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General discussionBethesda Hasn't Given Up on Paid Mods or Giving Modders the Short End of the Stick(206 posts)(206 posts)
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Posted September 17, 2017
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nightcraw1er.488: Concept - against big companies and money grabbing ejits grabbing big lumps of cash for nothing, yes.
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Siannah: Servers to host the data, a payment system, the whole infrastructure behind it.... not nothing sry.
Yes the actual work on the mods (or paid mini-dlc, whatever) is done by modders, not Bethesda. But gamers denying a payment system = grabbing big lumps of content for nothing.

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nightcraw1er.488: Of course they could have charged before, some mods even went commercial. There a no difference other than scale.
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Siannah: Nope, they simply couldn't charge jack shit. Those mods that went commercial, the mod-teams gotten bought out / offered a job.

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nightcraw1er.488: Mod workshop got hammered by fans and Beths wasn't happy either, hence why they have gone their own route with paid mods.
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Siannah: Valve was it who pulled the plug on paid mods, not Bethesda. Since Bethesda needed the server infrastructure for mods on console anyway (planned for F4), they went all the way.

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nightcraw1er.488: Skyui - you demonstrate exactly the point. Skyui has a ton of work put into it and improves skyrim no end. Some guy release a simple mesh with a texture, likely nicked off the net and changed a bit so it won't get recognised, and gets a ton of money - is exactly what is wrong with paid mods.
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Siannah: And you missed the point.
The same guys claiming mods should be free / a payment system being evil per se / still promoting or even claiming the donation system being the better option, failed to deliver on that. Again and again, since years.

When the mod seen as most essential (SkyUI) with just the donation option get's outperformed by a run-of-the-mill mod thanks to a payment system with a shitty cut for the modder, the gaming community should reflect on that.
Instead they offered the SkyUI team even thinking about offering the newest version for $1 death threats and blamed them to be greedy fucks.
When you have greedy, piss-poor leaders in a world, it isn't long before you end up with greedy, ignorant citizens. So no, I don't feel bad for the poor SkyUI modders. But I do feel bad for the children that get raised in an environment that isn't fit for maggots and cockroaches.
Posted September 17, 2017
Great point rich!

And that has what to with game mods? :P

Next time, try breaking the Prozacs in half.
Post edited September 17, 2017 by tinyE
Posted September 17, 2017
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richlind33: When you have greedy, piss-poor leaders in a world, it isn't long before you end up with greedy, ignorant citizens. So no, I don't feel bad for the poor SkyUI modders. But I do feel bad for the children that get raised in an environment that isn't fit for maggots and cockroaches.
Which was first? The chicken or the egg? Piss-poor leaders or greedy, ignorant citizens?
... and no, I don't want an answer for that.

The thing is, the gaming community had it in their hands by supporting modders more and that since years. Be that through donations, Patreon or whatever.
Let's take SkyUI. Let's assume every donation was just $1. That's 500 gamers donating within 4 years while the mod had around 4 mio. unique downloads - which means 3'999'500 gamers used it, but only for free.
That isn't surprising, seeing that it currently has 600k endorsements vs. 4,4 mio. unique downloads - 3,8 mio. gamers didn't even bothered to say "thank you".
And that is the gaming community carrying and valuing for modders efforts? Yeah, don't wonder when they take their stuff and run at the first best opportunity.

But before blaming greedy corporations fellow gamers, take a look in the mirror. Because that is on you.
Posted September 17, 2017
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richlind33: When you have greedy, piss-poor leaders in a world, it isn't long before you end up with greedy, ignorant citizens. So no, I don't feel bad for the poor SkyUI modders. But I do feel bad for the children that get raised in an environment that isn't fit for maggots and cockroaches.
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Siannah: Which was first? The chicken or the egg? Piss-poor leaders or greedy, ignorant citizens?
... and no, I don't want an answer for that.
You get one anyway: when it comes to hierarchy, leaders *always* come first. So, garbage in -- garbage out.

If you'd like to better understand the importance of good leadership, read Rousseau's Political Economy. There are few books that can be said to be better, and none more succinct.
Post edited September 17, 2017 by richlind33
Posted September 29, 2017
Bethesda: rejoice! Creation Club comes to Steam too with Survival Mode being free for a week from the day it is released.
Posted September 29, 2017
Ugh, it's understandable to see people complain about it, when it's for good reasons (many are!), but to see some people complain that they have hundreds of mods installed and that they 'removed the ones that (they think) could interfere with it', but it still crashes, *so* the DLC is bad...

Seriously? That's some horrible logic. Start fresh and if then you get crashes without mods, that's when you complain about that.
Post edited September 29, 2017 by Pheace
Posted September 29, 2017
Personally I've hated the direction gaming has been going in for a while; everything is turning into these consolized distribution platform locked MMO cookie cutters.
Hyper realistic imagery was the thing to hide no gameplay substance (decent narrative, decent AI that's not built around E-sports, etc.), now we have all the me too bandwagon on 8 bit looks though gameplay hasn't improved.
Call me a niihilist, but in general it's all going back to the chamber pot, not progressing & all thanks to the big corp capitalist entrenchment in the industry.
It's not just steam or bethesda; I just don't think we are doing enough to get the spotlight on decent indie games; though perhaps that's a little near sighted.

Get people educated on standards in gaming & they'll call out the big players.
Post edited September 29, 2017 by MaceyNeil
Posted September 29, 2017
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MaceyNeil: Get people educated on standards in gaming & they'll call out the big players.
We can't even get people educated on how to use Google to find their answers to support questions.

edit: Oh hell, why not. ...Or to not believe fake news on websites with a big "This is a parody" banner across the top and bottom of each web page. Go skim *shudder* Snopes and see how many of those they're reporting on.
Post edited September 29, 2017 by drmike
Posted September 30, 2017
Since all modding tools are tied to Steam Workshop nowadays, I can't be bothered to care any more. Let the Steamtards pay for their mods. It's the future they chose.
Posted September 30, 2017
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fronzelneekburm: Since all modding tools are tied to Steam Workshop nowadays, I can't be bothered to care any more. Let the Steamtards pay for their mods. It's the future they chose.
Funny that you mention Steam Workshop as Skyrim Special Edition does not support it (and "normal" Skyrim has less visibility compared to it, so most of the new customers are likely to buy SE) so if players are too lazy to go to/know nothing of Nexusmods, they will have to either use BethCC or play the game "as is", i.e. without any mods.
(Goes without saying the same is true for "Fallout 4")
Posted September 30, 2017
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fronzelneekburm: Since all modding tools are tied to Steam Workshop nowadays, I can't be bothered to care any more. Let the Steamtards pay for their mods. It's the future they chose.
Not just steam, there's bethesda's own crappy launcher too.

If you do want mods though, sites like Moddb or Nexusmods are perfect.
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