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DetouR6734: Fans are the worst, they ruin everything.
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GameRager: Some fans improve things by creating some memorable fan works, though.
What does that improve exactly? sure they create a pretty picture everyone can look at.. and??


I'll support GoG aslong as they continue their goal of DRM-Free gaming, and CD Projekt Red doesn't start getting scummy. Fan i am not, i know what they are like and they ruin the franchises i used to enjoy.
Post edited June 27, 2019 by DetouR6734
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GameRager: You don't, but as long as they have rights holders on board with games to still release then the mission is not "complete" imo......whether or not they wants to release every such game is irrelavant to that discussion then.

Some fans improve things by creating some memorable fan works, though.
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DetouR6734: What does that improve exactly? sure they create a pretty picture everyone can look at.. and??
I was talking about mods for games/fan films(good quality ones) for some characters/settings/etc, etc....but as for pictures: They improve the experience/setting of some piece of media a person cherishes, perhaps? :|
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DetouR6734: Fans are the worst, they ruin everything.
Real problem is that fans often put themselves on the same plane as the creators, and \they beceom that most dangerous and annoying of creatures..the amateur who thinks they are a professional.
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GameRager: You don't, but as long as they have rights holders on board with games to still release then the mission is not "complete" imo......whether or not they wants to release every such game is irrelavant to that discussion then.
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dudalb: As pointed out, "Fans" is really the wrong term to use, customers is much more appropriate.
Original userbase would be even better than that, but you are right.

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DetouR6734: Fans are the worst, they ruin everything.
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dudalb: Real problem is that fans often put themselves on the same plane as the creators, and \they beceom that most dangerous and annoying of creatures..the amateur who thinks they are a professional.
Some of them can sadly be even better than or as good as the original devs.
Post edited June 27, 2019 by GameRager
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DetouR6734: What does that improve exactly? sure they create a pretty picture everyone can look at.. and??
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GameRager: I was talking about mods for games/fan films(good quality ones) for some characters/settings/etc, etc....but as for pictures: They improve the experience/setting of some piece of media a person cherishes, perhaps? :|
I have created and tweaked assets for Cities Skylines, am i a fan? no.
Imo, the real question is: is the original user base in any way still relevant economically?
It doesn't sound nice to say, but the harsh truth is painfully obvious.
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GameRager: I was talking about mods for games/fan films(good quality ones) for some characters/settings/etc, etc....but as for pictures: They improve the experience/setting of some piece of media a person cherishes, perhaps? :|
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DetouR6734: I have created and tweaked assets for Cities Skylines, am i a fan? no.
It depends on if you did it because you liked the work you were making stuff for or just doing it to be paid somehow or treated it as just a job.

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Enebias: Imo, the real question is: is the original user base in any way still relevant economically?
It doesn't sound nice to say, but the harsh truth is painfully obvious.
I'd wager a good number of those here are those who don't like steam or see it as a lesser alternate to gog. Anyone who likes steam and doesn;t mind the DRM/client would likely be solely/mainly buying on steam.
Post edited June 27, 2019 by GameRager
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teceem: But what makes you people think that there's a whole bunch of old games out there that GOG CAN but WON'T release? (referring to that "old mission")
First, there are many, many, many old games. GOG has done an admirable job creating their catalog, but...

... if the GOG audience expands -- poached from platforms that don't care about old or DRM-free games -- it would be logical to assume that GOG's mission would change as well to accommodate that audience... for the same reason I'd never expect to see any "good old games" on Epic Games Store.

For GOG, old games were a relatively cheap way to build a catalog and brand, but with Galaxy 2.0, that brand is bound to change. How much? That's up to GOG.
I'd wager the contrary. I'm pretty sure most people buy where it's cheaper, as is the case with almost everyone I know. The store which offers the better deal first gets the sale. The "hardcore" anti-steam and/or DRM free enthusiasts (like me) are few and far between.
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DetouR6734: I have created and tweaked assets for Cities Skylines, am i a fan? no.
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GameRager: It depends on if you did it because you liked the work you were making stuff for or just doing it to be paid somehow or treated it as just a job.
No, it doesn't. I am not a "fan" of anything, i like and enjoy things, i am not an obsessed, i'm not blinded by bullshit.


To GoG i'm a mere customer that supports DRM-Free gaming, nothing else. "Fan" goes well beyond that, and many of them are not far from being fanatics.
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GameRager: It depends on if you did it because you liked the work you were making stuff for or just doing it to be paid somehow or treated it as just a job.
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DetouR6734: No, it doesn't. I am not a "fan" of anything, i like and enjoy things, i am not an obsessed, i'm not blinded by bullshit.

To GoG i'm a mere customer that supports DRM-Free gaming, nothing else. "Fan" goes well beyond that, and many of them are not far from being fanatics.
One can be a fan of something and not be obsessed/be a fan in a bad way/etc. You seem to be conflating the word/term "fan" with something that's always bad...this is not always the case.
How many times this has been brought up (a number of them even by me)... Frankly, Galaxy 2.0 hardly registers compared to what happened so far.

GOG started moving away from its original mission and userbase in 2012 when they stopped being "Good Old Games".
Then they firmly moved away from their ideals, along with the original mission and userbase, in 2014 when they gave up on the "one world, one price" policy, first just for a few games, then for more and more, older ones too, eventually just about all, but returning that difference as store credit, and eventually, a few months ago, eliminating the store credit as well.
Then they firmly moved away from any semblance of catering to a different crowd in any sense and towards the same general masses as all the rest when they launched Galaxy.

And as others have already pointed out, Galaxy development was ongoing anyway, so the resources are stuck there anyway. And with them already fighting over the same general public with zero loyalty, commitment or interest in causes or ideals, there's no change there either.
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DetouR6734: No, it doesn't. I am not a "fan" of anything, i like and enjoy things, i am not an obsessed, i'm not blinded by bullshit.

To GoG i'm a mere customer that supports DRM-Free gaming, nothing else. "Fan" goes well beyond that, and many of them are not far from being fanatics.
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GameRager: One can be a fan of something and not be obsessed/be a fan in a bad way/etc. You seem to be conflating the word/term "fan" with something that's always bad...this is not always the case.
To me being a fan isn't anything to be proud of. It isn't a good thing.
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I don't care as long it stays optional.
I think the underlying question here is:

can a small, niche company expand to a large company and keep their original mission?