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The dark side of Pluto.


Battlezone: Combat Commander is coming soon, DRM-free on GOG.com.
A faithful remaster of the classic RTS/FPS hybrid, featuring remastered visuals, mod support, online multiplayer, and the same unique gameplay that fans of the series remember fondly. Take the role of Lt. John Cooke as you return to the alternate 1990s timeline to deal with the results of an unwise series of experiments. Improving upon the original, this sequel added more weapons, vehicles and unpredictable battlefields, while expanding upon the dual nature of the gameplay.
Post edited November 30, 2017 by maladr0Id
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Vissavald: Well, are there in modern game industry any more ideas besides reselling the old ideas?
Yes. Selling lootboxes. Go to Origin to get them :)
Nice. I am sure to get this at some point, even though I have the retail version of BZ2 as well (just never installed nor played it). Same goes to the first Battlezone though, they've been on my to-do list for many many years.

Question about the remakes of the first game + Red Odyssey: is there any reason whatsoever to try play the original, or do these remakes completely overshadow them, having everything the originals had but with better graphics etc.?

I usually like to play the famous classics first vanilla (originals) just to see how well they have dated, and then play the remakes. Especially if the remake is missing some stuff from the original, e.g. some of the music. But if it is exactly the same game with just better graphics, then I might just as well go with the remake instead...

I've had a similar question in mind with e.g. the Homeworld games, which I've meant to play too.
Homeworld is fantastic, but I've heard Remastered had flight formation bugs and took out the fuel gauge of strike craft(which defeats the purpose of them not being warp capable).
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timppu: Nice. I am sure to get this at some point, even though I have the retail version of BZ2 as well (just never installed nor played it). Same goes to the first Battlezone though, they've been on my to-do list for many many years.

Question about the remakes of the first game + Red Odyssey: is there any reason whatsoever to try play the original, or do these remakes completely overshadow them, having everything the originals had but with better graphics etc.?

I usually like to play the famous classics first vanilla (originals) just to see how well they have dated, and then play the remakes. Especially if the remake is missing some stuff from the original, e.g. some of the music. But if it is exactly the same game with just better graphics, then I might just as well go with the remake instead...

I've had a similar question in mind with e.g. the Homeworld games, which I've meant to play too.
Can´t comment on Homeworld, but Battlezone is not remake, it´s redux - it´s the original game, refurbished and polished by some of the former developers and it is the same game, but with better graphics - the code running underneath should be almost the same as the original versions, though they changed some bits too (understand, now those guys have several years of game development under their belts, so they now how to make things better and in their stead I would do the same) - for example they completely rewrote shaders in the game, because the old ones performance wasn´t optimal nowadays.

But yeah - same game, better graphics :)
Yeahhh!
I've been waiting for this forever!

I hope it brings life back to the modding community... still waiting for that mod that makes all the custom races work with the public beta that that one dev has been working on.

EDIT:
Wait, is this doing to be different than the CD version?
Will it include the Public Beta Patch:
http://matesfamily.org/bz2/
Post edited November 30, 2017 by fulano5321
Yes! Been waiting for this for so long. Now just add vr support for this and the world would be complete. :D
I don't mean to be a "graphics whore" here, but for a remaster the graphics are quite unimpressive when compared to the original.
Very interesting - original was just damn great, and if we get at least halfway decent looks that should just be perfect.
glad to see this GOG. i rarely bother to see a game all the way through, but i could never put this one down. very satisfying gameplay with a little re-playability due to the branching storyline.
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Vissavald: Well, are there in modern game industry any more ideas besides reselling the old ideas?
What a silly question to ask.

Of course there are. New games are released all the time. If you haven't noticed that, you're simply not paying attention.

On the other hand, you're at "GoG..." which is short for "Good Old Games." It's a site created to focus, primarily, on updating, fixing, and selling older games in a way that allows them to be run on modern systems.

To complain about "old games" being released... ON GOG... is pretty much the definition of insanity, I think.

Personally, I want, very much, to be able to play my older games. However, Microsoft, etc, have worked... in some cases, quite hard... to ensure that, rather than being able to play games we already own, we have to buy new games.

I've been able to figure out how to play some older stuff on my own... stuff that "technically" can't run on newer OS's. Then again, I'm also one of those people who figured out the cheap trick used to prevent "Doom 3" and "Thief 3" (aka "Deadly Shadows") from running on Win98, and was able to make them both run on that system (hint... it was "icon resource" element, hard-coded into the EXE, which did this, in both cases! Yep... the ICON embedded into the EXE was the only thing... it was an icon defined at a higher resolution than Win9x allowed. Two hex characters altered, and a separate Icon file assigned to the game in the OS... and both games worked flawlessly in the "ancient" OS.

Why play older stuff? Well, first off... not "all older stuff." There has been a lot of "chaff" put out over the years, much of which I have literally zero interest in replaying.

But those things which I enjoyed, when they came out... which had great gameplay, great storytelling, great experiences in general... THOSE I want to be able to play again, if I want to.

The "why old stuff" argument is ludicrous. Nobody complains that reading Shakespeare's stuff is "stoopid" because it's not new. Nobody complains that the Mona Lisa sucks because it's not new. Nobody (at least nobody in their right mind) suggests that "The Maltese Falcon" is too old to be enjoyed, and should be remade with Zack Galafa-whats-his-name starring.

I'm sorry... art retains its value.

But... in some cases, the art was hobbled by, at the time, technical limitations. Limitations which no longer exist.

So... we get "remastered" versions of a variety of games. The same content... the same story... but made able to be run today, without the artifacts of the older HARDWARE limitations.

You can play Duke Nukem 3D in glorious HD. You can play Doom (the original) with full 3D rendering and real 3D models. The game remains the same, but the presentation is improved.

There are games I'd KILL (figuratively speaking) to get in a "modernized" state. Imagine the original "X-Wing" and "TIE Fighter" games, but played from inside of a photorealistic, fully 3D, VR cockpit. (And yes, with a return to the wonderful, and now lost, "iMuse" type music... rather than pre-recorded, music which ADAPTS to what's happening, on the fly.)

You could give up the old, pixelated 2D interface... the colored polygon models... but keep the gameplay and story essentially unchanged. As we remember it, not as it was (due to technological limitations).

"Old" is not synonymous with "worthless." In fact, the "old' stuff which is regularly getting remade and updated is the stuff which has borne the test of time.

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Crosmando: I don't mean to be a "graphics whore" here, but for a remaster the graphics are quite unimpressive when compared to the original.
How so? At first blush, the graphics seemed to be identical to me. I had to look more closely to notice the much higher polygon counts, clearer texturing, etc.

Are you under the impression that the original is BETTER? Or just that the update isn't a major one as you see it?
Post edited November 30, 2017 by CLBrown
Hell yes! I had to check the wiki to see if this is BattleZone 2 and it is! It was my favourite of the serie.
Instabuy incoming.
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CLBrown: Are you under the impression that the original is BETTER? Or just that the update isn't a major one as you see it?
The latter.
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Crosmando: I don't mean to be a "graphics whore" here, but for a remaster the graphics are quite unimpressive when compared to the original.
Yeah, I'm tending to agree. The models and textures look nicely redone but the lighting and special effects are severely lacking. Overall look comes across as 'cheap' or quick fix.
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Crosmando: I don't mean to be a "graphics whore" here, but for a remaster the graphics are quite unimpressive when compared to the original.
I didn't realize it was a remaster until I read your reply. LOL
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VeryBumpy: The models and textures look nicely redone but the lighting and special effects are severely lacking. Overall look comes across as 'cheap' or quick fix.
Frankly I think the models and textures are not nicely done. The models may have a much higher polygon count to be more rounded and generally have nicer shapes but it looks like no significant detail was added. Details that were originally only on the textures but would be modelled into the mesh in a modern title still seem to be only present in the materials. And the texture resolution seems to be pretty high now but no effort was put into giving the materials any depth, all the detail looks like it was just painted onto flat surfaces. I think that's the main reason why the game looks so awkward. The other thing being that the terrain seriously lacks detail and variation and again, its materials lack depth. But yeah, you're right, the lighting and effects also look like they've been barely retouched.

That said, personally I do like the looks of this remaster but then again, I'm also someone who likes the aesthetics of many early 3D titles which look eye cancerous to many other players, even ones who grew up with these kinds of games.