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Posted March 10, 2023
If you remember the classic adventures of Tintin – better get ready, because he’s coming back! Tintin Reporter - Cigars of the Pharaoh brings the return of the famous reporter, soon on GOG!

Tintin Reporter - Cigars of the Pharaoh is inspired by the fourth volume of Adventures of Tintin, of the same title. On this adventure, Tintin and his faithful puppy, Snowy, embark on a puzzle-filled journey to solve an international drug trafficking case. After meeting with professor Sarcophagus while cruising the Mediterranean sea, the famous Belgian reporter goes on a quest to find the tomb of Pharaoh Kih-Oskh. What are the dark secrets hidden in the tomb? From Egypt to India, passing through Arabia, Tintin and Snowy will end up investigating a gigantic drug trafficking network throughout the Orient.

Soon on GOG!
Posted March 12, 2023
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Lodium: To be fair he has Point
[unnecessary politics]
It sure is nice that you're willing to grant him a point.

I only see one problem with that:
he hasn't made a point...other than that he thinks Tintin is 25 (no matter what the author himself said), and that Cameron Crowe didn't go to Soviet Russia, the Congo or Egypt, and didn't fight "important" Mafia gangs.

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arrua: Why is Tintin 15 years old?
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arrua: What?
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arrua: So, Tintin started his journalist degree at the age of 12.
Nah, I don´t care about what the author said. Tintin is 25, not 15.
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arrua: That guy [Crowe] didn´t go to the country of the Soviets, nor the Congo, didn´t fight important mafia gangs, Egypt something something and a loooooong etc.
Posted March 12, 2023
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sanscript: "Commas matter. Use commas to save lives."
Ahhh, reminds me when I had this conversation about Licurg...


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arrua: Nah, I don´t care about what the author said. Tintin is 25, not 15.
Yeah to me, he's twenty-something. It's similar to all the video games that suggest 13 year olds are archmages or warlords or master thieves. People can imagine whatever they want, as I imagine competent adult characters as 20s or 30s, and master characters as 30+.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by BlueMooner
Posted March 12, 2023
This could be a good game but a missed opportunity to use the original comic book art. The developers seem to have followed the tie-in CG movie instead.
Posted March 12, 2023
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Lodium: To be fair he has Point
The media or senivity group people have cencored or removed/edited some pages of the cartoon series
or at least tried because some woke people got offended
Do you have some examples of what was removed?
Posted March 12, 2023
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Lodium: To be fair he has Point
The media or senivity group people have cencored or removed/edited some pages of the cartoon series
or at least tried because some woke people got offended
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my name is catte: Do you have some examples of what was removed?
Quite a few things have been changed in the Tintin comics...by Herge himself...decades ago (we're talking directly after WWII here).
Reasons:
(Belgian) colonism,
violence (blowing up a rhinoceros),
racist laws in the US (black and white characters weren't allowed to be depicted in the same comic in the US, therefore black men in the original had to be changed into an Asian, respectively a white man for the US version),
also due to the US, the acohol consumption of Cpt. Haddock had to be censored (no panel depicting the captain drinking), car models got changed (modernized), etc.
Posted March 12, 2023
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my name is catte: Do you have some examples of what was removed?
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BreOl72: Quite a few things have been changed in the Tintin comics...by Herge himself...decades ago (we're talking directly after WWII here).
Reasons:
(Belgian) colonism,
violence (blowing up a rhinoceros),
racist laws in the US (black and white characters weren't allowed to be depicted in the same comic in the US, therefore black men in the original had to be changed into an Asian, respectively a white man for the US version),
also due to the US, the acohol consumption of Cpt. Haddock had to be censored (no panel depicting the captain drinking), car models got changed (modernized), etc.
if my memory is corect
a page where the captain and Tintin traded for a straw hat with some local population in africa also got
cencored or changed
Posted March 12, 2023
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BreOl72: Quite a few things have been changed in the Tintin comics...by Herge himself...decades ago (we're talking directly after WWII here).
Reasons:
(Belgian) colonism,
violence (blowing up a rhinoceros),
racist laws in the US (black and white characters weren't allowed to be depicted in the same comic in the US, therefore black men in the original had to be changed into an Asian, respectively a white man for the US version),
also due to the US, the acohol consumption of Cpt. Haddock had to be censored (no panel depicting the captain drinking), car models got changed (modernized), etc.
I figured it would be stuff like that, some of which is pretty justified (particularly if done by the author). Belgian colonialism in the Congo had already occurred to me as something which would have aged particularly badly.
The alcohol stuff is a bit sillier, but I guess it's a case of age ratings. Only the car stuff is really completely crazy to me.
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Lodium: if my memory is corect
a page where the captain and Tintin traded for a straw hat with some local population in africa also got
cencored or changed
I'd need to see the original to find out for sure, but my gut says there was probably a somewhat ignorant depiction of the Africans...
Post edited March 12, 2023 by my name is catte
Posted March 12, 2023
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Lodium: To be fair he has Point
[unnecessary politics]
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BreOl72: It sure is nice that you're willing to grant him a point.

I only see one problem with that:
he hasn't made a point...other than that he thinks Tintin is 25 (no matter what the author himself said), and that Cameron Crowe didn't go to Soviet Russia, the Congo or Egypt, and didn't fight "important" Mafia gangs.

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arrua: So, Tintin started his journalist degree at the age of 12.
Nah, I don´t care about what the author said. Tintin is 25, not 15.
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BreOl72:
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arrua: That guy [Crowe] didn´t go to the country of the Soviets, nor the Congo, didn´t fight important mafia gangs, Egypt something something and a loooooong etc.
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BreOl72:
If woke people can change the story
why cant the readers of the same comics also change it?
Wheter its his age or other stuff shoudnt really matter

he beiing 14 or 15 migth be offensive for some
and for those people it makres more sense if hes 20 or 25 or something
Posted March 12, 2023
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my name is catte: I figured it would be stuff like that, some of which is pretty justified (particularly if done by the author). Belgian colonialism in the Congo had already occurred to me as something which would have aged particularly badly.
The alcohol stuff is a bit sillier, but I guess it's a case of age ratings. Only the car stuff is really completely crazy to me.
Yeah, most of the changes were reasonable and understandable.
"Tintin in the Congo" (original from 1931) got fully redrawn (and colorized) in 1946 and cut from the 110 pages of the 1931 original, to the standardized 62 pages/comic album.

Herge himself agreed that some of his depictions/texts had been rather racist and regretted drawing/writing them.
Posted March 12, 2023
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BreOl72: Quite a few things have been changed in the Tintin comics...by Herge himself...decades ago (we're talking directly after WWII here).
Reasons:
(Belgian) colonism,
violence (blowing up a rhinoceros),
racist laws in the US (black and white characters weren't allowed to be depicted in the same comic in the US, therefore black men in the original had to be changed into an Asian, respectively a white man for the US version),
also due to the US, the acohol consumption of Cpt. Haddock had to be censored (no panel depicting the captain drinking), car models got changed (modernized), etc.
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my name is catte: I figured it would be stuff like that, some of which is pretty justified (particularly if done by the author). Belgian colonialism in the Congo had already occurred to me as something which would have aged particularly badly.
The alcohol stuff is a bit sillier, but I guess it's a case of age ratings. Only the car stuff is really completely crazy to me.
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Lodium: if my memory is corect
a page where the captain and Tintin traded for a straw hat with some local population in africa also got
cencored or changed
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my name is catte: I'd need to see the original to find out for sure, but my gut says there was probably a somewhat ignorant depiction of the Africans...
Not really
the changed got forced because the sensivity people belived the page in question deciptet the local polulace as dumb because the traded something of higher value for something cheaper

But this can happen in any trade even in a trade involving white people
but some sensivity people dicided it was offensive to africans even though its a common thing in trades between people in the rest of the world

i dont see people bliaming gog to trade games for less money towads us custommers

If the captain and tintin had added a snide remark in addition that woud be a more clear case¨
but i dont remeber the page decipting anything of that
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my name is catte: I figured it would be stuff like that, some of which is pretty justified (particularly if done by the author). Belgian colonialism in the Congo had already occurred to me as something which would have aged particularly badly.
The alcohol stuff is a bit sillier, but I guess it's a case of age ratings. Only the car stuff is really completely crazy to me.
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BreOl72: Yeah, most of the changes were reasonable and understandable.
"Tintin in the Congo" (original from 1931) got fully redrawn (and colorized) in 1946 and cut from the 110 pages of the 1931 original, to the standardized 62 pages/comic album.

Herge himself agreed that some of his depictions/texts had been rather racist and regretted drawing/writing them.
No, he got pressured to f agreed that some of his depictions/texts had been rather racist and regretted drawing/writing them
many people today and bck then even gets trheats of being fired or socially witch hunted if they dont comply with the pressure
Post edited March 12, 2023 by Lodium
Posted March 12, 2023
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Lodium: No, he got pressured to f agreed that some of his depictions/texts had been rather racist and regretted drawing/writing them
many people today and bck then even gets trheats of being fired or socially witch hunted if they dont comply with the pressure
Is it so hard to believe he might have experienced some personal growth in the space of 15 years? In 1946 no one was getting "trheats[sic] of being fired or socially witch hunted" for being racist because racism was very common. That is a completely ridiculous claim and it also does him a disservice for attempting to do better and be better.

EDIT: This is the last I'll say on the matter as I do not want to stray into politics too far. My original question has been answered.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by my name is catte
Posted March 12, 2023
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Lodium: No, he got pressured to f agreed that some of his depictions/texts had been rather racist and regretted drawing/writing them
many people today and bck then even gets trheats of being fired or socially witch hunted if they dont comply with the pressure
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my name is catte: Is it so hard to believe he might have experienced some personal growth in the space of 15 years? In 1946 no one was getting "trheats[sic] of being fired or socially witch hunted" for being racist because racism was very common. That is a completely ridiculous claim and it also does him a disservice for attempting to do better and be better.
This is from an external site

'Now that this is cleared, here the reason for the report for volume No. 9 - "The Crab with the Golden Claws".

In this volume, Hergè didn't have to change too much to create the color version. The drawings by this point were good enough that little alteration was needed, just layout changes and some page-filling panels (since the story was five pages short of the 62-pages limit). Problems only started when Tintin was about to be published in the US starting in the 60's. The American publisher's demands were harsh and hergè accepted under protest. It meant some panels had to be changed, a definite censorship due to outside forces. One reason was, that the publisher had to unmovable opinion that Blacks and Whites could never appear in a comic together, regardless of role. They also had a problem with Captain Haddock drinking alcohol. Even more annoying, this altered version is now the international printing master.

Hergè later commented the whole issue in his own, sarcastic way: "Everyone knows that Americans never drink whiskey and that there are no blacks in America.".


"Alcohol? That's forbidden!"

The publisher's stance against Captain Haddock drinking alcohol resulted in very strange demands. It was OK for him to drink alcohol, as long as the drinking itself would only happen off-panel. The scene in the lifeboat therefore was changed and two panels where Haddock is drinking from the bottle were replaced (in the first he's looking at the bootle, in the second we see the lifeboat from further away).

https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=317983
Posted March 12, 2023
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Lodium: No, he got pressured to f agreed that some of his depictions/texts had been rather racist and regretted drawing/writing them
many people today and bck then even gets trheats of being fired or socially witch hunted if they dont comply with the pressure
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my name is catte: Is it so hard to believe he might have experienced some personal growth in the space of 15 years? In 1946 no one was getting "trheats[sic] of being fired or socially witch hunted" for being racist because racism was very common. That is a completely ridiculous claim and it also does him a disservice for attempting to do better and be better.
From the wiki:
From his early years, Hergé was openly critical of racism.
He lambasted the pervasive racism of U.S. society in a prelude comment to Tintin in America published in Le Petit Vingtième on 20 August 1931, and ridiculed racist attitudes toward the Chinese in The Blue Lotus.

Peeters asserted that "Hergé was no more racist than the next man", an assessment shared by Farr, who after meeting Hergé in the 1980s commented that "you couldn't have met someone who was more open and less racist".

In contrast, President of the International Bande Dessinée Society Laurence Grove opined that Hergé adhered to prevailing societal trends in his work, and that "When it was fashionable to be a Nazi, he was a Nazi. When it was fashionable to be a colonial racist, that's what he was."

Vietnamese-American novelist Viet Thanh Nguyen wrote in 2022, after discussing Tintin's racist elements, that "Hergé’s work is deeply flawed, and yet riveting narratively and aesthetically. I have forgotten all the well-intentioned, moralistic children’s literature that I have read, but I haven’t forgotten Hergé."

I think that says all there is to say to that.
Posted March 12, 2023
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Lodium: Problems only started when Tintin was about to be published in the US starting in the 60's. The American publisher's demands were harsh and hergè accepted under protest. It meant some panels had to be changed, a definite censorship due to outside forces. One reason was, that the publisher had to unmovable opinion that Blacks and Whites could never appear in a comic together, regardless of role.
This demonstrates the opposite of what you've been trying to argue.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by my name is catte
Posted March 12, 2023
Are there going to be any QTE-events in this game?
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