Posted November 14, 2015
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trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
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bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
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Or, let me hit you from another angle:
But you talked yourself into believing there were subtle shades of meaning attached.
On the latter point...
sigh.
I'm not sure I agree with your framing specifically, but...you do have me thinking that I'm doing to myself what I did in the dungeon game where I let the perfect theory become a narrative, and then ultimately a distraction.
I'm not sure it would have made any difference in the game outcome at that point (however I will stand on the opinion that town could have won with a mass claim D2, moreso as the bleepin' doctor was scum), but my overriding suspicion of CSP because of said narrative is what kept me off Hijack. And that definitely sealed the game as a loss.
So, am I perfectly capable of convincing myself there's some grand scheme or narrative in play to the point that it's a distraction for me and ultimately for town? Yes. And I came into the game with a chip. Which perhaps you guessed.
G'dammit.
/unvote yogs
I will say that, if you are scum this game and win with/despite that gambit I'm going to lose my mind and just vote you every game henceforth.
And there is zero doubt in my mind you would make this play. Zero. But it probably is wrong to steadfastly insist that 'whether you would' is the most pressing question.
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trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
NON GAME RELATED
just in case anyone is interested I am hosting the Secret Santa this year, https://www.gog.com/forum/general/secret_santa_2015
just in case anyone is interested I am hosting the Secret Santa this year, https://www.gog.com/forum/general/secret_santa_2015
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P1na
Wandering fruit
Registered: Apr 2012
From Spain
Posted November 14, 2015
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Must say I'm impressed, and not in a good way.
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Let's say I'm mafia. Don't mafia types have their own private chat? Why would I need to out myself like that to the others? It doesn't make any sense! I guess you could think that, since I don't take the game very seriously, I could act against my role and actually help mafia for the laughs. That's possible I guess, I know I wouldn't break the game like that but it's not like you can see what's in my head to confirm. But even if it were true, how am I supposed to know what mafia wants me to do during the collaboration? Is someone actually going to come out and post "Hey I'm mafia, please vote for HypersomniacLive, now here's your beer"?
Or maybe, now that I think about it, there's actually some bartering mechanic going on? The setting is about votes on a council after all. I mean, my role is as vanilla as they come, the whole dying for the team and all; so if there is some voting and diplomacy going around I'm not aware of it. But this would mean that the people who find it problematic are all aware of such a mechanic and don't mind disclosing it, which is strange.
And then there's the lurking thing. I've already said, I drop by and will only post more when I think things are getting serious. People start voting for lynching me, I post more, then I'm accused of lurking and posting just before the deadline. Should I have just ignored all this then?
Bah, too much thinking too early in the morning, and I gotta work, so I'll leave it at that. I'm no good at surviving mafia games, but I got to post which was my win already. If this is as far as my play takes me, then that's that.
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bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
Ok, trying to take a fresh look at the game without my prior assumption, and particularly look at the rest of the board. Doing some non-exhaustive re-read, while admittedly watching a movie.
Wrote a ton and deleted most of it because it's too speculative and/or dull to make anyone read. Three things I'll keep that caught my attention:
3) Leonard - voting for Krypsyn because "Heh." is worse than voting for Hijack because "Girls." Krypsyn may not lay things out in a straight line all the time, but... The only real read I have is that you probably aren't neutral survivor. But that's not all that helpful a conclusion. Several theories.
2) Ix On the one hand, Ix is not reading all that different from last game in general style, but 15 posts and I'd say at last half of them give me an itch. Picking just one (aside from 438 where he mentions a question about me, but includes quotes from yogs/kryp that seem to be in reference to P1na) in 459 he mentions trying to get more votes on drealmer to see if drealmer will "spill the beans" on whether there's an SK.
Please describe a likely scenario where drealmer actually has knowledge of an SK, and getting him to "spill the beans" is both a) viable, and b) desirable. I came up with one that was viable and desirable, but only because I played in game 28. And I wouldn't describe it as "likely."
A number of arguments like that that just feel a bit off-kilter.
1) Speaking of P1na...sigh. The single most inexplicable move of the game. And before that a vote with no reason at all. Followed by a complete lack of explanation or engagement. And from a player I've never played with so I have no clue what to make of it.
When I was stuck on yogs, I wondered if this was a ploy to distract on behalf of a teammate. But even that doesn't really make sense when I think about it calmly. Why distract from a wagon that was L-5 and hadn't moved in well over 24 hours? So now back to more basic theories like "slip" or "major miscalculation."
There's really only two things keeping me off this wagon right now, one being it seems another case where D1 wagon analysis may well end up being useless. I will say, even if I turn out to be wrong about yogs, I think that wagon had analysis potential precisely because it was divisive.
If there's an actual defense of P1na's play to date, esp. in the last 24 hours, I'd like to hear it. If people who've played with P1na before are likewise flummoxed, I'd like to hear that as well.
At this moment the argument for not voting P1na seems to be "I'd rather vote drealmer" and that we're looking at the possibility of a late pile of "to avoid no lynch" votes on one or the other that don't tell us much unless we do get a scum flip.
Pre-post refresh - sees P1na has posted.
On first read, I don't know that I understand, but appreciate the effort. Am falling asleep. Will re-read tomorrow.
Wrote a ton and deleted most of it because it's too speculative and/or dull to make anyone read. Three things I'll keep that caught my attention:
3) Leonard - voting for Krypsyn because "Heh." is worse than voting for Hijack because "Girls." Krypsyn may not lay things out in a straight line all the time, but... The only real read I have is that you probably aren't neutral survivor. But that's not all that helpful a conclusion. Several theories.
2) Ix On the one hand, Ix is not reading all that different from last game in general style, but 15 posts and I'd say at last half of them give me an itch. Picking just one (aside from 438 where he mentions a question about me, but includes quotes from yogs/kryp that seem to be in reference to P1na) in 459 he mentions trying to get more votes on drealmer to see if drealmer will "spill the beans" on whether there's an SK.
Please describe a likely scenario where drealmer actually has knowledge of an SK, and getting him to "spill the beans" is both a) viable, and b) desirable. I came up with one that was viable and desirable, but only because I played in game 28. And I wouldn't describe it as "likely."
A number of arguments like that that just feel a bit off-kilter.
1) Speaking of P1na...sigh. The single most inexplicable move of the game. And before that a vote with no reason at all. Followed by a complete lack of explanation or engagement. And from a player I've never played with so I have no clue what to make of it.
When I was stuck on yogs, I wondered if this was a ploy to distract on behalf of a teammate. But even that doesn't really make sense when I think about it calmly. Why distract from a wagon that was L-5 and hadn't moved in well over 24 hours? So now back to more basic theories like "slip" or "major miscalculation."
There's really only two things keeping me off this wagon right now, one being it seems another case where D1 wagon analysis may well end up being useless. I will say, even if I turn out to be wrong about yogs, I think that wagon had analysis potential precisely because it was divisive.
If there's an actual defense of P1na's play to date, esp. in the last 24 hours, I'd like to hear it. If people who've played with P1na before are likewise flummoxed, I'd like to hear that as well.
At this moment the argument for not voting P1na seems to be "I'd rather vote drealmer" and that we're looking at the possibility of a late pile of "to avoid no lynch" votes on one or the other that don't tell us much unless we do get a scum flip.
Pre-post refresh - sees P1na has posted.
On first read, I don't know that I understand, but appreciate the effort. Am falling asleep. Will re-read tomorrow.
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
Here is
I was referring to with "the SK", as in "the SK previously mentioned/suggested might exist by someone else (flub+bookwrym) initially."
Also, If I thought there was a serial killer I think I'd be like "OMG this person is a serial killer, let's kill them!"
Also, upon reading back through a bunch of the previous posts again, my brain has stumbled upon the possibility of the existence of another faction in play here aside from the mob, pushing a secret agenda that was not directly called out as scum by QuadrAlien or anyone else yet. For me it explains more p1na's playstyle so far, as well as a couple others that don't necessarily seem scummy, but seem not quite on the same page either. It seems logical given the setup. I'd like to hear what others think about this idea.
I know, I know, I thought the same thing last game (there kind of was wasn't there? with the "backup" droids that were a pro-town group but with kind of different win conditions/parameters that had them sacrifice themself to save crew/town, if I understood it correctly, as, we've still not gotten the full info on what was what in that game yet, which I suppose I am fine with given I'd love to play that setup again!)
Okay, now catching up on the rest of the posts after 459.
I was referring to with "the SK", as in "the SK previously mentioned/suggested might exist by someone else (flub+bookwrym) initially."
Also, If I thought there was a serial killer I think I'd be like "OMG this person is a serial killer, let's kill them!"
Also, upon reading back through a bunch of the previous posts again, my brain has stumbled upon the possibility of the existence of another faction in play here aside from the mob, pushing a secret agenda that was not directly called out as scum by QuadrAlien or anyone else yet. For me it explains more p1na's playstyle so far, as well as a couple others that don't necessarily seem scummy, but seem not quite on the same page either. It seems logical given the setup. I'd like to hear what others think about this idea.
I know, I know, I thought the same thing last game (there kind of was wasn't there? with the "backup" droids that were a pro-town group but with kind of different win conditions/parameters that had them sacrifice themself to save crew/town, if I understood it correctly, as, we've still not gotten the full info on what was what in that game yet, which I suppose I am fine with given I'd love to play that setup again!)
Okay, now catching up on the rest of the posts after 459.
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
*hoping for a kind soul to give me a bump!* *twiddles thumbs* no? no one?! *twiddles*....
BOOM! 10 mins!
EBWOP!
fuck, I swear (see, I just did) I entered the link and the words "the post" and gave the link in that last post of mine...*sigh*...I haven't been getting much sleep.
here is THE POST !!!!!!!!! (never had it suck so hard in these forums to wait 10 minutes before!! ARRRR!!!)
relevant text from the post which I should have put in my previous post:
Bookwyrm627: -----
Bookwyrm627: Translation: "I totally think someone is a serial killer. Probably me."
----- *hoping for a kind soul to give me a bump!* *twiddles thumbs* no? no one?! *twiddles*....
BOOM! 10 mins!
EBWOP!
fuck, I swear (see, I just did) I entered the link and the words "the post" and gave the link in that last post of mine...*sigh*...I haven't been getting much sleep.
here is THE POST !!!!!!!!! (never had it suck so hard in these forums to wait 10 minutes before!! ARRRR!!!)
relevant text from the post which I should have put in my previous post:
BOOM! 10 mins!
EBWOP!
fuck, I swear (see, I just did) I entered the link and the words "the post" and gave the link in that last post of mine...*sigh*...I haven't been getting much sleep.
here is THE POST !!!!!!!!! (never had it suck so hard in these forums to wait 10 minutes before!! ARRRR!!!)
relevant text from the post which I should have put in my previous post:
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-----
BOOM! 10 mins!
EBWOP!
fuck, I swear (see, I just did) I entered the link and the words "the post" and gave the link in that last post of mine...*sigh*...I haven't been getting much sleep.
here is THE POST !!!!!!!!! (never had it suck so hard in these forums to wait 10 minutes before!! ARRRR!!!)
relevant text from the post which I should have put in my previous post:
Post edited November 14, 2015 by drealmer7
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
wtf just happened??? (and of course, I typed that, and then had to wait 10 minutes to post it, so it's no longer accurate as "just"...so now..."wtf just happened10 MINUTES AGO!!!!!")
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! *tries not to lose it*
I'm very sorry everyone, if it helps at all been really stressed and sleep deprived, and of course GOG forums formatting/operations suck. I guess we'll see what happens.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! *tries not to lose it*
I'm very sorry everyone, if it helps at all been really stressed and sleep deprived, and of course GOG forums formatting/operations suck. I guess we'll see what happens.
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JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
Posted November 14, 2015
Oh God, I hope you won't. While you may enjoy it, and that is what makes it fun, RP posts are harder to analyze. Not to mention it may make you an easier target, like P1na's 1st game (it was JoeSapphire btw that killed you and cleaned up after you, not me, even though I was on Joe's team).
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
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/unvote yogs
I will say that, if you are scum this game and win with/despite that gambit I'm going to lose my mind and just vote you every game henceforth.
Oh shit! I just had another paranoid thought. What if bler and yogs are both scum playing some crazy game? Okay, I think my mind can't handle mafia anymore at the moment, I'm going to go do something else (after I read the REST of the posts after 467 now...I think I can handle that, it doesn't look like TOO much.) Back at some point, err, I hope (please no modkill! can I beg? is that allowed?)
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
wtf?
bler144: 1) Speaking of P1na...sigh. The single most inexplicable move of the game. And before that a vote with no reason at all. Followed by a complete lack of explanation or engagement. And from a player I've never played with so I have no clue what to make of it. same view here.
I'd like to hear what everyone has to say about p1na at this point as to me they seem most viable lynch option as of now (good point by bler saying it could be possibly a useless flip at this point, BUT, I at least think it could besomewhat useful, perhaps just not as useful as some others, but it's still the vote I'm most comfortable with at this point. I don't try to make a lynche happen to read flips, I do it to try and catch scum/vote for the scummiest player. To me, not taking the game very seriously/to such the degree that P1na is might actually be a "policy lynch." I don't like that attitude in any game I play with people, and it certainly isn't befitting this game.
THIS IS SERIOUS, we've got to decide on who to ELIMINATE. and p1na is all "beers and reasonless votes and I don't care!!" Ummm, yep, okay, I've accumulated enough "reason" (as much as it goes on D1), it's close enough to deadline, and I don't know what will happen with my edit either, so, it's definitely time for me to vote.
Vote P1na
Hey, now I feel a bit more relaxed and am able to handle the mafia, so, if anyone wants to hear more from me, I'll be around for a bit more until I get sleepy (sleeping hours are SO WHACKED right now!)
Another thought: I would like to think that "eliminate" and "lynch" in this game mean: "remove them from the closed conference we are having and get them investigated by an authority (lifthrasil with the flip info) to determine if they are mafia or not or what their associations might be."
We, as a civil group of citizens and law-makers trying to pass a vote as a committee, shouldn't be resorting to murderings of suspected mafia members once we reach a majority vote, you know? We must give them to the proper authorities to be investigated and bring them to justice accordingly. I trust lfithrasil to not be a corrupt authority and to treat our vote selections justly and give us a fair result once they are "selected" via majority vote (errr "they", heh, or me, of course!)
See, that is RP and is completely understandable in game terms to me, because it works perfectly with the setup.
votecount, please?
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I'd like to hear what everyone has to say about p1na at this point as to me they seem most viable lynch option as of now (good point by bler saying it could be possibly a useless flip at this point, BUT, I at least think it could besomewhat useful, perhaps just not as useful as some others, but it's still the vote I'm most comfortable with at this point. I don't try to make a lynche happen to read flips, I do it to try and catch scum/vote for the scummiest player. To me, not taking the game very seriously/to such the degree that P1na is might actually be a "policy lynch." I don't like that attitude in any game I play with people, and it certainly isn't befitting this game.
THIS IS SERIOUS, we've got to decide on who to ELIMINATE. and p1na is all "beers and reasonless votes and I don't care!!" Ummm, yep, okay, I've accumulated enough "reason" (as much as it goes on D1), it's close enough to deadline, and I don't know what will happen with my edit either, so, it's definitely time for me to vote.
Vote P1na
Hey, now I feel a bit more relaxed and am able to handle the mafia, so, if anyone wants to hear more from me, I'll be around for a bit more until I get sleepy (sleeping hours are SO WHACKED right now!)
Another thought: I would like to think that "eliminate" and "lynch" in this game mean: "remove them from the closed conference we are having and get them investigated by an authority (lifthrasil with the flip info) to determine if they are mafia or not or what their associations might be."
We, as a civil group of citizens and law-makers trying to pass a vote as a committee, shouldn't be resorting to murderings of suspected mafia members once we reach a majority vote, you know? We must give them to the proper authorities to be investigated and bring them to justice accordingly. I trust lfithrasil to not be a corrupt authority and to treat our vote selections justly and give us a fair result once they are "selected" via majority vote (errr "they", heh, or me, of course!)
See, that is RP and is completely understandable in game terms to me, because it works perfectly with the setup.
votecount, please?
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flubbucket
"Intoning"
Registered: Dec 2012
From Micronesia
Posted November 14, 2015
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Must say I'm impressed, and not in a good way.
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As I clearly stated, the names listed were examples of players not specific instances of player's typical behavior.
Pedantic much??
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Ixamyakxim
Boxer Dogs Rule
Registered: Feb 2014
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
I actually read all that!
Unvote drealmer
Drealmer sorta kinda maybe mentioned it in his post (whoops!). I don't think we gain too much more from talking about it today though - food for thought for later. And I didn't want drealmer to go into a ton of detail, I was mostly interesting in whether or not we had a real reason to immediately start operating on the assumption that there was a serial killer in the game.
Unvote drealmer
Drealmer sorta kinda maybe mentioned it in his post (whoops!). I don't think we gain too much more from talking about it today though - food for thought for later. And I didn't want drealmer to go into a ton of detail, I was mostly interesting in whether or not we had a real reason to immediately start operating on the assumption that there was a serial killer in the game.
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States