot at that, in our setup?


You say that if I or cristigale are Mafia, "he will win the game on the spot". I assume that "he" refers to me, but if cristigale's Mafia, why and how do I still win the game on the spot?

You then go through the case of "If HSL is who he claims to be he can block me so cristi can investigate me" - if both of us are who we say, and you're also town as you claim, and flubbucket flips Town on Lynch... why didn't the game end N3?

And you also touch lightly on the case of a neutral-cristigale, but only in the context of not using my Vigilante ability on you.

What if flubbucket flips Town on Lynch, and cristigale is not who she claims to be? If she's Mafia or Neutral with a killing ability, what stops her from killing you, or better yet me since, in this case, I'm the one standing in her way to victory? I block you, so even if you're not who you claim to be, you can't do anything unless you have a Strongman ability hidden in your sleeve, and she kills me. If you are who you claim to be, you and Town are screwed, if you're not, the outcome depends on what role and abilities you actually have.


I don't disagree with it being noteworthy, I'm just saying that after he clarified about drealmer7 and Bookwyrm627, clarifying about the double tap didn't feel as standing out more. Your pointed question about the double tap seemed like you found it more noteworthy, hence my initial reply to you.

Yeah sorry, for a moment there I thought only about the part I mentioned.

From what I recall, he expected people to flip exactly the way he investigated them since he had the info about the quotes, and was more puzzled that he didn't get them in his results. Are we saying the same?

As I said, the part about him killing drealmer7 I find the most believable. I also can't find a good enough, logical reason for lying about trying to kill you two Nights in a row, other than not taking responsibility for the deaths of Lifthrasil and JMich perhaps. Though in regards to the unaccounted deaths of the latter two, I'm more inclined to think that the liar is among those having claimed to have no killing ability. And given the flavour, I assume that their killer doesn't have a gun.

What I find hard to believe is how these neighbourhood watch and Zimmerman backstories fit in with the very flimsy reasons he gave for picking his targets, and being so determined to kill you. I'd think that a Town Vigilante with a neighbourhood watch background would be a little more careful, if not serious, about who he goes out to kill. More so after seeing the number of N1 dead bodies. I mean, he's supposed to be town aligned, and contribute in eliminating all threats to Town. And at least as what N2 and N3 concerns, there were more suspicious targets to pick than you. Especially, N3 - even if he didn't initially believe trentonlf, and we all doubted him, after his clear Town flip he should have reconsidered, shouldn't he?

It just doesn't add up.


OK, this does make sense in the context of it working as a balancing tool, as I thought at first glance. But mentioning another role, and how its use in it would be diminishing, is still pretty confusing to me.


I obviously won't volunteer to be lynched. Not only because it's anti-town on principle, but more so because I trust neither of you and flubbucket to be who you claim to be. flubbucket is a claimed killing power, with nothing really supporting he's on Town's side, and you too may have a killing ability you're keeping concealed; someone killed JMich and Lifthrasil, and it was not me, nor do I think it was flubbucket. If cristigale is who she claims to be, Town stands no chance, unless, as she said, you two kill each other. And since neither of the two of you is dumb, and having discussed it this much, can she really expect you to go that route?


I see that dedoporno voted, which means that both flubbucket and dedoporno have each one vote. I need to think about where my vote's going.


@cristigale, any last thoughts?

Though I think both dedoporno and flubbucket are some form of anti-town, I can unfortunately only vote one, so I'm inclined to go for the claimed killing role.


Vote flubbucket

I started a reply to dedo earlier about my take on you and him. I wish I had something more concrete. Took a break and got some supper, the break didn't result in additional clarity.

If flubb is telling the truth about his actions, one of dedo or you must be lying about your role. In terms of roles and balance, flub and your roles seem to make more sense for town. My role needs luck to be useful, trent's role and the flips had something unusual going on. Flub and your role both provide town with a little bit more teeth. A 1-shot vigilante seems a under-powered, if dedo and I are the remaining town. If there is a third town, the 1 shot makes more sense in regards to balance. You claimed last. If your lying, you had the luxury of tailoring your claim to the info provided. Dedo's posts sound like town but I wonder if he isn't trying to do that. I should qualify that with I found myself skimming through the portions of your and dedo's interactions that felt like arguing for the sake of it.

For me it come down to, I am more convinced that flubb is lying (about part of his claim), than I am about either of dedo or you. Flub's claimed name continues to strike me wrong. It's a purposefully fake name while the other names are either from real people or characters with names that have a genuine bent to them. I tend to agree that his reasons for purportedly trying to kill me twice in a row does not sound like it comes from a pro-town mindset.

Refresh - I see you voted. It feels right.

Vote flubbucket

Lynch has been achieved with everyone voting Flubbucket except Flubbucket...

As you have become accustomed to, the majority hands over the "victim" to the community Elders for "questioning".The Elders come back a little while later...he was a tough nut to crack, but is certainly part of the Mafia...
We also found out that HijacK worked as a bodyguard in the past and docbear was well-known to be a hitchhiker.

"You did a good job today. Let's see if that were enough. Sleep tight."

If you have a chat, you may begin posting now. If you have night actions, please submit them in a timely manner.

And the night passes...in the morning, Cristigale is found dead...and next day passes with Dedo and Hyper pointing fingers at each other asking each other to vote themselves to no avail ending in a no-lynch. Late in the next night, two lost souls meet each other in the dark of night each intent on murdering each other...

"So why are you awake this late, Hyper? Go back to bed!."

"And why are you awake so late Dedo? Maybe you should go back to bed..."

"And where did you get that gun, Hyper?"

"I could ask you the same question..."

The conversation continues on for more than an hour. They each discuss their joy at killing with each other and decide then and there they are not ready for retirement. Instead they hatch a "master plan". They both go out the back door and carry on in their killing ways.

Hyper and Dedo win! The rest of the world loses as they carry on their killing ways.

Hope you enjoyed this bastardized unusual game!

The END!
quicktopic.com/52/H/QS8n9arTLmt9 - Dead thread

Gamma/JMich
You are Gil Grissom - “Town” Bodyguard of Arsonist who is a former crime scene investigator.
You knew your town had a serial arsonist and probably could have identified him, but unknown to most, you are a contract killer. Over time, you established a line of communication with the arsonist. While you have never met, the Arsonist would warn you about impending fires, so you could use them to dispose of your own hits.

Power #1 - You detect and flip as “Town”.
No one caught on and you had a very successful career as a CSI.

Power #2 - Night Kill
You are a compulsive killer, but you are also very careful about it. You've been killing so long, you have a sort of sixth sense about it. Every night, starting with Night 1, you must target another player. Should any other player target your intended kill with any power, you sense their presence and do not follow through with the kill that night out of self-preservation. As it applies to common roles, a Watcher will never be able to see you kill anyone, although they will know you visited the target; while a Tracker is a danger to you, as they target you but not your target. Of course, there may be other abilities which prevent a kill.

For game purposes: You pick a target. If your target does not die, either someone else targeted that player or some other ability blocked or redirected your kill in some way. You will not be told which.

Win Condition: You win when nothing prevents you from being the last alive or when you are in a Mexican standoff situation (1 Mafia vs. you – for example)

Name: ‎Gil Grissom
Alignment: “Town”
Role Title: Bodyguard of Arsonist
Occupation/Career: Crime Scene Investigator
Gun Owner: No

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: An evil twin of Gil Grissom (played by William Petersen) in the American TV series CSI
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Grissom

docbear
You are Aileen Wuornos – Neutral serial killer and famed former hitchhiker.
You just have a hard time getting along with people. It's not long before you get the thought in your head that they could use a “good killin'”. You thought maybe the calm of retirement would snap you out of it, but you look around, and there are still so many people around who need a “good killin'”.

Bookwyrm
You are John Leonard Orr - “Town” Arsonist who is a former firefighter Captain.
You've always had a fascination with fire. You became a firefighter, but when there were not enough fires to fight, you'd create some yourself. As time went on your obsession became burning people alive.

Power #1 - You detect and flip as “Town”.
Everyone loves a firefighter captain! You have saved many many lives!

Name: ‎John Leonard Orr
Alignment: “Town”
Role Title: Arsonist
Occupation/Career: Firefighter Captain
Gun Owner: No

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Leonard_Orr

Drealmer
You are Westley Roberts – Neutral hijacker and former dread pirate of the seven seas.
You were not the first Dread Pirate Roberts, nor will you be the last. You pass the title along to your successor. You still retain the costume who entertains the children, but retirement hasn't done you so well. You really miss the action. You are an expert swordsman and also and expert in poisons which you have developed an immunity over the years (especially iocaine powder). You've spent years eluding the great Tracker Humperdinck and hope he doesn't find you here.

Name: Westley Roberts
Alignment: Neutral
Role Title: Dread Pirate
Occupation/Career: Farm Boy
Gun Owner: No

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: Westley/Dread Pirate Roberts from the movie the Princess Bride
princessbride.wikia.com/wiki/Westley

Yogsloth
You are Arthur Bishop - Mafia Hitman.
You tried to retire once before, training your successor only to find he wanted to prove himself by killing you. This put you on the outs with your family essentially making you a Mafia family of one. You've come here to retire, but as you try, killing is just a little too ingrained in your psyche.

Power #1 – You detect and flip as Mafia.
You can't take the Mafia out of a former Mafia Hitman. You can make a mafia chat if you like, but it would be a lonely place!

Name: ‎Arthur Bishop
Alignment: Mafia
Role Title: International Hitman
Occupation/Career: Mechanic
Gun Owner: Yes

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: Arthur Bishop (Played by Charles Bronson) in the movie the Mechanic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mechanic_(1972_film)

Bler
You are ‎Sgt. Blain Cooper – “Neutral” soldier and former U.S. Army Special Forces.
You've spent your life fighting in every Black Ops war you could find. Your tag line is, “I ain’t got time to bleed.” But this life has taken a toll on you. Now, you just want to see people die!

Name: ‎Blain Cooper
Alignment: “Neutral”
Role Title: CIA Special Operative
Occupation/Career: Army Sergeant
Gun Owner: Yes

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: Blain Cooper (played by Jesse “the Body” Ventura) from the movie Predator
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predator_(film)

HijacK
You are a T-800 Model 101 cybernetic android - “Mafia” Serial Killer who had no day job.
After any number of attempts to kill or save Sarah and/or John Connor and various time-traveling scenarios which alternately enabled and permanently stopped Skynet, you have become rather confused. With it all resolved and no clear mission, you have just been on a random killing spree, but have learned discretion is the better course than valor.

Power #1 - You detect and flip as “Mafia”.
With the leather jacket and sunglasses you look like mafia.

Name: ‎T-800 Model 101 Cybernetic Android
Alignment: “Mafia”
Role Title: Terminator
Occupation/Career: Bodyguard (Why not? Better answer than no day job and accurate to the character)
Gun Owner: Yes

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: T-800 Model 101 Cybernetic Android (played by Arnold Schwarzenegger ) from the movie Terminator
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_(franchise)

Lift
You are ‎Floyd Lawton – Neutral marksman.
You've lived your life as a paid assassin. Your claim to fame is that you have never missed a shot. You are trying this retirement thing out, but it is making you stir crazy. You cannot help yourself now. While once you prided yourself in only killing your paid mark, now you just want everyone else dead.

Power #1 – Your shot cannot be redirected. You truly do never miss!

Name: ‎‎Floyd Lawton
Alignment: Neutral
Role Title: Marksman
Occupation/Career: Convicted criminal
Gun Owner: Yes

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: Deadshot in DC Comics.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadshot

Sage
You are Jill Armstrong – “Town” ninja assassin.
You are very hazy about your childhood. You were an American child lost in the orient and have vague recollections of being trained in a variety of martial arts. You later joined the army. You weren't always a bad person. You saved countless lives, but all the years of fighting has taken it's toll and you have flashbacks to the people you couldn't save. In these fugue states, you can't tell friend from foe.

Power #1 – You detect and flip as “Town”.
Since you are an American ninja, you have to be a good, right? And you aren't really bad, well, until you snap every night.

Name: ‎Jill Armstrong
Alignment: “Town”
Role Title: American Ninja
Occupation/Career: Army Soldier
Gun Owner: Yes

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: Joe Armstrong (played by Michael Dudikoff) in the B-movie American Ninja
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Ninja

Flub
You are Francis Right - Mafia Assassin who is a former circus clown.
Your claim to fame is the killing of cartel lord Rafael Arellano Felix in Baja California. You have used various traveling circuses as cover over the years. While you think you really want to retire after the rest of your Mafia family are either dead or imprisoned for life, you have a hard time letting the killing go.

Power #1 – You detect and flip as Mafia.
You are Mafia, but you are the last of your family left.

Name: ‎‎Francis Right
Alignment: Mafia
Role Title: Cartel Assassin
Occupation/Career: Circus Clown
Gun Owner: Yes

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: Real-life hitman who dressed up as a clown to kill a Mexican drug lord mashed up with Francis Right from the movie Mr. Right
nydailynews.com/news/world/video-surfaces-mexican-clown-assassin-article-1.1510734
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Right_(2015_film)


Cristi
You are Pat Bateman – “Town” serial killer and accomplished Manhattan businesswoman.
Everyone likes you. You are rich, successful, the life of every dinner party. You have everything! But that is not enough for you. Success and admiration only go so far. And really deep-down, you resent all the people sucking up to you. Enough that you want to kill them for sport, your own private entertainment. Even retirement cannot get you past your thirst for killing

Power #1 – You detect and flip as “Town”.
Someone as attractive and successful like you cannot be viewed as anything else.

Name: Pat Bateman
Alignment: “Town”
Role Title: American Psycho
Occupation/Career: Investment Banker
Gun Owner: Yes

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: Patrick Bateman (played by Christian Bale) from the movie American Psycho
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psycho_(film)
And our winners...

Dedo
You are Wesley Gibson - Neutral Assassin who is a former office worker.
What you didn't know is that your father was also an assassin and that those skills run through the genes. You were brought into a league of assassins but were betrayed and had to kill them all. You worked on your own for quite a long time. You want to retire, but find killing is still too much in your blood.
Name: ‎‎Wesley Gibson
Alignment: Neutral
Role Title: Professional Assassin
Occupation/Career: Account Manager
Gun Owner: Yes

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: Wesley Gibson (played by James McAvoy) in the movie Wanted
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanted_(2008_film)

Hyper
You are Robert Rath – Mafia assassin and former accountant and money manager which covered as a day job.
You are the classic variety contract killer, but when your employer turned on you for someone younger and wanted you silenced, you had to kill him, your apprentice and every tie you ever had. You are now a faction of one. You thought retirement was the next logical step, but killing is all you've known how to do in life, and it is still all you know in retirement

Power #1 – You detect and flip as Mafia.
You've worked for the mob for so long, you can't not be mistaken for one even though you are permanently on the outs with them. You have no allies and cannot be recruited.

Name: ‎‎Robert Rath
Alignment: Mafia
Role Title: Assassin
Occupation/Career: Stock Market Investor
Gun Owner: Yes

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: Robert Rath (played by Sly Stallone) in the movie Assassins
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins_(film)

And the lone town player...
Trent

You are Jerry Fletcher - Town Conspiracy Expert whose former profession is a taxi driver.
You have spent your entire life unraveling every conspiracy theory known to man. You know who killed JFK; you know about the Illuminati, you even know whether the Loch Ness monster is fake and in retirement, you have used your lifelong skills to research and analyze your fellow retirees.

And what you have discovered is very very disturbing...

Power #1 - Knowledge
Each and every one of the people in this Country Club clubhouse besides yourself is a compulsive serial killer. You are the only true Town player. Upon death, they reveal as various other factions (“Town”, Mafia, “Mafia” or Neutral), but none of the Mafia are aligned, and they are these factions by name only (Yeah, your mod is a bastard). There is a trick though. If more than one player targets the same player, no kills go off. The only night kills are players targeted by just a single SK.

It is explained to them as follows:

“Power: Night Kill
You are a compulsive killer, but you are also very careful about it. You've been killing so long, you have a sort of sixth sense about it. Every night, starting with Night 1, you must target another player. Should any other player target your intended kill with any power, you sense their presence and do not follow through with the kill that night out of self-preservation. As it applies to common roles, a Watcher will never be able to see you kill anyone, although they will know you visited the target; while a Tracker is a danger to you, as they target you but not your target. Of course, there may be other abilities which prevent a kill.

For game purposes: You pick a target. If your target does not die, either someone else targeted that player or some other ability blocked or redirected your kill in some way. You will not be told which.

Win Condition: You win when nothing prevents you from being the last alive or you are in a Mexican standoff situation (1 Mafia vs. you – for example)”

Power #2 – Bulletproof Vest (1-shot)
You have a Bulletproof Vest which is used passively. It will prevent one kill at night. This does not get expended in the event you are targeted by multiple players, just when you are targeted by a single SK.

Power #3 – Dayvig
This power may only be used when you are one of the last two players in the game. Feel free to shout it out, even after a lynch leaves just you and another. This is your way to win besides the SK killing each other all off to the last man by chance.

Win condition: You win when you are one of the last two players alive.

Name: ‎Jerry Fletcher
Alignment: Town
Role Title: Conspiracy Expert
Occupation/Career: Taxi Driver
Gun Owner: Yes

While the flavor is nice, think of the above as the only information which various investigative roles might have access to depending on type, not all of which may be available in this game.

Character Inspiration: Jerry Fletcher (played by Mel Gibson) from the movie Conspiracy Theory
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_Theory_(film)

Nice win to Dedo and HSL! Thanks for the game RW, was very fun :-D

both winners are presumably sound aslumber.

LOL! This game was even crazier than expected :D:D:D Everyone is a damn killer and liar (good liars, too - most things made sense) :D

Good game for everyone with the only slight frown at Shooty McShootpants. @flub, why didn't you just claim George Zimmerman directly?

LOL at JMich being the arsonist bodyguard again.

LOL at the second Westley (regardless of the additional "t").

Fun fact: I was going to claim another Wesley (Dodds) who is the original Sandman from the DC comics and has a gas gun to incapacitate criminals. I was going for Town Role Blocker who is a gun owner but can't kill. Only by accident I discovered there is another real-life person called Westley Dodds (added "t") who was, of course, a serial killer :D That along with the fact that all characters seemed to be either real people or from some form of cinema/tv made me drop it. Even my character's inspiration who is originally from a comic book was explicitly poiting to the movie. Now I see Lift was a comic book character but maybe for consistency the Suicide Squad movie should have been listed as the inspiration. Unless it was like that intentionally.

By the way, it seems the info provided by RW is incomplete. I was also shy and my win-con was a mexican standoff. It said I will win if I'm against a Mafia player, so I assumed I jsut kill them since I'm more skilled but I guess I was wrong and I just win with them. Still good.

I managed to get just one kill all game - I said it was yog but it was actually bler :) Sorry bler.
The other three nights I was just shooting at HSL. At my first attempt we weren't even arguing yet, but he was one of my earliest scum pings and more importantly I just didn't want to deal with his questioning and large posts later mostly because of time/RL constraints (sorry, HSL, nothing personal, I was being pragmatic) and then I just got stubborn with it. I also figured another shy killer may be after him so I was also couting on concealing the execution style kill for as long as possible as an added bonus. I thought cristi might be stopping me and I was stopping her but I had to play along with the Parity cop claim.

Last, but not least - murderous high-five to HSL! (By the way, everything I said about RL in any context was true and will always be so when it comes from me, I promise).

Thanks RW for the fun game!

Thank for hosting RWarehall. Really fun game!


Honestly dedoporno I made up the name Shooty McShootpants to expedite my lynch. I knew I was going out of town and didn't want to bog down the game. I thought the claim,NK info and obviously stupid name would make me the clear lynch. I didn't want to use the Zimmerman name because frankly I find him a sad and pathetic testament to America today. However the actual lie was kind of hard to avoid....at least I thought. It seems fewer players knew about him than I realized. This is a window into my lack of understanding of local and international media.....but I digress.


I do enjoy being mafia because of the lies. =D

Curses upon your head, Drealmer! I was looking forward to other seeing bodies hit the ground on N1!

I see, in this case I retract my frowning upon you and appologize for considering the idea that you couldn't come up with something better.

Because I did not intend people to think the double-tap was two shots coming from different people. There were intentional smoke and mirrors but I was not trying to lie to anyone in a Bookwyrm sort of way.

All the night actions are detailed in the dead thread. It's interesting that the two winners took different paths. With Hyper shot at every night (3,3,2,2) and Dedo never shot at all game.