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drealmer7: ya, I'ma switch it to:

Ix
fantasysci5
cristi
docbear

because lurkiness factor is higher for fantasy and cristi, and cristi's ability to appear town as scum, and because docbear has seemed super-town all game to me and as a noob cultist, it's not so easy to do, I think (though I think I would have had I rolled that my first game! hah! and I know dess kicked butt as scum right from the get-go, so, it's not super unlikely or anything, but, yeah...), so, yeah!

so do we just let agent, flub, and dess decide on what to do?

I'd love to hear from dess too, of course, how could I forget you, dess?!
I get the feeling that dess is going to be calling for my head, and I don't blame him.
So we're back. Wednesday, I expected to have to time to contribute, but didn't. By the time I got home Thursday, the lynch had already occurred.

I don't think either Ixam or Docbear can be trusted after that lynch. If one flips cult, the other is likely cult. I don't think the opposite holds true. One flipping town does not necessarily support the other as town. Either of those are my top two candidates.

Drealmer is my third pick. No one has reported any info on him yet. I find it less likely that Fantasy is the CL. If so, she didn't convert anyone the night flubb visited.

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flubbucket: Tracked cristigale last Night. She did nothing but talk to her stuffed cat and dog....I laughed. XD
I live to entertain. They are delightful companions I must say. ;-)
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drealmer7: Ix, you are as well, I take it, since you'll just go along with agent?
Here's my bottom line. There's literally NO ONE I feel is so town that I won't vote for them. ALL town need to vote a single cult player for us to even have a shot to win. At this point, if agent isn't town, we're screwed regardless. So if I vote along with agent I at least pair my vote with another town vote.

IF I lie and don't vote with agent all the remaining 5 (I hope we have 5) town players should jump on me immediately because I'm cult, and the only reason I'd go back on my pledge to vote with agent is because he's about to lynch cult and I'm the cult leader and don't want to lynch my own.

If agent isn't deprogrammer and the game is still active because the cult leader was neutralized early (and there's like only 2 cult) then LOL - so be it. But at this point I'm assuming cult is on the brink of a win and I think this is the best use of my vote.
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Ixamyakxim: Here's my bottom line. There's literally NO ONE I feel is so town that I won't vote for them. ALL town need to vote a single cult player for us to even have a shot to win. At this point, if agent isn't town, we're screwed regardless. So if I vote along with agent I at least pair my vote with another town vote.
What will you do if agent votes for you?
Crap.

I just almost finished writing the post and refreshed the page. Curse you, bloody phone thing!

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drealmer7: I'd love to hear from dess too, of course, how could I forget you, dess?!
Apparently you can't forget. But you also safely assume I was not recruited by suggesting for me, flubb and agent take the lead. How come?

And now I forgot what I wrote before...

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Ok. So I will be kind of narcissistic bastard and say that I expected to have already been recruited. However, since I am not, I see two possibilities:
1. Because I have been pushing on players who later on turned out to be town, I was not recruited on purpose. As in, let the town idiot do the work for us. That would mean docbear is not a cultist. But with that logic also goes hand in hand that cult should have been recruiting players who seem obvi-town and new players as well. And now that info about PRs has come to light - maybe even PRs. Namely, flubbucket. He is one last active power role, still recruitable.
2. BUT. If you, other townies, see that above does not apply to you, then it is highly possible CL has actually been neutralized. And I somehow want to believe that.

Anyway, we still have four unknown, unchecked players. If flubbucket is still a tracker, that mostly means cristigale is not CL. I am still suspicious of docbear, no matter who says what. But lurkers pose the biggest threat. I am willing to give Ixamyakxim a one day pass, because I believe agentcarr and that makes Ixamyakxim either town or neutralized CL. Drealmer had given much talking to analyze and judge him. Lurkers pose the biggest threat. My priority for lynching today:

Vote fantasysci
cristigale
docbear
drealmer
I'm trying not to lurk. It's a fine balance, since when I posted flavor so as not to be lurking, I wasn't contributing anything, but I've told my theories already. I somewhat believe Agent, because I feel like he would have been dealt with if not. I'm not sure about Flubb's claim, but Agent has cleared him. I am most suspicious of Ix and Docbear after what happened. I used to be suspicious of Drealmer, but he hasn't done anything lately. Don't really have an opinion yet on cristi either way.
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Dessimu: Apparently you can't forget. But you also safely assume I was not recruited by suggesting for me, flubb and agent take the lead. How come?
To see how you or others would respond to it, actually. Plus, I also think if the CL did a recruitment last night, it would be of flub, not you.

Does anyone else think we are more likely to have 3 cult instead of 4, like Ix? I'm "pretty certain" there's got to be 4 at this point. Yet he even entertains the idea that maybe there's only 2? I don't know how it works out to 3 or 2, can someone show me (Ix) the progression for those? I've got:

11v1
8v2
6v3
4v4

fantasy, don't worry too much about lurking, it's your first game, and it hasn't been egregious by any means and is an understandable thing to do when you're out of your depths in the first game or two you play (or if you're noob scum, of course. also realize you've lurked less than a good number of our regular players do EVERY game) you've participated more than a lot of first timers do and definitely made effort to play and make a good show of play for a first time play. hopefully you're enjoying yourself, don't let being called out for lurking repeatedly get you down, it's just how it goes (:
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cristigale: What will you do if agent votes for you?
Be lynched. I'll won't even need to cast a vote on myself for that one.
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Fantasysci5: I somewhat believe Agent, because I feel like he would have been dealt with if not. I'm not sure about Flubb's claim, but Agent has cleared him.
A few other people have said this as well (drealmer I think?). Flubb is not cleared. He could very well be the cult leader.

If he is, then it's the same situation as me. He can't recruit, but he can vote. And we NEED all five townies to vote on cult. Plus cult can almost control the lynch. So keep that in mind.
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drealmer7: (...)
Does anyone else think we are more likely to have 3 cult instead of 4, like Ix? I'm "pretty certain" there's got to be 4 at this point. Yet he even entertains the idea that maybe there's only 2? I don't know how it works out to 3 or 2, can someone show me (Ix) the progression for those?
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It would be pretty easy for there to be only 3 Cult. The CL targeted me one night.

It's possible there are only 2, but he would have had to skip recruiting, or target myself twice, neither of which makes much sense, IMO.

I'm inclined to think there are 3 or 4. I was wrong about 4 implying Ix is the CL, but whatever. We're in a pretty bad spot regardless.

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Ixamyakxim: A few other people have said this as well (drealmer I think?). Flubb is not cleared. He could very well be the cult leader.

If he is, then it's the same situation as me. He can't recruit, but he can vote. And we NEED all five townies to vote on cult. Plus cult can almost control the lynch. So keep that in mind.
Yeah, if he's CL then he's been neutralized, so I'm not gunning for him ATM. Also, I feel that it's very unlikely the real Tracker hasn't counterclaimed. And that flubbucket knew somehow that Bookwyrm wasn't Deprogrammer.


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Bookwyrm627: Agent is the Deprogrammer. With no counter claim, he can't be the CL.
Flub is the Tracker. With no counter claim, he can't be the CL.
Dessimu is the Vig. With no counter claim (and a single town corpse on N1), he can't be the CL.

Agent investigated Flub, Flub didn't die, so Flub is town. Therefore, Flub isn't lying about his investigations (there is no good reason for it).

Flub tracked Wyrm, no movement on N1. Wyrm probably isn't the CL. More on this below.
Flub tracked Fantasy, no movement on N2. Fantasy probably isn't the CL. More on this below.

That means the CL is very likely among these four players:
drealmer7
cristigale
docbear1975
Ixamyakxim

Based mostly on Cristi publicly questioning the mod about the CL + DP cross targeting in Post 426, I'm inclined to doubt she is the CL. Were she the CL, I think she'd have asked that privately instead.

That leaves
drealmer7
docbear1975
Ixamyakxim

I suggest we lynch one, (my preference on Drealmer or Docbear), Agent investigates another one tonight, and we lynch the last one D4. By that point, the CL should be dead or neutralized, and the CL can't stop it from happening.
I know Bookwyrm was Town, and I like his reasoning. It's not completely foolproof, but it's close enough.

At this point, we also know that Ixamyakxim is harmless.
Personally, I feel that drealmer7 is more likely to be cultist than CL, so I'm going to

Vote docbear1975
How about less talking and more voting to actually get somewhere?
I've been awake since 4:30 this morning getting ready for this bridal shower. In between I've been doing a reread of drealmer.

Why isn't he a suspect for cult leader??

drealmer stuff:

Post # -

41 – game starts with only cult leader - also voted no lynch
43 – some slight role fishing
69 – townies cleared - how??
115 – LAMIST
148 – question is odd or maybe crafted
219 - rwarehall vote (was it the first?)
226 – vote switching
258 – vote switching again
329 – funny/ironic “not very good with hypotheticals”
424 – Bookwyrm expects to live??
478 – unvote agent
496 – revote agent
534 – unvote agent
560 – vote agent
612 – unvote agent – docbear seems town
630 – "pool is small and I’m not in it…."
657 – docbear has been high suspect from beginning
686 – doc bear has been town the whole game and is why I've not been suspicious of you, but, that hammer move yesterday, you do see how it is suspicious looking, yes? I find hammers to be very interesting, they all kind of feel different, and need to be read on an individual basis, and I think most of the time I find them to be harmless town hammers to get the wagon finished and end the Day, but, yours seemed suspicious and I lean that it was scummy.

My take away is a great deal of movement with no progress. The voting is chaotic at best and the stance on docbear1975 is just ridiculous....she's town, she's scum, she's town, etc...

Am I missing something??



My house is now filled with 40 women and I have an overwhelming urge to go shoe shopping.
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agentcarr16:
Oh gees... you picked the one person... I just can't...


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Kidding ;) I hope you're right. If not we should know pretty quickly as cult will roll.

Vote docbear

I may not check in for a few hours so keep that in mind if you switch up votes / ideas.
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flubbucket: I've been awake since 4:30 this morning getting ready for this bridal shower. In between I've been doing a reread of drealmer.

Why isn't he a suspect for cult leader??

drealmer stuff:

Post # -

41 – game starts with only cult leader - also voted no lynch
43 – some slight role fishing
69 – townies cleared - how??
115 – LAMIST
148 – question is odd or maybe crafted
219 - rwarehall vote (was it the first?)
226 – vote switching
258 – vote switching again
329 – funny/ironic “not very good with hypotheticals”
424 – Bookwyrm expects to live??
478 – unvote agent
496 – revote agent
534 – unvote agent
560 – vote agent
612 – unvote agent – docbear seems town
630 – "pool is small and I’m not in it…."
657 – docbear has been high suspect from beginning
686 – doc bear has been town the whole game and is why I've not been suspicious of you, but, that hammer move yesterday, you do see how it is suspicious looking, yes? I find hammers to be very interesting, they all kind of feel different, and need to be read on an individual basis, and I think most of the time I find them to be harmless town hammers to get the wagon finished and end the Day, but, yours seemed suspicious and I lean that it was scummy.

My take away is a great deal of movement with no progress. The voting is chaotic at best and the stance on docbear1975 is just ridiculous....she's town, she's scum, she's town, etc...

Am I missing something??

My house is now filled with 40 women and I have an overwhelming urge to go shoe shopping.
To me, I read that as more likely he was converted and is having trouble keeping his assignment straight. :-P
I agree that he's probably not Town, I just think he's not the best target. I'll probably be hitting him tonight if he's not lynched.

I pity you. Shoe shopping is the worst.
I wish cult would just roll over and die. As a courtesy of sorts, in good favor.

If we go after docbear, I feel good to hammer her. Nothing personal, just that suspecting her for rather some time now, I feel like I should do the honors.

And fantasysci's response to a vote on her was simply...simple.

Unvote fantasysci

I realize one thing: we all must vote and give reasons why such vote is casted. That is town thing to do. If we all do it, cult is forced to do the same. And even if we vote different players, voting is the way to get better idea about all players rather than just assuming things.