Scheme??? Agenda????? What are you on about? Steam is just a game platform why are you talking about it like some kind of brainwashing Evil Corp.? Sure, it's not perfect, but the reason every human being who likes videogames has it installed is because there are no better alternatives.
The developer addressed this post in the discord and explained everything in the most reasonable and friendly way possible. I myself defend him because some people here go "the game is over" and insult the dev. The game is not over and a complete overhaul of it has been cooking up for already a year and planned to release soon, and I'd like people to give it a chance

You guys are the second group that are coming from a Discord server and trying to push an agenda in this forum. The people here don't like the idea of using a client to download a game. They want offline installers that work without any internet connection. This is something you can't have with Steam or with the Epic Games Store.

I don't see a most reasonable and friendly way here.

"Furthermore:

- No workshop
- No steam community"

Shitting on this platform and its users ("No steam community"), advertising Steam and people coming from the Discord channel of the dev to defend this attitude and advertising the Steam platform is aggressive. I won't check out the game because of this.

Im honestly just trying to help out and be super friendly! Im really not trying to push any agenda so to speak. I really do hope you do give the game another shot at some point down the line tho. Andrew has worked tirelessly on the new update and everybodies feedback helps!

Advertising the steam platform?? Please, like PLEASE, explain to me why are you so against steam. Genuine question. And you not wanting to play a game because I appeared to be aggressive in the comments is really strange to me. Like sure, miss out on the game because you didn't like one person from the community

Of course, that's why you continue with the advertisement here.

You don't seem to see the problem. The dev said questionable things and you guys are constantly defending it because you want the people here still checking out the game on a different platform. That's why you are also advertising and defending the Steam platform besides the game.

Listen man I'm sorry if I upset you, not sure what questionable stuff Andrew has said but I digress since I need to sleep. Not trying to advertise here, im not getting paid to say any of this. I'm just a member of the community. But I wish you a good day and hope you will try the game out in the future!

Then they probably should have released a completed game. I don't buy in dev/Early Access on principle, for this very reason. Once they have your money, where is the incentive to actually deliver?

I was feeling sympathetic by reading this, but after I saw the attachment, I don't think I have much sympathy left. Many GOG users are here because they like to OWN games rather than rent them, and that person from your screenshots clearly has no grasp of this concept. Yes, GOG has issues, plenty of them, but none of them are enough to claim that it should cease existing.


Why is the Steam Workshop being regarded as something that makes or breaks mods? People have been modding games for DECADES without it. Did Nexus and all the other modding sites stop existing? Can we no longer dump some files in the game's directory using File Explorer? Some may prefer the Steam Workshop for the "convenience", but that is in no way a requirement for mods.

I, personally, do not use the Steam Workshop, even if I own the game on Steam and the workshop is available. Just like with the main game, if I like some mod, I prefer to keep a copy of it myself, in case it gets delisted or whatever. Manual mods also come with instructions that educate me about how the mod is installed and loaded, rather than me having to scratch my head trying to figure out what the heck did Steam just do under the hood, in case I want to extract that mod for safe keeping.

There have been countless examples that have shown that no digital library is safe, not even Steam. The only library I can trust is my own hard drive.


That is nice of them.


I appreciate that GOG can be really annoying to deal with, but the DRM-Free format is too important to let the issues with GOG stand in the way. There are plenty of alternative store fronts for DRM-Free content. The second largest one after GOG being the one that shares a name with a certain virtual conferencing app. I'm worries that GOG may delete my post if I get any more specific.

Workshop is a fucking cancer, so if that's his position, I'm glad he's taking his ball and going home. Same with "no Steam community" Like, no shit. It's not Steam. I'm not against Steam in general, but most people here want nothing to do with it, and I don't blame them. I only dip my toes in for good, completed games that aren't available here, and when a game becomes available here, I buy here. Dude sounds like one of those Steam-bot players who thinks every game that exists is on Steam and their DRM bullshit isn't DRM.

The guy, before ever having worked with GOG was fighting against it, and didn't want to release here anyway, and his arguments are basically that GOG isn't Steam, like that's a bad thing.

Also people who do like Steam community do not have to own a game on Steam to use it.
I buy everything I can on GOG and other DRM-Free stores, but I still go to Steam Community for some collectible guides or whatever lol. So I really have no idea how lack of Steam community is even an argument against GOG.

Having to jump through hoops and inconsistent curation? Sure, it sucks, but every other argument is nonsense.

It's a public forum. Get used to it.

The "pro Steam" arguments here are off topic, but so be it.


Would be nice if the Steam Workshop would get buried btw. It does not work for games on other platforms, so while it is a nice feature for users, game programmers should not rely on it and create / distribnute mods in a way that they can be used with games bought in other shops as well.

The PC may not explode, but DRM-Free with an online installer is not as good as DRM-Free with an offline installer. The issue is that no digital platform is safe from delisting (yes even from user libraries), or from annoying content-removing patches. Sure, GOG is susceptible to the same nonsense and I have had content removed from my library on both Steam and GOG. Some of it was eventually returned, but some wasn't. The difference is that I still have everything I need on my hard drive, without having to get an approval from some stupid server.

I bought the game and it's sitting on MY hard drive. It's not for Valve, or anyone else to hold onto. No one can break into my house and swap my offline copy for a lesser version just because some publisher did not renew some stupid music license or whatever.

Again, I can appreciate the gripes with GOG, but there are plenty of other DRM-Free stores out there.

You can also create backup installers for your steam games btw. Sure, you still need the client to reinstall them, but it's not online.
As a last resort, you can always just backup the installation directory and be done with it. The GOG installers don't really do much more than unpacking files and write a entry into the registry that the game was installed.
For DRM free games that will work just fine, if Steam ever gets shut down for good.

I bought DRM free games which cam without installer from Gamejolt, itch.io and other platforms, they were just zip files.
Does that mean this distribution method is inferior to GOGs way to do things? Maybe, but it works.

So ... in short: For me DRM free means I can play without licence check, the installation method has nothing to do with it.

And you need to AUTHENTICATE to the Steam client to restore said "backup", Again, this is not about saving bandwidth in some hut in the middle of nowhere and everything to do with verification and version control. Steam backup is so worthless, it's not even worth bringing up.

Yes, some games are quite portable and can be backed up in an "installed state", but some require dependencies. The installers for those dependencies may be obvious and in the game directory, or they may not be. I'd rather use the store that does it all for me, than waste my time making own custom installer.

I doubt the kind of games bought on itch.io and the likes would have many dependencies. Regardless, I can certainly backup an installed game, track down dependencies, generate shortcuts and all that nonsense, if there really is no other choice, heck many emulators are portable, but I will always STRONGLY prefer a version with a proper offline installer that does it all for me. GOG, the not-virtual conferencing app and some others like GamesPlanet, do have offline installers for user convenience.

Also while many games store saves and configuration in general Windows directories, there are some stupid ones that store them in Steam\Userdata\UserID directory. It's a gamble as to how those would behave if said directories did not exist. If we're lucky it'll have some basic logic to create them, but I wouldn't count on that, especially since there would be no Steam User ID to query either.