jamotide: Maybe Warlocks? Even with a Archmage they can be difficult to reliably take out if there is more than one. And they can quickly kill valuable units.

DarrkPhoenix: An army of several giants can certainly be a pain for many types of heroes, but they're trivial to beat if you have a high-level wizard with Cloud of Terror. Simply pop that on them the first round and watch them just mindlessly run in fear for the rest of the fight. Armada guard can be challenging for many heroes, with the 2 war elephants, several executioners, plus the rest of the filler units; wizard still can do well against them, but needs a decent army to accompany them. Armies of 3+ dragons are quite challenging for most heroes, with the only way I've found for handling them (without taking serious losses) is a very well-geared solo warrior with a vampiric item (although another option is an army with as many spiders as there are dragons, but I prefer not having to specifically tailor my armies to enemy forces).

mystikmind2000: I have got a quite advanced game going with all 4 first round heros at level 30.

It is interesting how most of the time the battles are routine and boring, but every now and then i get a bit of a surprise that wakes me up!

There is nothing i fear more than a powerful Forrest/druid/elf army - they are guaranteed to exact a heavy toll in casualties, every time.

Stone throwing giants, i hate them, it is guaranteed to leave me with vacant unit slots, Grrrr

Sometimes Black wizards armies have a few surprises like 2 x phoenixes or something like that and can inflict quite a bit of damage, but these kind of armies seem very rare?

As scary as these armies are none of the above armies can actually totally defeat a level 30 hero army (provided i don't screw up that is) but If i swap equipment around and forget to make sure i have enough resistance, Medusas can easily wipe out and defeat, dead kill destroy my level 30 hero army or sometimes if i have a heavy melee army, that tens to be very vulnerable to large spider armies.

Mind you, with a level 30 wizard army, none of the above can touch it - provided i am willing to spend the crystals that is! It is the ultimate invincible force... the only thing that can threaten it is an army of Dragons, in which case you would want any other level 30 hero army other than a wizard!

jamotide: But Warlocks have very high resistance. If there are many of them, I often have problems killing them all in round 1 with my Archmages.

GOGwiiisfun: I see that you've warmed up to wizards, huh? They're very powerful, but they do eat up a lot of gems.

GOGwiiisfun: As for the actual question, in the really late game, the only enemies that are really threatening are high level enemy heroes and their armies. Sure, some enemies are annoying and might take out a few of your veteran units if you don't swap them out for cannon fodder, but they don't really pose that much of a real threat to you. Only an absolutely insane enemy force, such as 7 dragon, really poses a huge threat to you, and even then there are ways of dealing with it.

GOGwiiisfun: But an enemy hero can use all of the crazy tactic that you use against neutrals against you! Well, maybe not all of them if it's an AI hero, but it can still use many of them! Imagine every insanely powerful spell and every crazy tactic and every crazy unit bonus (in the case of a commander) that you've ever used, being used against you! And the AI can't even use many of those tactics! It must be absolutely insane playing against other skilled player!

mystikmind2000: All except the level 30 Archer hero who has just enough incompetence to hold on to a small risk of being wiped out. I have had mine fall before some of the 'cult' armies and druid/forrest armies. So it is interesting that i find the Archer is the most effective hero against Dragons!

And i have had seen my level 30 warrior hero fall a few times after finding some very unfavorable terrain combining in just the right way with enemy circumstance (when he was not wearing flying equipment!).

mystikmind2000: that's archmages, but I'm talking about a level 30 hero wizard - I have never seen any warlock survive round one.

jamotide: Uhh but thats what I meant, isnt the level 30 wizard called Archmage? A single Warlock is no problem, but 3 or even 2..not to mention you have to focus on them which lets other dangerous units run loose. I guess this only comes up in arena fights.

GOGwiiisfun: Hmm, I've certainly defeated armies with multiple tier four creatures with a scout and although I rarely run into the type of fights that you've described (some of the 'cult' armies and druid/forest armies), I think that it'd be possible to defeat them. Although you might lose a few of your veteran units which are very important for a scout.

Something that is crucial to your scout being able to take on some of the more difficult fights is veteran units. A scout needs a wall of veteran units to be able to take on some of the more difficult fights. The units in question are usually swordsmen combined with veteran healers (or any other type of unit with healing abilities). Swordsmen are good because you can start training them and using them very early (because they are tier 1 units) combined with the fact that they are ridiculously powerful for tier 1 units with the right metals and a decent level.

A swordsman with the right metals and a decent level can defeat almost any tier 1+2 unit on it's own, defeat most tier 3 units with the help of a healer, and even take a few hits from a tier 4 unit which gives the scout time to take it out!