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bad_fur_day1: Does it bother anyone else, asking a question then immediately logging out. You just wanted the attention didn't you.
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kevinvhengst: If I wanted attention I would do other things that asking a serious question on this forum. Sorry to offend you.
Yeah, that doesn't even make sense. If you're looking for attention, why would you log off? Anyway, good luck with your choice.

I'll just add one thing: if you're thinking about the Baldur's Gate games, I highly recommend starting with the first one and not just jumping into the second. Most people will tell you the second is far better, but there's a couple reasons why I feel you should play the first:

1) for transparancy's sake: I actually like the first better (yeah, the story is weaker and all that, but I just like the lower level play better), so I'm biased toward this one from the outset.

2) both games are one long narrative, so it's far easier to understand what's going on if you start from the beginning instead of jumping into the second with part of the story unknown to you.

3) you get a far better opportunity to ease into the rule set and get a feel for how the game system works.

4) some companions from the first game carry over into the second, and it's a good thing (IMO) to get a feel for them beforehand and see how they're really developed in the sequel.

Just a thought.
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bad_fur_day1: Does it bother anyone else, asking a question then immediately logging out. You just wanted the attention didn't you.
This is a forum, not a chat room. It's perfectly natural to ask a question one day and check out the answers at a later date.
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tburger: Fallout 1 is an obvious choice
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amok: for a beginner? only if you want them to die horribly before leaving the first vault, and if they do mange to get out, the timer will make sure they never complete the game and leave the genre in frustration...

(yes, Fallout 1 is not among my favorite games)
Fallout 2 was my first cRPG I've ever played. Well balanced, great story, great setting, great music...
Fallout 1 is the same but it's much shorter that's why I thought it's better for a beginner. Never had issuest with time limit.
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amok: for a beginner? only if you want them to die horribly before leaving the first vault, and if they do mange to get out, the timer will make sure they never complete the game and leave the genre in frustration...

(yes, Fallout 1 is not among my favorite games)
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tburger: Fallout 2 was my first cRPG I've ever played. Well balanced, great story, great setting, great music...
Fallout 1 is the same but it's much shorter that's why I thought it's better for a beginner. Never had issuest with time limit.
I'm not saying Fallout 1 is a bad game, but today I would not recommend it to a new player. historically it is very important, and everybody who have a more than minor interest in gaming should play it, but I did not find it user-friendly and I do not think it has aged very well. today there are games that do the fallout "thing" better than the original.

(and yes, I hate the time limit...)
Post edited October 17, 2017 by amok
How about the Dark Souls series or Dragon's Dogma ?
( i'm joking off course )
I don't like Baldur's Gate so it might be my bias showing, but I can hardly think of a worse choice for a beginner friendly game. It's clunky, rules-heavy, with multiple characters to manage... I don't think it's "friendly" even for veterans.
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GR00T: I'll just add one thing: if you're thinking about the Baldur's Gate games, I highly recommend starting with the first one and not just jumping into the second. Most people will tell you the second is far better, but there's a couple reasons why I feel you should play the first:

1) for transparancy's sake: I actually like the first better (yeah, the story is weaker and all that, but I just like the lower level play better), so I'm biased toward this one from the outset.

2) both games are one long narrative, so it's far easier to understand what's going on if you start from the beginning instead of jumping into the second with part of the story unknown to you.

3) you get a far better opportunity to ease into the rule set and get a feel for how the game system works.

4) some companions from the first game carry over into the second, and it's a good thing (IMO) to get a feel for them beforehand and see how they're really developed in the sequel.

Just a thought.
I like Baldur's Gate 1 and have played through it several times, but tbh it's very dated now. Its gameplay is also quite limited, with far too many fetch quests. Baldur's Gate 2 is much better in this regard, with more complex quests, deeper NPC interactions, occasional riddles etc.
I played Baldur's Gate 2 well before the 1st game, and it was one of my first crpgs...personally I didn't have any problems with it that couldn't be overcome. But I guess it's a matter of taste.
Post edited October 17, 2017 by morolf
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morolf: I like Baldur's Gate 1 and have played through it several times, but tbh it's very dated now. Its gameplay is also quite limited, with far too many fetch quests. Baldur's Gate 2 is much better in this regard, with more complex quests, deeper NPC interactions, occasional riddles etc.
I played Baldur's Gate 2 well before the 1st game, and it was one of my first crpgs...personally I didn't have any problems with it that couldn't be overcome. But I guess it's a matter of taste.
Yep, no argument: I freely acknowledge that the second is objectively superior in many (most?) ways. But for some reason I do prefer the first. A big part of that is, as I noted, that I like the low level AD&D gameplay far better than high level. I've completed BG1 around a dozen times with several games played up to the last chapter. I've completed BG2 twice. Weird, I know.
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morolf: I like Baldur's Gate 1 and have played through it several times, but tbh it's very dated now. Its gameplay is also quite limited, with far too many fetch quests. Baldur's Gate 2 is much better in this regard, with more complex quests, deeper NPC interactions, occasional riddles etc.
I played Baldur's Gate 2 well before the 1st game, and it was one of my first crpgs...personally I didn't have any problems with it that couldn't be overcome. But I guess it's a matter of taste.
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GR00T: Yep, no argument: I freely acknowledge that the second is objectively superior in many (most?) ways. But for some reason I do prefer the first. A big part of that is, as I noted, that I like the low level AD&D gameplay far better than high level. I've completed BG1 around a dozen times with several games played up to the last chapter. I've completed BG2 twice. Weird, I know.
I understand that, I actually much prefer the general atmosphere and story of Baldur's Gate 1 to the 2nd game myself (and I also prefer starting at a lower level). There's also the problem that Baldur's Gate 2 does too much at once, when you're first entering Athkathla the number of quests can be overwhelming. Baldur's Gate 1 had better pacing...unfortunately its gameplay is also quite limited, and the endless trudging around through those wilderness sections can be tiresome. It's too bad there wasn't a Baldur's Gate game that combines the strengths of 1 and 2 without the flaws :-)
Post edited October 17, 2017 by morolf
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morolf: It's too bad there wasn't a Baldur's Gate game that combines the strengths of 1 and 2 without the flaws :-)
Ah yes, perhaps the mythical Baldur's Gate 3? :P
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morolf: It's too bad there wasn't a Baldur's Gate game that combines the strengths of 1 and 2 without the flaws :-)
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GR00T: Ah yes, perhaps the mythical Baldur's Gate 3? :P
Yeah, sadly that probably was never a real option anyway.
They had too high of a level cap in Shadows of Amn imo, maybe stopping at level 11 or 12 would have been better, that would have left room for a sequel (without getting as ridiculous as Throne of Bhaal).
Post edited October 17, 2017 by morolf
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Painted_Doll: How about the Dark Souls series or Dragon's Dogma ?
( i'm joking off course )
Actually, I think Dragon's Dogma is a valid suggestion for a beginner friendly RPG. The character system is not complicated at all, and combat isn't that hard either on Normal difficulty. Now, the Dark Arisen expansion or the optional post-game battles, that might be a different story, but playing through the main story should be perfectly doable for a RPG newbie (especially when keeping in mind that someone trying to get into RPGs doesn't necessarily have to be someone new at action games as well). It's probably better with a gamepad though.
As an RPG-noob who is playing The Witcher 1 for the first time, I can confirm it is extremely beginner friendly. Controls and interface are easy to manage, combat is straight-forward, so you can focus on the amazing story.
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Caesar.: As an RPG-noob who is playing The Witcher 1 for the first time, I can confirm it is extremely beginner friendly. Controls and interface are easy to manage, combat is straight-forward, so you can focus on the amazing story.
Did you complete the first act yet?
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Caesar.: As an RPG-noob who is playing The Witcher 1 for the first time, I can confirm it is extremely beginner friendly. Controls and interface are easy to manage, combat is straight-forward, so you can focus on the amazing story.
I've just bought the first 2 on sale! Looking forward to start :-)