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Serren: DirectInput and XInput are Windows APIs for input devices, the latter being the current API.

Like I said, I use a Logitech F310 and that is what I recommend for a gamepad that will work with most anything. You can also search on Amazon (or where ever) for the terms "DirectInput gamepad" and you should see results for a number of gamepads which are switchable between DirectInput and XInput (make sure Amazon doesn't second guess you and search for "direct input" instead).
Thank you. I went to Amazon and found it, but I don't see any mention anywhere of the terms "XInput" or "DirectInput". I went ahead and ordered though.... did I screw up???

I have used Logitech and XBox controllers before, but sometimes on my old GoG games the games don't even recognize they're there, despite the fact I can go out of the game, go into Properties, and test the buttons and see that they work. I then go back into a game (sorry can't remember a GoG title now but it's happened at least four times so far and is frustrating) and once again it's as though the controller isn't even hooked up.

I sure hope this fixes it... especially since I already ordered it.. LOL. Probably should've asked first, but it is the model number you listed so I hope it will work.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-940-000110-Gamepad-F310/dp/B003VAHYQY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506479637&sr=8-1&keywords=Logitech+F310

ADDED IN EDIT: NM, I found it. Yes, it does explicitly state it supports "Xinput" and "DirectInput." It's just down the page a ways. I needed to scrollllllllll...... lol.
Post edited September 27, 2017 by OldFatGuy
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Serren: That's a blast from the past. The first PC gamepad I ever had (and first to ever came out for PC) was the original Gravis Gamepad. I bought it specifically to play Commander Keen and Duke Nukem. :)
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PrincessIda: So, how good is it for those heavy games that I'm planning to play? But the downside is that the CD is misplace. I want to know if it's outdated.
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Serren: Unfortunately, it is outdated. The biggest issue with your Gamepad Pro is that it doesn't have analogue sticks and that it won't work with XInput. I didn't even know Gravis produced USB controllers because they were absorbed by Kensington before Windows 98 came out.
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PrincessIda: What about those Rock Candy and Afterglow controllers? I know those are third party, but will they work well?
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Serren: I don't know anything about them, but be careful with off brand controllers due to possibly lower build quality. You might read through the reviews before you put your money down for one.
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OldFatGuy: Is there any way that you could help me here? I don't understand what XInput and DirectInput is, but I do know that I have had several issues with older games not recognizing my controller. And I simply CAN NOT and WILL NOT play any WSAD game with a keyboard/mouse (dumbest thing I ever heard of anyway).

Could you maybe point me to a specific controller (don't care about brand) that you know will work with both newer and older games? Thanks for any help.
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Serren: DirectInput and XInput are Windows APIs for input devices, the latter being the current API.

Like I said, I use a Logitech F310 and that is what I recommend for a gamepad that will work with most anything. You can also search on Amazon (or where ever) for the terms "DirectInput gamepad" and you should see results for a number of gamepads which are switchable between DirectInput and XInput (make sure Amazon doesn't second guess you and search for "direct input" instead).
Thanks, my cousins and I used the gamepad pro to take on some orcs and uruk hai in the Return of the King game back in the day. We had fond memories.

Sorry, the Afterglow and Rock Candy were made by the same company PDP. Here's one of their controllers: https://www.amazon.com/Afterglow-Wired-Controller-Xbox-360-Blue/dp/B00EZKNT18/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1506483197&sr=8-10&keywords=rock%2Bcandy%2Bxbox%2B360%2Bcontroller&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Rock-Candy-Xbox-360-Controller-Blue/dp/B008U2XE9O/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1506483197&sr=8-8&keywords=rock+candy+xbox+360+controller

And this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GOK23IG/ref=s9_acsd_al_bw_c_x_2_w
Post edited September 27, 2017 by PrincessIda
xbox 360 controller is pretty much the norm same with the logitech f310 or above series, and the xbox one controller seems to be getting better and better with drivers over the past years. but get a 360 controller and you wont regret it.
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OldFatGuy: I have used Logitech and XBox controllers before, but sometimes on my old GoG games the games don't even recognize they're there, despite the fact I can go out of the game, go into Properties, and test the buttons and see that they work.
What games? Windows, MS-DOS?

If you are trying to use a gamepad with older PC games, quite often they didn't even support any gamepads, which explains why it might be hard to get one to work with them. Especially with FPS and RTS games, they were usually optimized specifically for mouse + keyboard.

Maybe it is possible to fool the game to use e.g. an analog joystick or gamepad for the mouse controls (aiming), but that is more like a hack. The game was not designed to be played that way (I recall someone here mentioning playing Duke3D PC version wiith an analog gamepad, I think he must be nuts).

Then there are games like space combat simulations, flight sims etc. which might respond to at least the analog stick(s) of your gamepad, but they were usually meant to be played with an analog flightstick + keyboard at the same time.

The best bet for older (Windows) games supporting analog gamepads (with DirectInput) may be some PSX/PS2-ports and such. For instance the Prince of Persia games. The newer the game, the more likely it has good gamepad support (on the PS3/PS4 era, it means XInput gamepads).
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OldFatGuy: I have used Logitech and XBox controllers before, but sometimes on my old GoG games the games don't even recognize they're there, despite the fact I can go out of the game, go into Properties, and test the buttons and see that they work.
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timppu: What games? Windows, MS-DOS?

If you are trying to use a gamepad with older PC games, quite often they didn't even support any gamepads, which explains why it might be hard to get one to work with them. Especially with FPS and RTS games, they were usually optimized specifically for mouse + keyboard.

Maybe it is possible to fool the game to use e.g. an analog joystick or gamepad for the mouse controls (aiming), but that is more like a hack. The game was not designed to be played that way (I recall someone here mentioning playing Duke3D PC version wiith an analog gamepad, I think he must be nuts).

Then there are games like space combat simulations, flight sims etc. which might respond to at least the analog stick(s) of your gamepad, but they were usually meant to be played with an analog flightstick + keyboard at the same time.

The best bet for older (Windows) games supporting analog gamepads (with DirectInput) may be some PSX/PS2-ports and such. For instance the Prince of Persia games. The newer the game, the more likely it has good gamepad support (on the PS3/PS4 era, it means XInput gamepads).
DOS Box actually has gamepad keymapping built in.
Here are instructions on how to use it.
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DreamedArtist: xbox 360 controller is pretty much the norm same with the logitech f310 or above series, and the xbox one controller seems to be getting better and better with drivers over the past years. but get a 360 controller and you wont regret it.
The DS4 pad is better and the steam pad when running steam with its customisation software is much better.
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DreamedArtist: xbox 360 controller is pretty much the norm same with the logitech f310 or above series, and the xbox one controller seems to be getting better and better with drivers over the past years. but get a 360 controller and you wont regret it.
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Spectre: The DS4 pad is better and the steam pad when running steam with its customisation software is much better.
It's ALL about the Steam controller for PC. I bought one about 1 1/2 years ago, and I don't even use mouse and keyboard anymore. It may take me a few hours to get a good controller profile set up for a game that doesn't normally use a controller, but it's better than a hunched back and static posture enforced by mouse and keyboard use. With tweaking and personalization (as well as understanding the tricks of the controller) I'm not even any better with mouse and keyboard than I am with a Steam controller in FPS or any other type of game. (FPS hint, use the right pad either as a mouse, or set it to "mouse like joystick", crank sensitivity up, and then set the controller to also use the gyro as mouse, but with lower sensitivity. Use the trackpad for sweeping movements like looking around or turning, use the gyro for aiming).
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Spectre: The DS4 pad is better and the steam pad when running steam with its customisation software is much better.
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ChrisRevocateur: It's ALL about the Steam controller for PC. I bought one about 1 1/2 years ago, and I don't even use mouse and keyboard anymore. It may take me a few hours to get a good controller profile set up for a game that doesn't normally use a controller, but it's better than a hunched back and static posture enforced by mouse and keyboard use. With tweaking and personalization (as well as understanding the tricks of the controller) I'm not even any better with mouse and keyboard than I am with a Steam controller in FPS or any other type of game. (FPS hint, use the right pad either as a mouse, or set it to "mouse like joystick", crank sensitivity up, and then set the controller to also use the gyro as mouse, but with lower sensitivity. Use the trackpad for sweeping movements like looking around or turning, use the gyro for aiming).
I wanted to use the steam controller but does it need steam to be used or can you use it without steam? if so I might buy one to try it out and see the hype around those touch sensor pads for mouse and keyboard.
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DreamedArtist: I wanted to use the steam controller but does it need steam to be used or can you use it without steam? if so I might buy one to try it out and see the hype around those touch sensor pads for mouse and keyboard.
The game has to be launched through Steam, but it doesn't have to be a Steam game. You can add games to the Steam launcher through the very top menus. Games > Add a non-Steam game to my Library...

The reason it's like this is because Steam itself is the controller mapping software and driver for the controller.

I understand a lot of people on these boards are vehemently anti-Steam, but you can download and install the launcher, then just add all your non-Steam games to the library without ever having to buy a single game on the Steam store.

Seriously, if you want to use a controller on PC, the Steam controller is completely the way to go. It's got a learning curve though. You're gonna be struggling with it for the first couple weeks, and you're gonna have to learn how to set it up and what works specifically for you. The Steam controller is NOT plug and play by any means.

I suggest checking out ExistentialEgg, Woodsy, and BRBWaffles on YouTube, they all have some great videos on how to set up and use the Steam controller.
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DreamedArtist: I wanted to use the steam controller but does it need steam to be used or can you use it without steam? if so I might buy one to try it out and see the hype around those touch sensor pads for mouse and keyboard.
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ChrisRevocateur: The game has to be launched through Steam, but it doesn't have to be a Steam game. You can add games to the Steam launcher through the very top menus. Games > Add a non-Steam game to my Library...

The reason it's like this is because Steam itself is the controller mapping software and driver for the controller.

I understand a lot of people on these boards are vehemently anti-Steam, but you can download and install the launcher, then just add all your non-Steam games to the library without ever having to buy a single game on the Steam store.

Seriously, if you want to use a controller on PC, the Steam controller is completely the way to go. It's got a learning curve though. You're gonna be struggling with it for the first couple weeks, and you're gonna have to learn how to set it up and what works specifically for you. The Steam controller is NOT plug and play by any means.

I suggest checking out ExistentialEgg, Woodsy, and BRBWaffles on YouTube, they all have some great videos on how to set up and use the Steam controller.
Might check it when amazon has a sale but remember this, the average user just want's plug and play and no loops or learning curve. this controller was not men't for that demographic from what reviews and some people where talking about on tech forums I was on when modding controllers for arcade cabinets. and I noticed sales of that controller had died due to these issues and build quality that linus tech tips ripped on in a video. god damn store near me charges 70 dollars for one, so holidays will have to be a thing for this...

https://www.amazon.ca/Valve-Steam-Controller-Windows-Linux/dp/B016KBVBCS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506555888&sr=8-1&keywords=steam+controller
Post edited September 28, 2017 by DreamedArtist
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ChrisRevocateur: The game has to be launched through Steam, but it doesn't have to be a Steam game. You can add games to the Steam launcher through the very top menus. Games > Add a non-Steam game to my Library...

The reason it's like this is because Steam itself is the controller mapping software and driver for the controller.

I understand a lot of people on these boards are vehemently anti-Steam, but you can download and install the launcher, then just add all your non-Steam games to the library without ever having to buy a single game on the Steam store.

Seriously, if you want to use a controller on PC, the Steam controller is completely the way to go. It's got a learning curve though. You're gonna be struggling with it for the first couple weeks, and you're gonna have to learn how to set it up and what works specifically for you. The Steam controller is NOT plug and play by any means.

I suggest checking out ExistentialEgg, Woodsy, and BRBWaffles on YouTube, they all have some great videos on how to set up and use the Steam controller.
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DreamedArtist: Might check it when amazon has a sale but remember this, the average user just want's plug and play and no loops or learning curve. this controller was not men't for that demographic from what reviews and some people where talking about on tech forums I was on when modding controllers for arcade cabinets. and I noticed sales of that controller had died due to these issues and build quality that linus tech tips ripped on in a video. god damn store near me charges 70 dollars for one, so holidays will have to be a thing for this...

https://www.amazon.ca/Valve-Steam-Controller-Windows-Linux/dp/B016KBVBCS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506555888&sr=8-1&keywords=steam+controller
If you want completely plug and play, then don't play on a PC. If you don't want a learning curve, then don't try to use a controller that is a completely new paradigm in game controllers, just stick to the ones you're used to.

As for build quality, yeah, I saw that Linus Tech Tips video, and after actually using it for over a year (including over half that time living with a 2 year old that tried to destroy everything around him), I can tell you they're not correct about the build quality. No, it doesn't FEEL as solid as other controllers, because they don't add unnecessary metal and weight to it that it doesn't actually need. It's lightweight, yes, but the thing is freaking solid.

As for waiting for a sale, you can buy them directly from Valve for the normal $50, and they have 25% and 50% off sales on them every few months now it seems.

Yeah, it does seem that the sales of these controllers has dropped off, and that's unfortunate. It's unfortunate because people don't want to put effort into learning something new that could truly change the way they play games.

I'm not bagging on those that want easier devices, I'm just sad that more people aren't willing to actually try new things.
I bought the F310 to play Brothers: a tale of two sons (go get it), and I have no regrets. After playing 5 or 6 different games with the Logitech I never had to mess with any drivers. A good plug and play controller.
I also want to recommend the Steam Controller. It's my goto for shooters while on the couch. It's a shame to hear about it not selling anymore.
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Mister-Gency: I also want to recommend the Steam Controller. It's my goto for shooters while on the couch. It's a shame to hear about it not selling anymore.
Really? Didn't know 'bout that.
It's up on Amazon, though, and on the Steam page, too.

All I can say is that I highly recommend the Logitech f710 (multi-purpose controller, firm grip and ok analogs), the x360 controller (revised d-pad 'mlads) and the Steam controller, too, a whole bunch.
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Cambrey: I bought the F310 to play Brothers: a tale of two sons (go get it), and I have no regrets. After playing 5 or 6 different games with the Logitech I never had to mess with any drivers. A good plug and play controller.
Same goes to the f710, the wireless one. I couldn't agree more.
Post edited September 28, 2017 by victorchopin
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Mister-Gency: I also want to recommend the Steam Controller. It's my goto for shooters while on the couch. It's a shame to hear about it not selling anymore.
Wait, what? Valve are still selling them. That being said, I barely use mine anymore. It gets used for the odd RTS, RPG or economic sim on Steam running through the Steam Link, but it's terrible for anything not bought through Steam, and since I really only use Steam for PWYW bundles, it's become a bit superfluous. I do use it as a mouse replacement in conjunction with a Bluetooth keyboard sometimes though for GOG games through our Steam Link.

The Steam Controller is useless for any game that is dependent on fast-paced reactions with the digital d-pad or two analogue sticks, which other than as a mouse replacement really means that it's only good for racing games.

Anyway, my recommendation is for the Speedlink Torid - not the most robust of builds, but it switches reliably between DirectInput & XInput modes (essential if you play a lot of older games, as many of them process the triggers as axes and not buttons), has vibration (which the F310 doesn't), isn't dependent on AAs (which the F710 is). The analogue sticks have a decent amount of resistance, and while the deadzone is slightly larger than some of the big-hitters in the controller market, it's not large enough to really be THAT noticeable, unlike some cheapy gamepads.

The Xbox One controller is a fine device, but it has the major disadvantage of not offering a dedicated DirectInput mode, and as a result, many of them won't allow you to use the triggers as buttons unless they can be assigned as an axis (e.g. accelerator/brake in racing games) and you won't have vibration support. YMMV as to whether the latter matters to you, but the former can be a major pain in the ass.
Post edited September 28, 2017 by _ChaosFox_