Reminder: You're still wrong, and at this rate, you always will be.

And that's a completely fine opinion; the list is here for people who don't mind installing Steam. I'm just tired of people thinking Steam is DRM even after meticulous explanations have been outlined everywhere, and you obviously don't view it as DRM, but as an unnecessary step, which is fine.

Reminder: Steam is a DRM'd delivery system, that can provide DRM-Free content. If a DRM'd delivery system means the content cannot be DRM-Free, GOG is not DRM-Free either.
Feel free to ask for more clarification, though you'll ignore it (again).

This is where Judas earns his money by renaming it (if asked by PM to do so).

^ This

Isn't that the definition of DRM, though? Being required to do something extra in order to play the game?

I still regard steam as DRM, as it is required in order to properly install the game. Yes, you can work around this with otherwise DRM-free games by just copying the gamefiles somewhere, but it's not... elegant. I prefer an installer.

No need to respond. I've seen all the counterarguments, they don't convince me.

Sorry, but you will have a respond. There are 3 steps to running a piece of software. Delivery, Installation, Execution. If there are no restrictions on the Execution part, said software is considered DRM-Free for the purposes of this thread, no matter what the DRM status of Delivery and/or Installation are.

Yes. Something extra needed to play the game. Not to obtain the game. Steam is a DRM'd delivery system that can deliver DRM-Free content.

Steam games don't have an installation. They have game files which you download and dependencies which you can install without Steam. Not the most elegant solution, as you said, but an installer (or lack of) is independent of DRM.

BTW: most of the DRM free (!) Humble Games also come without an installer so that is not an argument for being DRM just as you said.
But here we go again - same questions, same people, same wrong assumptions. Maybe it would be better to name this "Steam games that can be played without Steam Client" or something to prevent this.

More utter stupidity and bullshit, consumers cutting their own throats. The good news is though, if Steam offers DRM free games, then ALL games are DRM free, and the DRM free revolution has been won!!!! YAY!!!!

That's what happens when consumers willingly redefine DRM-free to mean anything Steam offers as DRM.

Oh, and fuck Steam.

I consider installation to be part of execution, as per your defs. You consider it to be part of the delivery. I agree, steam merging the install/download is problematic for those defs, but there you go. There are perfectly valid arguments to be made for either case, so I suggest we agree to disagree.

The files for Carmageddon: Max Pack that are provided by Steam are identical to the ones provided by GOG. Does Steam offer a DRM Free copy of Carmageddon: Max Pack or does GOG provide a DRM'd copy of it?

Having to login to download a game is no different than having to go into a store to purchase a physical copy. They keep the store locked when closed, and you must "login" (walk in and pay) before you can take home your DVD with a game installation on it. In that sense, physical stores, GOG, and Steam are all the same.

The difference comes in what you get AFTER that. In the case of a DRM free game you purchased at a store, or here at GoG, you have a portable install/setup file that requires no further internet checks/calls home/copying of extraneous files to install the game on any machine you want. Not so with Steam. Steam COULD offer such files for download, but CHOOSE not to. With Steam, you have to be somewhat tech savvy, know what files to copy, what dependencies might be required, and what extraneous files might be needed to be downloaded to meet those dependencies in order to move it from machine to machine as you wish. And in that sense, if you're tech savvy enough to figure that out, then you're tech savvy enough to know that once you buy a game, you can go find all the files necessary to bypass any DRM on a pirate site and therefore all games sold everywhere are DRM-free.

That's taking this Steam offers DRM-free games to it's logical conclusion.

I consider installation to be part of installation. Not delivery, nor execution. Steam games do not have the installation part.
GOG has DRM'd delivery (authentication required to download the files), a DRM-Free installer (anyone can run it) and DRM-Free execution. GMG (I think, it might be GG, never paid much attention to those) has DRM'd delivery (authentication required to download), DRM'd installers (online check to run) and both DRM'd and DRM-Free executions, depending on the game.
Steam has DRM'd delivery and DRM'd and DRM-Free execution. I'm not sure if there is a check required for Steam to parse installscript.vdf or not, but the file can be parsed without Steam just fine.

The file I get from gog is a setup file. I don't recall ever downloading or having the option to download a portable setup file from any Steam game. Are you saying Steam now offers for download identical setup files to GOG?

That's weird. The file I got from GOG was an archive containing a bunch of files. The very sames I got from Steam. Does this "setup" you speak of play Carmageddon, or does it just install the files I'm talking about?