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Playable = 180 available to purchase
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rtcvb32: So there's less than a 100 that's PS4-only and the rest are cross platform...
Oh I missed the "available to purchase" part. Even so, my point was actually in favor of the cross-platform games, not just getting a PS4 for the exclusives, but for most new releases going forward.

Remember this question was versus a laptop. I think any modern console (PS3/X360 included) is a better choice. Although gaming PC FTW, of course.
And don't forget games you buy through the PSN store may not work when you download them.
No different to anywhere else. ;P (Just one bad experience somewhere does not make it universal. I've purchased plenty on PSN with not a single problem. Likewise GOG)
Don't forget anything you get on PS4/XBone is bound to be broken and require tons of patches that are 10Gig or larger.
No different to PC games these days. :D
Post edited May 02, 2015 by anamorphic
A laptop is better in the long run, there is more games and better deals for the PC.

For me, if there are really console titles that interest me, I buy the console disk and proceed to play the emulated version on the PC.

I get to enjoy the best of both worlds.
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anamorphic: Oh I missed the "available to purchase" part. Even so, my point was actually in favor of the cross-platform games, not just getting a PS4 for the exclusives, but for most new releases going forward.

Remember this question was versus a laptop. I think any modern console (PS3/X360 included) is a better choice. Although gaming PC FTW, of course.
Yeah... I'll agree, if you had to get a console, get a PS3/360 over a laptop...

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anamorphic: No different to anywhere else. ;P (Just one bad experience somewhere does not make it universal. I've purchased plenty on PSN with not a single problem. Likewise GOG)
Most don't, but there was one specific game issue that just never got resolved and still isn't resolved. Considering it's a closed proprietary system you can't just delete the files and redownload, TB commented he had to reformat the hard drive, go through several higher level utilities over support by Sony and still it wouldn't work... If it was just a failed download or DRM looking for a disc that wasn't there I'm not sure.


Don't forget anything you get on PS4/XBone is bound to be broken and require tons of patches that are 10Gig or larger.
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anamorphic: No different to PC games these days. :D
Only starting this console generation (And with TitanFall if I recall right started it). At worst I've seen games requiring full new downloads of 2Gig here on GoG, but most of my library of games are older titles or indie titles that are fairly small so...

If it was before this generation I don't know, since I don't use steam anymore I never had huge games to compare against. All known patches before using GoG/Steam was 200Mb or smaller... Or in cases of like Blizzard games, 2Mb usually.
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01kipper: I've seen comparisons of GTAV (for example), and the PC looks very similar PS4. So you're saying those are from computers which are beyond my price range? (It looks like I'll be able to get a laptop which meets the recommended system specs).
Those are from high end desktop computers. To get anything like that kind of spec in laptop form... you may as well get a solid gold casing for it and diamond keys while you're at it. Graphics cards are vital for games like that and laptops are normally utterly lacking in that department - usually siphoning off processing power and RAM from your CPU and RAM to create a fake GPU. But not only does that leave you with a weak, fake GPU, it also means you're not getting the CPU and RAM that are advertised. Because a chunk of that power is going towards pretending you've got a graphics card in there. Which you won't.

In short: GTA V on a reasonably priced laptop? Hell no! If you want to play anything remotely like that then you're going to need to go PS4. Just to be clear about this, I haven't bought a console since the SNES so I'm not biased in any way. It's just that there's only one clear option here.
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01kipper: 2) I am only considering a laptop PC, I do not have space for a second desktop computer and I’m not giving up my Mac :).
How is it that you don't have space for desktop, but you have space or a PS4 + 40" TV?
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01kipper: I currently have a 2009 iMac
If you have a 27" late 2009 iMac, then it should be possible to use it as a monitor for a PC. That might help make a desktop PC an option.
Post edited May 02, 2015 by ET3D
You could build a $600 desktop and still have money for a PS4.
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01kipper: snip....
I really would go against the 1.000$ laptop. Why? Because I've been there.....

In fact, I like the gaming laptops, I find them convenient as I shift frequently of place depending on my mood, plugging it into the TV with a X360 pad (perfect for GTA) or playing a point 'n' click on the side of the kitchen table....

Problem comes in the long run when your laptop specs become obsolete or that some components just break down and you can't change them as you please depending on the manufacturer....

One Vaio caught an unresolved audio plug issue (low sound volume and sound distorded), the fan became louder and louder (even for browsing the web), the blu-ray player didn't work anymore and the hard drive finally died. Could have changed the hard drive but the other issues led me to put it in the trash (recovered the RAM though).

Just 2 days ago with my primary laptop, I had the stupid idea to try updating my graphic card drivers (Radeon) to play Saints Row 4 and boom, I spent half a day going back and forth between multiple drivers update because it fucked up the backlightning of the screen (black screen thus) and disbled some "function" keyboard buttons. Tried lot of solutions but I gave up and now it's at an SVGA resolution maximum (hdmi port not recognized anymore). Needless to say it sucks a lot as I also use it for work and I can't do shit in that resolution.

So, ask yourself: are you willing to put 1.000$ in a non-adaptable product when problems arise?

==>> For your budget (and GTA 5), I think you can get around with a 800$ desktop pc coupled with a 150$ screen (unless your really want a big screen) and a X360 pad (30$ I think)
I'd go with a laptop, it will most probably cost a little bit more than PS4 but the good side is that games are much cheaper and there's plenty of discounts all over the place.

Getting a PS4 might save you some money on the hardware but the games cost a lot more and the PC is much better in the long run.

Not to leave the fact that PC is much more than gaming.
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anamorphic: Really have to agree wth Navagon. PS4 already has 482 games covering most genres - have a look, there should be something there for everyone, and you can expect every new game going forward as well. The divide between what is a PC game verses a "console" game is narrower than ever, most titles of any notoriety are going to be on both (ALL) platforms. (So saying you're not interested in current console games makes little sense to me)

Aside from that, there is no screwing around setting things up. Grab the PS4/XBOX controller and generally you're playing two minutes later. With a PC or laptop you have to fiddle with settings, installing drivers, generally muck around patching, trouble-shooting, then modding games to work properly. Consoles having standardized hardware means everything works out-of-the-box (typically). Easy patching, easy widescreen, easy controls.

Furthermore, gaming on 40" LED TVs is a real pleasure. Consider that verses a small 15" laptop, most of which I've seen the screens have terrible black levels due to the back-lighting and low contrast ratios. (Not to mention battery life). I've not researched it, but I expect you'd have to pay serious money for a laptop with a high-quality panel and graphics horse-power, and even then, only 15-17"? No, if you like to be immersed in game worlds, bigger is better, and contrast is king.

And if you want to play co-op with your family (co-op games are FUN), sitting in front of a TV with controllers is going to be far more comfortable than crowding a small laptop. Though of course you need an extra controller.

By the way, I do not own a PS4 (yet), but whether you go for that or an XBOX (I'm platform neutral), as said above, I think console gaming is the better option. (Where a top-spec gaming PC is not an option).
Some very good points, especially regarding family co-op games, thanks :). My mind is by no means made up yet at this point.
1000$ will buy you a nice bit of power (maybe even some nice Alienwear gear?) and you'll have MUCH more use from this.
Personally, I can recommend Acer Aspire - they're extremely robust.
I have a body weight of around 65 kg and I stepped on it once with my full weight, I carry it around everywhere many times a week, ... - not the slightest problem or defect yet.
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01kipper: I've seen comparisons of GTAV (for example), and the PC looks very similar PS4. So you're saying those are from computers which are beyond my price range? (It looks like I'll be able to get a laptop which meets the recommended system specs).
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Navagon: Those are from high end desktop computers. To get anything like that kind of spec in laptop form... you may as well get a solid gold casing for it and diamond keys while you're at it. Graphics cards are vital for games like that and laptops are normally utterly lacking in that department - usually siphoning off processing power and RAM from your CPU and RAM to create a fake GPU. But not only does that leave you with a weak, fake GPU, it also means you're not getting the CPU and RAM that are advertised. Because a chunk of that power is going towards pretending you've got a graphics card in there. Which you won't.

In short: GTA V on a reasonably priced laptop? Hell no! If you want to play anything remotely like that then you're going to need to go PS4. Just to be clear about this, I haven't bought a console since the SNES so I'm not biased in any way. It's just that there's only one clear option here.
Very good to know, thank you.
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01kipper: 2) I am only considering a laptop PC, I do not have space for a second desktop computer and I’m not giving up my Mac :).
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ET3D: How is it that you don't have space for desktop, but you have space or a PS4 + 40" TV?
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01kipper: I currently have a 2009 iMac
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ET3D: If you have a 27" late 2009 iMac, then it should be possible to use it as a monitor for a PC. That might help make a desktop PC an option.
I currently have a low bookcase across my living room from my couch. I could clear off some space on there for a TV on top and a console on the shelf beneath. I don't have enough room for another desk though (my primary computer is already on a desk in my living area). If I got a laptop, I'd probably be using it primarily on my dining table (which is also locating in the living area).

To your second point, I would like to be able to use both my old computer and my new system simultaneously (well not me personally, but by different members of my family).

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catpower1980: I really would go against the 1.000$ laptop. Why? Because I've been there.....

In fact, I like the gaming laptops, I find them convenient as I shift frequently of place depending on my mood, plugging it into the TV with a X360 pad (perfect for GTA) or playing a point 'n' click on the side of the kitchen table....

Problem comes in the long run when your laptop specs become obsolete or that some components just break down and you can't change them as you please depending on the manufacturer....

One Vaio caught an unresolved audio plug issue (low sound volume and sound distorded), the fan became louder and louder (even for browsing the web), the blu-ray player didn't work anymore and the hard drive finally died. Could have changed the hard drive but the other issues led me to put it in the trash (recovered the RAM though).

Just 2 days ago with my primary laptop, I had the stupid idea to try updating my graphic card drivers (Radeon) to play Saints Row 4 and boom, I spent half a day going back and forth between multiple drivers update because it fucked up the backlightning of the screen (black screen thus) and disbled some "function" keyboard buttons. Tried lot of solutions but I gave up and now it's at an SVGA resolution maximum (hdmi port not recognized anymore). Needless to say it sucks a lot as I also use it for work and I can't do shit in that resolution.

So, ask yourself: are you willing to put 1.000$ in a non-adaptable product when problems arise?

==>> For your budget (and GTA 5), I think you can get around with a 800$ desktop pc coupled with a 150$ screen (unless your really want a big screen) and a X360 pad (30$ I think)
As I've said previously, unfortunately a desktop PC is not an option for me :(. But you've made some good points about laptops that I will definitely be considering.
Post edited May 02, 2015 by 01kipper
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Ganni1987: I'd go with a laptop, it will most probably cost a little bit more than PS4 but the good side is that games are much cheaper and there's plenty of discounts all over the place.

Getting a PS4 might save you some money on the hardware but the games cost a lot more and the PC is much better in the long run.

Not to leave the fact that PC is much more than gaming.
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jdsgn: 1000$ will buy you a nice bit of power (maybe even some nice Alienwear gear?) and you'll have MUCH more use from this.
Personally, I can recommend Acer Aspire - they're extremely robust.
I have a body weight of around 65 kg and I stepped on it once with my full weight, I carry it around everywhere many times a week, ... - not the slightest problem or defect yet.
Yes, it's primarily the "other uses" which attract me the the laptop. And you are the second in this thread to specifically mention Acer Aspire, so that will certainly be a serious contender for me.
I would take a PS4 over a laptop anytime. Now, if we are talking about desktops then it is a different story...
Well, i have Ps3, wii, a laptop and a Desktop.
Planning to invest in a ps4 and a wii u.
There are several pros and cons with each
so it really depends on what you are going to use it for.

Desktops have usally high start investment but its cheap to buy games for in the long run
it also have the advantage that you can upgrade components over time and you can use it for pretty much anything.

Laptops are easy to carry around and are great for lans, school, internet partys, conventions and competitions
but a gaming laptop can be expensive and you really cant upgrade it over time so if something gets broken you are usally stuck with your broken laptop unless you want to pay a fortune in repairs
They also have issiues with heat and little bit with performance.

Consoles are usally low start investment but games can be expesive if they are brand new or some other factors.
Thankfully the emerge of indies has made it cheaper and reselling of used games also have made it better
but they arent great for multitasks and you also need to replace it if it gets broken.

Id say if you only want to game then go for a Desktop pc or a console.
If you are on a budget go for a console.
You can be lucky to pick up a used tv either free or pretty cheap.
If you plan to travel alot, doing lans, datapartys, work reletated or education get a laptop.

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Post edited May 02, 2015 by Lodium
I would take a laptop over any console anytime.