Think I already expressed my thoughts but its not a bad show, like maybe a 6 or 7 out of 10. Nothing amazing like the Boys that has me hoping for more but not a bad show to sink some time into. Im also a very casual fan to the point of normie and I enjoyed it despite knowing pretty little about the game apart from some lore about the vaults being human experiments. I dont really know the factions and havent gotten to Fallout in my backlog yet.

I liked Lucy and didnt think of her as a mary sue. She does get brought to reality many times and clearly suffers and evolves through the story which is very un-sue like. She also is honestly pretty disliked by most people at first glance which is another non-sue trait so think the criticism of her as a mary sue is just because she is a semi-competent female protagonist.

I did not like Maximus at first but he does grow on you over time. Since a second season is confirmed, I do want to see how he changes as a character.

The Ghoul is great as basically a villain protagonist to anti-hero. I do think he is going to play a big leading role if the series continues and the writers dont pull some "subverted expectations" BS like they did with the man in black in Westworld.

My biggest criticism is the story is SUPER slow. There is a ton of fluff from episode 2 to 6. I did like the last episodes where there was a good chunk of story to finally get the plot going but damn was the pacing bad. Its like reading an essay by a student shoving in fluff to fill the 5 page quota for their paper. I do hope they actually add more story content and bring a faster pace in following seasons if Amazon decides to move forward with the series. There can be side-events and there technically was "urgency" built into the main narrative (conflicting factions vying for the McGuffin) but its like everyone gets wrapped up in a side quest and backstory.

Seems my reply for this just didnt appear. I agree Lucy isnt a Mary Sue and its just a term now used to describe any semi-competent female protagonist. Mary Sue has very specific characteristics since it is basically an author insert and bad fan fiction writing.

I guess the power armor is quite iconic for Fallout and the medieval knight and squire system is quite cool but the brotherhood comes off as almost villainous in the show.

I agree although I suppose the issue with doing that is it would make the show far too short. I also feel that the Ghoul is far more relevant and central to the story than Lucy is to be honest.

The Brotherhood comes almost villainous in New Vegas as well, and they don't feel different in Fallout 4 which was the main inspiration so they got that one right.

Sounds like a good radio opera version based on the current show. Maybe like one of those about the Silver Shroud.

The Brotherhood in the show seems much different from the NV Brotherhood or even Fallout 4 Brotherhood. There was no "medieval knight and squire system" before as far as I can remember. Can't remember squires calling a simple Knight "My Lord" LOL. The strict Brotherhood codex demands from squires to watch and learn from the best when they go on a mission with the Brotherhood Knights. Fallout series shows Brotherhood as kind of an army boot camp with some strange traditions: medieval knight-peasant relationship, knights claiming squires as their own property etc. My guess is that the scriptwriter of the Fallout show wasn't familiar with the Brotherhood before.

Youi don't say... To clarify, I meant specifically in that they are still almost a villainous group in Fallout 4.

Out topic - I got an ich to replay Fallout 2 again. Does anybody knows what are optimal Tag skills in that game? Speech + Lockpicking + Weapon Skill?

Oh I see. Probably you're right and they have the same level of "villainy" in this show as well.

Depends on how much you want to power game and optimize.

Avoid putting points into anything a skill book exists for. Some merchants will restock them and you can raise the relevant skills to 91% (or more, if you do some SPECIAL lowering shenanigans with drugs/alcohol).

Generally, you should tag stuff you want to pump as high as possible or want to have high right from the start. Those are mainly weapon skills. Other skills can generally stay at the thresholds to unlock the perks you want or stop at 100, with a couple exceptions.

Speech is a good pick if you want to have the most dialogue options from the start and it's a skill that is always relevant.

Barter can speed up how fast you reach the point when money becomes a non-issue, but it will happen even without investing into the skill, just a bit later.

One weapon skill which you mainly want to focus on is a good idea. Usually either Energy Weapons or Big Guns. Or both if you don't want to be bound to one weapon type.

Not sure if Lockipck is worth tagging, as there are items which can give you up to +40% to the skill. But you won't get those right away, so depends on if you want to unlock everything right away or don't mind backtracking. If you are going to tag only one weapon, Lockpick is a good tag.

OR

You can go the least travelled route, supposing you already played the game before. Play as a character with 1 Intelligence and enjoy an entirely new experience where you can ignore speech completely :P

Well, I finally sat through the first episode, and I don't feel much inclined to watch the rest, at least any time soon. It's not terrible, but also nothing particularly good. I'm just not much invested in any of it. Most of it, the Lucy/Vault part, was just too whimsical for me. Sure, there was always an absurdist and humorous aspect to Fallout, but here I felt more like I was watching something like Kingsman.

I am also absolutely sick of the songs. I don't think they went more than five minutes without another one. I don't hate the songs themselves, and had no problem with them at the start, but they absolutely overused them.

On one hand, I agree, because it does sound like way more interesting way to structure the story and reveal the world. In particular I think they made a dreadful mistake by cutting to the Brotherhood of Steel for a while during what was otheriwse Lucy's segment, because it kinda ruined the "leaving the Vault moment". It's just not nearly as powerful a scene when we, the audience, have already been outside, and know there is a semblence of a normal-ish life going on. It should be a moment of going into the totally unknown, especially for the audience that doesn't know the games.

On the other hand, I like the part with Maximus more. It had a better, more serious tone, had some decent original music instead of just torturing the 50s songs. That said, I honestly don't much care for either Luxy or Maximus right now. The Ghoul seems like the most interesting of the three, so of course he got by far the least screentime.

I don't know, maybe I'll be back to the show after I'm done rewatching Babylon 5, but for now it just left me mostly indifferent.

Absolutely agreed. Imagine if they used music similar to the actually sinister, mostly ambient F1 or F2 soundtracks in the show, which sell the feeling of actually being in the radioactive wasteland so well. Would completely change the atmosphere of it. Both F1 and F2 have exactly one oldie track, which don't even play in the games themselves but only during intros.

But Bethesda wants to keep pushing the "wacky stuff and oldies music" as THE Fallout vibe.

Just as much as they want to push the fantastical fantasy elements out of the Elder Scrolls series. Intellegent talking ape men? What intelligent talking ape men?

Timothy Cain (who was the creator and lead designer of Fallout, the first original game) have made a short video / review of the tv series. He liked it. He find the tv-series managed to feel like Fallout, that it feelt like a game, and the "lore drops",and the lack of straight out expositions, and how the three main characters are almost archetypes of how players play a game like this (Lucy - the good player, Max - utilitarian player, The Ghoul - the murderhobo)

He also talk a bit about the lore itself and his oppinion on the lore. he do not have much problem with it

it is a good watch in any case


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFBLAbwMA0

I'd be very surprised he say otherwise. I believe that everyone who has been invited to the show premiere had a very good impression afterwards.

Tim Cain always has been too conflict-averse resp. "too nice" to blisteringly criticise/tear something to shreds he's not agreeing with, even or especially when in presence of two of the defilers instrumental in bringing the Fallout franchise to the pitiful state it's in these days. Of course "he liked it".

https://i.imgur.com/Pr6zfiw.jpeg

The great Fallout Debate. Or more just discussing the goods and bads of the show.

Includes: Critical Drinker, MauLer, Nerderotic, Reaper, and Lance Steen Anthony Nielsen.

You'd be surprised of my tolerance of retardation - The Critical Drinker


Anyways, listening to them talking about it, it sounds like there's a lot of plot holes and issues with stupid writing.

Or maybe, just maybe, and I know I am stretching reality quite a lot here but just roll with it for a moment. Maybe, he just liked it at that was his oppinion?

weird thought, I know, blew my mind when it came to me