I did write down my elaborations for this in post 339

One more heh.
nervous sweat

I also elaborated on this in post 339, same paragraph I quoted. I don't believe scum would shoot other scum at this point of the game.

It works for me.

So when that arsonist was flipped/investigated, they turned out to be town? Not sure I follow you here. Knowledge can be a heavy burden, if my Secret Hitler experiences were any indicator. But, what burned you exactly? The knowledge of a serial killer, or focusing on figuring out the existence of one?

No, this was mostly a jab at Trent. Someone (can't remember if it was the arsonist or his bodyguard) claimed it was a Town aligned role which was a lie. Trent bought that claim hook, line and sinker and since then I've taken any and every chance to remind him of that :)


I was the arsonist's first victim.

2 people knew about the arsonist - the arsonist himself and his bodyguard. I believe the bodyguard didn't know who the arsonist was, just that it existed and he needed to protect him in order to win. If I remember correctly the bodyguard, I think it was JMich, was also publicly preocupied with stuff that one wouldn't and shouldn't consider intially in a normal game without additional knowledge which kind of gave it away and they had to claim that it was a Town arsonist.

That's pretty much my whole point - getting locked on something that isn't that common while you yourself noticed the villain count in the flavor seems a bit weird and it may be driven from that extra knowledge.

Does anyone other than the two who voted him (scene and Koro) seriously believe scum blotunga would make such a slip?

Quite a bit to catch up since last night. Please be warned, it's going to take a while longer than usual; I had blood drawn this morning, and the nurse, on top of not being pretty, did a lousy job, so now I have a badly bruised vein and need to take frequent breaks from using the mouse and typing, otherwise my right arm and hand go numb.

For starters:

I hope Fran67's a left-over from D1?

I'll be back as soon as I can.

What should you believe? That he's scum? If he were scum wouldn't he have claimed doctor?

Actually yes, I will say that you jump the train. I think the explanation sounds true - given that Zephyr and Sapphire are very close in blotungas own language I can see him misunderstanding the flavour. I don't think he would slip in that way if he were scum. Especially if ZFR was really the NK-target and blotunga were scum, he would surely not just tell us all about it. So this leaves two possibilities: either he is town who made a genuine mistake. Or he is scum who wanted to use the flavour to sow some confusion and make it look as if ZFR was targeted ... but that's a bit too contrieved. So at the moment I believe that this was a genuine mistake.

You, however, seem to be very eager to lynch on a meager reason. Therefore:

vote Korotan

Maybe but I'd imagine he panicked and thought claiming doctor was premature. He could always claim later anyway.

Do you speak Hungarian? I don't but I also don't get how you get ZFR been the intended night kill from the following passage:

While Safiros leads a salute to the fallen Saviour there is a scuffle. A flurry of activity - a shadowed blur passes across the camera.
The Saviours look about each other nervously. From the centre of a circle, the camera tracks over faces. Wary, they turn to one another. In silence the camera shows everyone's face then lifts to Safiros looking down from above. She gives a long, discerning stare as tense music builds, before the scene cuts away.


It is now the Voting Phase

Mayby it is my inexperiance, mayby it is because we have no other real leads, mayby it is because I am generall misstrusting about mistakes but for me I honestly believe we might be on a lead. Also you said we should try get as many information as possible and the only other where I think it could be something is M. Moutards all the time talking about If I where scum. Mayby I am jumping because I think because of minorities that it might be but then, show me where other leads are?

A gentleman never tells.

Being vague and not giving any info is my MO though, you'll get used to it. :P

I don't like what I'm seeing. I'm not sure if scene is reaching (and I do think he is reaching with this) intentionally or not - I'm getting a drealmer vibes from him so it's not impossible that he genuinely believes what he says but I don't know. It doesn't feel exactly right.

I would like SPF to be more active and interactive but then again he has health issues so I don't dare put lots of weight on it and make a huge deal out of it. I do see him as lurky.

ZFR I'm not sure about. There are weird things vibes around him but then he is getting pushed and accused by people who I don't feel great about, so I'm not sure what to think.


I don't know if blotunga would have made such a slip but I find the whole situation being blown out of proportion for sure.

I completely accept your explanation with regard to thinking Zephyr was mentioned by name in the flavour. The fact you immediately jumped to the conclusion that he therefore must be town is kind of weird though.

Can you explain why ZFR being mentioned would mean he was the target?

You have my respect for not being of the "reading OPs and rules is for suckers" school. But I am saddened that you came out with it this way, as it interferes a bit with my scum-hunting.


I'm with ZFR on this. I think JoeSapphire wanted to have the Tyrannosaur role in the game, but since it's too disruptive, he used the Naive modifier on it so that Fran67 was essentially a VT (Vanilla Townie).

If that modifier is out of the roster for other roles in the game since it was used once remains to be seen.

Also, the sample PM in the OP suggests that a role may have more than one modifiers.


@mod - is it possible for the same modifier to be used on more than one role?
And do I read it correctly that a role may be subject to more than one modifier?



Now that the mod's list of roles & modifiers was brought into the open, what's with the bus-driver mention?


I've not played with him before, so can't rule it out with any degree of certainty. I'd go with seems pretty unlikely mostly because his reaction and tone in post #310 reads to me like he genuinely believed that you were mentioned in the flavour, and was rather baffled with everyone telling him that you weren't.



We don't disagree that the mafia wouldn't target one of their own. My question, however, is, and has been since I first asked, why you are sure (as you say here) that mafia not targeting their own means that the NK-target is town.
In case my question isn't clear enough for you - why do you discard the possibility it was someone non-town?



Perhaps not all of them genuinely are?


What do you make of Lifthrasil jumping on Korotan for the latter being "very eager to lynch on a meager reason", while not batting an eye at supplementscene for doing exactly the same?



Where to start...

Really, supplementscene? blotunga's either Mafia or Doctor, and that's why he thought the intended NK-target was ZFR? And if he's the Doctor, he should come out and confirm his role?


Where did I say that it could be a Roleblocker specifically?

Yes I think Blotunga being mafia is the only logical explanation, unless he's doctor. I suppose if he is doctor he won't want to out himself. If you choose to believe otherwise, that's your read (or agenda if you're Scum) but I believe I'm right here. I'm actually suprised almost everyones bought his explanation.

You insinuated it could be a roleblocker didn't you? Trent asked if there was a roleblocker and who they blocked. TBH I forgot roleblocker as a role when I thought it was a doctor

I assume Liftrasil voted for Korotan for being second on the wagon. I was first on the wagon and have genunely good reason for starting it. Still being second on a wagon doesn't make it a massively established wagon

I'm not sure why you're insinuating the targeted Night Kill might not be Town. Are you suggesting that there maybe another faction?

[emphasis added]

Can you, please, quote the part of the flavour that says what I've highlighted in your post?


No offence, but I'm in the same boat as dedoporno regarding this part - I don't understand what you mean to say here. Could you, please, rephrase it?



This sounds like you're saying that you are after the same knowledge the mafia is. Knowledge that would have been public if we had a NK. Now that we have no NK, mafia failed to get that info (assuming that they did indeed attempt one), and it should be safe enough to assume they're still interested in it.

Can you see how wondering and asking about it in the game-thread the way you have looks? Which raises the question - are you tripping over yourself as inexperienced town or inexperienced mafia?


Have you read all of the other posts since you were last on? If you have, why do you discard the case the intended NK-target possibly being non-town? If you haven't, please do, and let me know if this is still your take.

Also, how are those ISO's going?



Isn't supplementscene voting blotunga for the same reasons? Why does he get a pass?



Gotcha.



So now it's I insinuated? Regardless, please point me to an actual post of mine where I directly or indirectly said the alternative could be a Roleblocker specifically.


Is your name dedoporno? No offence, but quoting my whole post doesn't mean everything in it is addressed to you, so I'm kindly asking you not to butt in on exchanges I'm trying to have with other players.


Should I assume that you're also of the "reading OPs and rules is for suckers" school?


And I'm out. My hand and arm are killing me, and I need a longer break. Will try to check in later tonight.