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CMOT70: Another funny contract detail to come out is how Nintendo specifically states in contracts that they will not deal with any company with ties to Yakuza or other organized crime.
As some sites are pointing out, it's quite a shift from when Nintendo made hanafuda cards used in Yakuza gambling dens.
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§pectre: Are there any direct links to the court case. I would rather not visit PCgaymer or polygon smear websites.
I've struggled to find anything from a reputable source that isn't paywalled. There are various reasons why I no longer visit most PC Gaming websites (discussion of which would breach the forum CoC), but even ignoring that, they typically have next to zero understanding of the real world or of the legal system, so their "reporting" isn't worth much in my book.
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pds41: I've struggled to find anything from a reputable source that isn't paywalled.
Just dump the article link in any decent archival site, and it'll give you a full copy of the article to read.
Post edited May 05, 2021 by GamezRanker
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MysterD: Yep, I also grew up in the good old days, when most games were single player; some had big SP campaigns and a small MP portion; and some of them were flat-out MP-based.

I'm 40, BTW. Been doing console games since I was a kid at arcades & on my Atari 7800; and also had a NES, Genesis, and Playsation (original).

Moved over to PC gaming back in 1995 - and no looking back, since then.

I even remember back when Q3A and UT, BF 1942, BF2 - which were skirmish-based games, as I like to put it - their skirmish modes could be played as offline games against bots, if you didn't want to go online and play w/ players. Plus, you could basically practice, before you took on players online.

Now, we have COD MP's, which likely barely last at least a year b/c they pump these games out yearly - and who knows if anyone's say playing some of the older MP's, since the new one's out and likely getting all the play. I really wish these games, if player count dies, we could just flat these offline against bots.

Man, I miss the old days.
Yeah, I miss them too. Back then, no DLCs or microtransactions. There were expansion packs, but they packed good content overall. And the games were released in a proper state, unlike nowadays where they're out there, costing full price, only for the users to be beta testers. If you want the full complete experience, then wait almost a year.

The only thing I don't miss is the exclusivity deals. Back then a lot more games were exclusive to consoles, and since I had only a PC, I missed on a lot.
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MysterD: Yep, I also grew up in the good old days, when most games were single player; some had big SP campaigns and a small MP portion; and some of them were flat-out MP-based.

I'm 40, BTW. Been doing console games since I was a kid at arcades & on my Atari 7800; and also had a NES, Genesis, and Playsation (original).

Moved over to PC gaming back in 1995 - and no looking back, since then.

I even remember back when Q3A and UT, BF 1942, BF2 - which were skirmish-based games, as I like to put it - their skirmish modes could be played as offline games against bots, if you didn't want to go online and play w/ players. Plus, you could basically practice, before you took on players online.

Now, we have COD MP's, which likely barely last at least a year b/c they pump these games out yearly - and who knows if anyone's say playing some of the older MP's, since the new one's out and likely getting all the play. I really wish these games, if player count dies, we could just flat these offline against bots.

Man, I miss the old days.
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bluethief: Yeah, I miss them too. Back then, no DLCs or microtransactions. There were expansion packs, but they packed good content overall. And the games were released in a proper state, unlike nowadays where they're out there, costing full price, only for the users to be beta testers. If you want the full complete experience, then wait almost a year.

The only thing I don't miss is the exclusivity deals. Back then a lot more games were exclusive to consoles, and since I had only a PC, I missed on a lot.
Yep, I remember the Expansion Pack days.

When we had awesome expansion like say BG2: Throne of Bhaal, NWN1: Hordes of the Underdark, NWN2: Mask of the Betrayers - you know, back when expansions felt like actually sequels here, not expansions.

I think the first time we really saw DLC's would probably be NWN1's Premium mods - which were from Kingmaker Premium mod and on; and also Oblivion's Horse Armor (ewww) & Knights of the Nine (that DLC was good!).

About games in a proper state - yeah, things were overall better and less complex back then w/ all of that stuff....but yeah, more games were released in "not-broken", "finished" or "stable" states.

Of course, even back then - some games like Daggerfall and Morrowind were still buggy, unstable, and had not-so-hot performance (i.e. low framerates). I remember even Planescape: Torment had a memory-leak bug, which of course later got fixed.

I'm glad to see more games hit both PC and console, since I ain't done consoles in forever. Glad to see more console-style games hit PC these days.

Glad to see more console-style games and Japanese games finally hit the PC on a regular basis, too - love seeing stuff like Resident Evils, Dark Souls series, Yakuza series, Shenmue series, Bayonetta 1, NieR series, WWE games, Final Fantasy series, Persona series, and all kinds of other console-style games & also some of the console classics hit PC. Glad to see some sequels of these games hitting PC also, too - and on a regular basis, too!

Though, as a consumer here, I'm not fond of exclusive-platform (i.e. some games like God of War Reboot exclusive to PlayStation platforms) or exclusive-store stuff (i.e. stuff exclusive to Epic for say 6-to-12 months). But, hey - if they gonna release Complete Editions w/ All DLC later after they're done w/ the exclusive non-sense...well, I'm alright w/ that.

Often...trying to chase DLC's, Expansions, and whatnot - just can be tough, as that stuff can be at a Premium; often b/c they sell the Base-Game cheap purposely, hoping you'll spring for Expensive Expansion Pass/DLC Packs/etc etc.

Though, I definitely get, on another hand, why 2K and Gearbox would accept the $146m from the developer/publisher side from Epic, to let Borderlands 3 be exclusive for 6 months over there at Epic. Man, that probably paid for a good deal of development & marketing - heck, maybe even all of that - right there.
Post edited May 05, 2021 by MysterD
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MysterD: Though, as a consumer here, I'm not fond of exclusive-platform (i.e. some games like God of War Reboot exclusive to PlayStation platforms) or exclusive-store stuff (i.e. stuff exclusive to Epic for say 6-to-12 months). But, hey - if they gonna release Complete Editions w/ All DLC later after they're done w/ the exclusive non-sense...well, I'm alright w/ that.
Yeah, I'm not fond of that too. But in the case of Playstation, well that's more understandable since it's their games. However, now that's changing. Xbox releases all of their games on PC day and date. And Sony is now starting to release their games, with Horizon Zero Dawn last year, and Days Gone this month. And quoting Jim Ryan, "a whole slate is coming".

As for the Epic exclusivity, that sucks too. I wish all games could get released on all stores day and date and people would get the choice on where they wanted to buy it. Stores would then be competing in prices, features and benefits for the consumers.
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MysterD: Though, as a consumer here, I'm not fond of exclusive-platform (i.e. some games like God of War Reboot exclusive to PlayStation platforms) or exclusive-store stuff (i.e. stuff exclusive to Epic for say 6-to-12 months). But, hey - if they gonna release Complete Editions w/ All DLC later after they're done w/ the exclusive non-sense...well, I'm alright w/ that.
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bluethief: Yeah, I'm not fond of that too. But in the case of Playstation, well that's more understandable since it's their games. However, now that's changing. Xbox releases all of their games on PC day and date. And Sony is now starting to release their games, with Horizon Zero Dawn last year, and Days Gone this month. And quoting Jim Ryan, "a whole slate is coming".

As for the Epic exclusivity, that sucks too. I wish all games could get released on all stores day and date and people would get the choice on where they wanted to buy it. Stores would then be competing in prices, features and benefits for the consumers.
Yes, that's it - I'd rather stores be competing w/ features, prices, benefits, etc etc to the consumer.

I'm glad to see more XBox games hitting PC too. Was glad to see Halo MCC hit PC - Halo Reach and Halo 2 in there on PC were awesome. Would love to see Halo 5 hit PC one day too. Also, Forza Horizon 3 is awesome on PC too. Gears 4 and 5 were awesome on PC too.

I do get the whole "this is how Sony sells consoles" things w/ having their own games exclusive to them - but, it's still annoying. I don't want to see any gamer left behind, regardless of platform.

Plus, it's nice for Sony, even if they do it a bit later, to give the PC things like HZD, which I do have from GOG - which looks great and runs great here on my RTX 3070; probably much better than it does look & run on say PS4 Regular/Pro and PS5.

Looking forward to seeing Days Gone here on PC on Steam, too. I'd love for it to also come to GOG, BTW - of course.
Post edited May 05, 2021 by MysterD
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MysterD: Yes, that's it - I'd rather stores be competing w/ features, prices, benefits, etc etc to the consumer.

I'm glad to see more XBox games hitting PC too. Was glad to see Halo MCC hit PC - Halo Reach and Halo 2 in there on PC were awesome. Would love to see Halo 5 hit PC one day too. Also, Forza Horizon 3 is awesome on PC too. Gears 4 and 5 were awesome on PC too.

I do get the whole "this is how Sony sells consoles" things w/ having their own games exclusive to them - but, it's still annoying. I don't want to see any gamer left behind, regardless of platform.

Plus, it's nice for Sony, even if they do it a bit later, to give the PC things like HZD, which I do have from GOG - which looks great and runs great here on my RTX 3070; probably much better than it does look & run on say PS4 Regular/Pro and PS5.

Looking forward to seeing Days Gone here on PC on Steam, too. I'd love for it to also come to GOG, BTW - of course.
I hope Halo 5 gets released on PC too, so that we can have all games on the platform. And also that one day MSFT considers releasing a collection of the previous 4 Gears of War titles (1-3 and Judgment) on PC too.

Rumour has it that the next batch of games Sony is releasing on PC includes the likes of: God of War (the latest one), Bloodborne and Ghost of Tsushima.

As for Days Gone, it might follow the same as HZD: release first on Steam and Epic and a few months later here on GOG. Here's hoping.
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Breja: It's times like this I realise it's a miracle it is we get any single player games at all anymore. And how much the gaming culture, outside of little "bubbles" such as GOG, has really left me behind. I will never understand what motivates people to play shit like that, not to mention pay money for some worthless virtual crap in such a game.
I felt the same way for years and I have gaps of 5 to 10 years btw game purchases because what I saw available did not appeal to me at all. Out of the "BIG" games online the only ones my kids got into when they were younger was DOTA 2 and Counter Strike/GO. CS/GO I understood as it had a lot in common with death match games I was into in the late 90's. DOTA 2 and the like took me a long time to understand and "get" where they and their friends were coming from. The rest of the stuff eludes me to this day.
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Breja: It's times like this I realise it's a miracle it is we get any single player games at all anymore. And how much the gaming culture, outside of little "bubbles" such as GOG, has really left me behind. I will never understand what motivates people to play shit like that, not to mention pay money for some worthless virtual crap in such a game.
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bluethief: We live in different times. I don't know your age, but assuming you're about the same as me (35), we come from an era where the majority of games were single player only and that was the focus. The multiplayer part was kind of an addition. Sure there were those multiplayer only games like Quake 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament, and while they were popular, they were mainly PC games, and had to be paid for. Consoles were primarily for single player games.

Even before Fortnite, I remember gifting a lot of good single player games to my godson, and you know what he did? Played for a bit and then went on to play CS or Team Fortress 2 with his friends.

Kids nowadays want to be connected and play online with their friends more than ever. In my time, I wanted to play outside and hang out.
Not that I disagree in general, but I know for a fact it's not just kids. I have a friend, my age, who has been a gamer for as long as I have, and yet he loves all this online multiplayer stuff, and embraced the new ways with glee. Loves WoW, Old Republic, praised Fortnite (and its business model) to high heavens. He considers older games to be pretty much unplayable and hated every single-player game I recommended to him in recent times. And I think that many "old timers" are actually more like him than us. The currents of popular trends are strong, and carry away most people. If not to Fortnite then some other similar Apex Legends/Call of Duty/Division thing.
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MysterD: Man, I miss the old days.
I've a bit older than ya but for me the old days ended in 2019. The big deal that I missed was LAN events back in the late 90's and as those started to dry up, I ran my own. Never got into consoles but I also loved 2 to 4 player games in the arcade so much I bought cabs to bring to my home. Later on I built my own for some old computer games.

My family and friends play DOOM (1993), UT99, UT2k4, Quake 1 to 3, No One Lives Forever and more bi-weekly in my LAN/Arcade gaming basement. The pandemic was a big blow to that and I went online for games for the first time since the late 90's in 2019/2020. It's fine but not the same. We still run our own servers for games like Quake, Xonotic and UT99 but it's just not the same feeling. Now with me selling this big house and moving to small place it's officially dead until we hit Quakecon or other major events again.

I'm glad that LAN and local MP games are still being made which is why I started buying games again in 2019 after a huge gap of no purchases.
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Breja: Not that I disagree in general, but I know for a fact it's not just kids. I have a friend, my age, who has been a gamer for as long as I have, and yet he loves all this online multiplayer stuff, and embraced the new ways with glee. Loves WoW, Old Republic, praised Fortnite (and its business model) to high heavens. He considers older games to be pretty much unplayable and hated every single-player game I recommended to him in recent times. And I think that many "old timers" are actually more like him than us. The currents of popular trends are strong, and carry away most people. If not to Fortnite then some other similar Apex Legends/Call of Duty/Division thing.
Sure, it's not only kids. And I too have friends of my age that play a lot of those multiplayer games you mentioned. They do play single player games from time to time, but they mostly follow the trends.

However, I'm not as pessimist about the future of single player games as I as a few years ago. I remember when EA seemed to be going full multiplayer with Star Wars: Battlefront and the Titanfall not having single player components. There were some backlash and both sequels had campaigns. Also, their latest Star Wars game, Jedi Fallen Order is single player only is a success.

Microsoft wanted to go that route too, and now acquired a lot of studios that are known to produce great single player experiences.

And for both Nintendo and Playstation, great single player games has always been their bread and butter.
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bluethief: We live in different times. I don't know your age, but assuming you're about the same as me (35), we come from an era where the majority of games were single player only and that was the focus. The multiplayer part was kind of an addition. Sure there were those multiplayer only games like Quake 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament, and while they were popular, they were mainly PC games, and had to be paid for. Consoles were primarily for single player games.

Even before Fortnite, I remember gifting a lot of good single player games to my godson, and you know what he did? Played for a bit and then went on to play CS or Team Fortress 2 with his friends.

Kids nowadays want to be connected and play online with their friends more than ever. In my time, I wanted to play outside and hang out.
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Breja: Not that I disagree in general, but I know for a fact it's not just kids. I have a friend, my age, who has been a gamer for as long as I have, and yet he loves all this online multiplayer stuff, and embraced the new ways with glee. Loves WoW, Old Republic, praised Fortnite (and its business model) to high heavens. He considers older games to be pretty much unplayable and hated every single-player game I recommended to him in recent times. And I think that many "old timers" are actually more like him than us. The currents of popular trends are strong, and carry away most people. If not to Fortnite then some other similar Apex Legends/Call of Duty/Division thing.
When it comes to Multiplayer - I miss the old days of it. Namely, when it wasn't so Level-based. Give me the old days - the RTCW days; Quake 2+3 days; UT series days. Give me the MP where it was about learning the map, learning the equipment, learning your class/skills, etc etc.

Give me the Left 4 Dead co-op days - get a few players together; do the 40m to 1 hour short campaign; and then...whatever. Maybe find a new crew, find some more players - do the same short campaign/episode again; or do another one. Yeah, and back then...no leveling system there either.

If I play COD now, I feel like I'm way behind the curve and the grind. I don't buy games Day 1 - so by the time I buy it, since I often buy stuff dirt-cheap on sale - it's too late; player counts have either dwindled; and/or most players are way higher up than when where I'm at, so I stand no chance.

For me - games w/ leveling systems, those are normally easier to take at my own pace all alone, as I feel like it - in a single player environment. I don't have to worry about other players' over-leveled - to where if we co-op, I'm holding friends back b/c I'm too low of a level compared to them; or if we are competitive I'm just constantly getting crushed b/c I don't have the same stuff unlocked yet.
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bluethief: However, I'm not as pessimist about the future of single player games as I as a few years ago. I remember when EA seemed to be going full multiplayer with Star Wars: Battlefront and the Titanfall not having single player components. There were some backlash and both sequels had campaigns. Also, their latest Star Wars game, Jedi Fallen Order is single player only is a success.

Microsoft wanted to go that route too, and now acquired a lot of studios that are known to produce great single player experiences.

And for both Nintendo and Playstation, great single player games has always been their bread and butter.
I actually enjoyed the SW: Battlefront 2 (from DICE) campaign with Iden; that was good.

Also, I'm in the midst of Titanfall 2 - and that campaign's awesome, so far. I'm some 6-7 hours into that.
Post edited May 05, 2021 by MysterD
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MysterD: I actually enjoyed the SW: Battlefront 2 (from DICE) campaign with Iden; that was good.

Also, I'm in the midst of Titanfall 2 - and that campaign's awesome, so far. I'm some 6-7 hours into that.
Yeah, I liked Battlefront 2 campaign as well, but the Titanfall 2 one is on another level. Such a great game, the only downside is that it's too short.
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MysterD: I actually enjoyed the SW: Battlefront 2 (from DICE) campaign with Iden; that was good.

Also, I'm in the midst of Titanfall 2 - and that campaign's awesome, so far. I'm some 6-7 hours into that.
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bluethief: Yeah, I liked Battlefront 2 campaign as well, but the Titanfall 2 one is on another level. Such a great game, the only downside is that it's too short.
Ain't finished TF2's campaign yet - but I think I'm near the end. But so far - man, it's been awesome. The missions, the combat, the gameplay - it just rocks on so many levels. Nothing short of that.

Obviously, I'd love to see Titanfall 3 and SW: Battlefront 3 w/ awesome single-player campaigns again.
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bluethief: However, I'm not as pessimist about the future of single player games as I as a few years ago. I remember when EA seemed to be going full multiplayer with Star Wars: Battlefront and the Titanfall not having single player components. There were some backlash and both sequels had campaigns. Also, their latest Star Wars game, Jedi Fallen Order is single player only is a success.

Microsoft wanted to go that route too, and now acquired a lot of studios that are known to produce great single player experiences.

And for both Nintendo and Playstation, great single player games has always been their bread and butter.
Yeah, I do need to get around to getting Jedi Fallen Order; that so looks up my alley.

As for Sony: this is why I'm glad to see some Sony games, like say HZD and now Days Gone - getting PC ports. I hope they keep 'em coming.

I'd love to see The Last of Us series, Bloodborne, Demon's Souls Remake, Ghosts of Tsushima, Uncharted series, God of War series, and any other stuff from them hit the PC b/c just like you said: "Great single player games has always been their bread and butter."

I also liked Heavy Rain and Beyond: Two Souls recently, when those hit the PC from Quantic Dream.
Post edited May 05, 2021 by MysterD