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mrkgnao: Do you care whether these offline installers are up to date, or do you just want any offline installer?

Because it's safe to assume that about 1-2% of your installers are outdated relative to the version on galaxy (and a few more percents relative to steam).
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RavenCrowwise: Indeed, so I've heard, this is even more troublesome in my perspective. And I am taking that into consideration. I have also built installers myself for DRM free games I taken from Steam and Epicstore. I am really into having my stuff offline and archived.

Lets see what the future holds for us.

:)
A sensible approach.

Since I have joined GOG six years before you did, your future is already my distant past, which might explain why I have given up on giving GOG the benefit of the doubt.
Post edited January 11, 2021 by mrkgnao
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WeirdoGeek: Is there a place to go to get on the boycott list or are you just adding to it as people say that's what they're doing on here? If the latter, did you see my post earlier, because I'm boycotting too until Devotion is released.
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mrkgnao: The latter, and you are already listed. See here: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/post1 (you're #35).
Thank you kindly!

Also, GOG just posted two promo tweets. Guess what happened in replies.
People who say eks di:

1) javihyuga
There isn't much of an alternative for DRM-free games for me, so I'll be staying here. If offline installers go away then I will. Have already bought almost all of the games that interest me. There might be about three dozen or so more. Hoping GOG picks up some of the older games I'd want but not holding my breath. The Terminator, Terminator 2029, Terminator: Rampage, Stratosphere: Conquest of the Skies, Entombed (Enhanced), Electronic Popple, Metal Heart, and a few more would definitely not be passed up.
"Tell the GOG team we aren't appreciating their work anymore" is the 6th most active wish in 7 days. Keep it up! Let's bring it to the top 5 so more people could notice it from the main page of Community Wishlist!

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/tell_the_gog_team_we_arent_appreciating_their_work_anymore
First post updated to #380.
Like the idea
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joppo: Au contraire, my friend. I am no master, in fact I even described how I needed Google Translate. Maybe you can show me a good teacher? ;)
Well as they say, things often get lost or misunderstood in translation ... though you seem to be mastering the art, so kudos to you.

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joppo: About the quality of the conversation among most forum regulars I'd say this is a desirable side effect of the original focus of Gog's values and releases attracting older, wiser people over the crowd of toxic horny teenagers that are so easy to find in Steam forums (or so I've heard). :)
Sadly this is also another characteristic we've been slowly losing as Gog becomes more known and accessible, but there's nothing we can – or should – do about that.
Alas things never stay the same for long, and it usually pays to move with the times, grow your pie, adjust your approach, etc. You can't please all of the people all of the time. GOG served a different demographic in the beginning to what they do now no doubt, even though many from the earlier group remain, albeit as a much smaller ever dwindling proportion. Objectives change over time. And you have to admire that they have lasted this long with the DRM-Free objective, which while popular amongst a lot of customers (especially old ones), is much less popular amongst DEVs and PUBs and the younger demographic.

The Lion's share of Gamers, seem quite happy with Steam, and that is where most of the money lies, and most of the youth no doubt. GOG cannot stay static or hope to survive if they take that approach, so often survival means compromise. The trick is staying true enough to yourself while doing so. While GOG still provide the greater proportion of their games DRM-Free, they are mostly staying true to their original aim, and while I am not happy about some GOG things, life always tends to be give and take and you need to be flexible. Sometimes you need to change DRM believers and supporters from the inside out ... lure them in and show them the benefits of DRM-Free ... like with China, that sometimes means meeting them half way ... diplomacy is what works, not war.

Certainly as a Gamer Society, more are used to and happy with Steam etc now, than they were 12 years or so ago ... most have just gotten used to Steam and not really known much else. That means as a percentage, DRM-Free lovers are now a smaller section of the Gamer Society pie. So it has become a much tougher sell in some regards. Maybe GOG hoped the situation would be far better by now, and so are taking a different approach. They may have the same ideal, but are taking a more devious way to get there, and because none of us are on a need to know standing, we just see and think the worst.

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joppo: But I digress and we're veering into a subject that has nothing to do with the thread's. If you want to pursue this or even think we can have a better dialogue about this boycott in private my chat is always open.
Well I feel I have already said what I needed or felt compelled to say. It is just responding to those who misunderstood or missed bits that keeps me responding now. The occasional thing needs further illumination. So hardly worth a PM over it, where we would no doubt just cover old ground. I prefer PMs to be less serious and more light-hearted ... like a chat between friends.
Post edited January 12, 2021 by Timboli
First off, there's no way in hell I'm abandoning GOG. As long as they adhere to DRM-Free policies. That's why I'm here. Humble quit doing it, sans a bunch of shitty shovelware they release on the trove. I'm sorry if someone here may have made those games, they're shitty and they're a waste of time and effort.

Yeah, they push galaxy a lot. I don't care, because I do not use it nor the steam client. In fact, I just buy games from Steam, hop on my ship and get a version without DRM that way. So the developer gets their money and so does steam, but I don't have to download the damn client.

Let me give it to you straight. I do not have an internet connection, I use my mobile for everything. So that means I also don't play anything online, nor do I care about PVP, multi-player or anything that isn't SP or couch co-op. I only download offline installers. I've experienced no real problems with most of the games, sans ancient titles that do not run well on Windows 10 to begin with. I just count it a loss and move on. Those older games are not very expensive anyway. Sure, it would be nice if someone could fix them, but that would come in the form of development, which happened with the Terminal Cuts of Bloodrayne 1&2 which fixed all the problems. GOG are not miracle workers, some of these games just aren't ever going to work properly no matter how many tweaks are added and some definitely require patches and such to be able to function. Now GOG could have added these, they added the fan patch for VTMB.

I have no idea what's going on with epic and I've just ignored galaxy. My offline installers don't even ask me to install galaxy, they just show games I can buy, like has been since the beginning.

I get the Devotion situation, but it is a really shitty game. I watched the playthrough of it and I have so many bones to pick with all of these developers regarding "survival horror games."
In a real survival situation, a person can and will use any object to defend themselves. I have been in those situations before, so I have experience. The first thing you pick up is what you will need to defend yourself. Even Resident Evil knew that a knife was "not enough for this mission." Yet somehow the creator of Penumbra (which I hated) gained fame through reaction channels on YouTube and was able to push crap like Amnesia which led to Outlast, where you are a grown man running around with a camera in a dangerous situation. I get that it is a game, but it doesn't make sense. I should be able, as a player to use anything and everything that I can get my hands on as a means of defense. Devotion interested me, until I realized that you can't just pick up the pot sitting in the sink and bash someone over the head with it. Laugh if you want, that is how survival works and I blame all these reaction youtubers for making these unrealistic survival games popular. Maybe if Taiwan releases something that isn't a knock off of Amnesia or Outlast, then I will be interested. And this is no troll. I would very much head to Taiwan, go to Red Candle Games personally and explain to these developers who have dealt with real survival situations involving China that this does not reflect true survival. And yes, the monster, demon or enemy should also be able to use items against you. This way, you aren't just walking around, dealing with occasional jump scares, or a moment of chase - rather you are armed and have a fighting chance against something that is equally armed and can use everything in the same area against you. That's true survival. Not running around with a camera like an idiot. But that's enough, I have already written a whole article about this on my website. Survival should be survival.

I've been a loyal supporter of GOG for a while, and there's really nowhere else I buy my games. Itch has a bunch of shovelware and woke garbage, aside from a few notable titles. You know, GOG even went back on their no visual novel policy and started putting them up. Now I'm not gonna forgive them about Senran Kagura, which was going to go up DRM-Free according to Xseed. I guess that fell through and I'd had the money ready for it. Damn, I was looking forward to some "ninja waifu combat clothes ripping action." I even asked Xseed about it and the publisher did not respond. Bizarre. But I got over it.

Ultimately, I'm here to stay as long as there is nothing else. I'd love for all PC gamers to just boycott all the companies and refuse new releases, even indie titles until DRM was removed and offline installers were mandatory for every game ever released on PC and I am not kidding. You can do this with adult hentai and porn games via MangaGamer, Jast and DLSite, so why do these big tech companies have to force their clients and
DRM when it comes to non-adult games? Heck, I'd rather it be like the old days, where you just enter a code to install the game that you would get in a manual (which would in this case be an email or a purchase message). But that's more extreme than the OP. Yeah, it can be a bit much to want all PC gamers to boycott every PC game ever released with DRM until DRM is no longer a thing, nor clients, but that's my dream. People are gonna pirate the stuff anyway, but hey - at least some people still pay for it.

So my demands:

- Keep it DRM-Free

- Add defensive items into Penumbra, Amnesia, Outlast 1&2, Soma, Devotion and every other "survival horror" game where I'm expected to run around like a defenseless idiot.

- Remove DRM from every PC game in existence and make clients optional. That is my ideal game shopping experience. Quit treating your customers like criminals. People buy things they enjoy.
Post edited January 12, 2021 by thefallenalchemist
Oh, one more thing. Stop removing or censoring the adult content from games that have uncensored versions available. If I know there are steamy scenes in a game, I should have them available to me because I paid for the product. Who wants a hamburger with no meat? I'm not vegan, I'll die early. Just give me the content that you would originally have in these games and quit porting the steam versions. Or at the very least, require an age identifier and allow the uncensored content patches to be available.

Remember the first rule of retail: The customer is always right.
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eando52: The games I bought from GOG are the kind I might enjoy. I can relate to Star Wars, and have a fair idea of the genres I may like.
If you like older games and have not looked at Star was Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, then I would suggest checking them out, Awesome gameplay and story in my opinion. And if you like those type of games then you should checkout Fallout 1 and 2, older games that are magnificent and then there is Planescape Torment (Rpg games) one of the best story games out there :)

Knights of the old republic 1
https://www.gog.com/game/star_wars_knights_of_the_old_republic

Knights of the old republic 2
https://www.gog.com/game/star_wars_knights_of_the_old_republic_ii_the_sith_lords

Planescape torment
https://www.gog.com/game/planescape_torment_enhanced_edition

Fallout 1
https://www.gog.com/game/fallout

Fallout 2
https://www.gog.com/game/fallout_2

Bonus - Elder scrolls games (There are more newer and older)
https://www.gog.com/game/the_elder_scrolls_iii_morrowind_goty_edition
https://www.gog.com/game/elder_scrolls_iv_oblivion_game_of_the_year_edition_deluxe_the
Post edited January 12, 2021 by halldojo
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eando52: Stop removing or censoring the adult content from games that have uncensored versions available
Note that digital versions of Fallout 1 were censored too. (dialogues, perks images etc. — mostly drugs related stuff). And there is no children NPCs if I remember correctly.
Post edited January 12, 2021 by Amiko Novich
The support didn't answer me anymore after I sent them the list of games where I got this, and I don't think they do, unfortunately.

I'm coming back to warn you, following what I said.
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Ganyse: The support didn't answer me anymore after I sent them the list of games where I got this, and I don't think they do, unfortunately.
Yeah, sometimes they do stuff, but more often they say "we'll look into it" or "we'll do something" and then nothing gets done.

Well at least you tried.
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Ganyse: Recently, games that are supposed to be DRM-free (launched without Galaxy, well with offline setup) are establishing an online connection, for an undisclosed reason, even for games that don't have an online connection.
I saw it because I configured my firewall to block connections and tell me what to try to connect before I decide whether to allow it or not
This product has been on the market for about 3 months, I would say.
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GamezRanker: Also during install, the installers connect to the net to display some game card info correctly.
(like either a click to buy or click to download button on the installer game card screens)
I don't know if it has been answered, but it seems not to be true. At least for old offline installers.

I have recently install The Book of Unwritten Tales (it has an old installer version 2.0.0.4) and it was containing outdated referral links to web pages that are no more available on GOG, such as Blood Rayne and Planescape Torment original classic versions. So it seems that in old offline installers it connects to the internet only when you interact with this "download now" images during installation process.