It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
For the record, I'm happy with the amount of wokeness in the game.

Its a bit weird that ALL SIX ORIGIN COMPANIONS ARE BISEXUAL.

Meaning you have one evil woman, one really ugly woman, and four men hitting on your perfectly straight male lead. Yeah, no thanks, I'm good.

I wished there was a switch to disable romances.

But other than that, I noticed nothing so far.

P.s.: Oh correction its just three men, and the tiefling woman is also one option, and she's good. So I guess there is one romance I might actually try out.
Post edited August 18, 2023 by Geromino
avatar
Geromino: For the record, I'm happy with the amount of wokeness in the game.

Its a bit weird that ALL SIX ORIGIN COMPANIONS ARE BISEXUAL.

Meaning you have one evil woman, one really ugly woman, and four men hitting on your perfectly straight male lead. Yeah, no thanks, I'm good.

I wished there was a switch to disable romances.

But other than that, I noticed nothing so far.

P.s.: Oh correction its just three men, and the tiefling woman is also one option, and she's good. So I guess there is one romance I might actually try out.
tiefling woman is hot
The way i get around all this bullshit is by always making a female character. That way if she gets fucked by another female, then thats just fine by me.
Post edited August 19, 2023 by Mushroompukka
avatar
Mushroompukka: The way i get around all this bullshit is by always making a female character. That way if she gets fucked by another female, then thats just fine by me.
No one will diddle you unless you choose that path. Everything is voluntary, which makes all the screeching about things like this so stupid.
avatar
Geromino: For the record, I'm happy with the amount of wokeness in the game.

Its a bit weird that ALL SIX ORIGIN COMPANIONS ARE BISEXUAL.

Meaning you have one evil woman, one really ugly woman, and four men hitting on your perfectly straight male lead. Yeah, no thanks, I'm good.

I wished there was a switch to disable romances.

But other than that, I noticed nothing so far.

P.s.: Oh correction its just three men, and the tiefling woman is also one option, and she's good. So I guess there is one romance I might actually try out.
I will agree with you on one thing. Having EVERY single character be bisexual is the lazy way out when it comes to writing. (Dragon Age 2 did this too.) I do get that it saves on additional writing and avoiding potentially disappointing players with "Why is X not straight/gay/whatever, they're so hot!", but I can't help but feel that this path also winds up REDUCING diversity. (It's kind of like having a TV show where every single cast member is mixed race from like 6 different ethnicities.) As enjoyable/amusing as the BG3 companions are, this aspect of them does wind up feeling like a contrivance.
avatar
Zaxares: I will agree with you on one thing. Having EVERY single character be bisexual is the lazy way out when it comes to writing.
Oh good grief. None of the characters are bi-sexual. All of them have dialog built in so they can play whatever role you choose for them. They are NPCs with complex behavior trees designed to play along with your story. People should not blame a game for playing along with their own fetishes.
I think it is telling that their is a sticky that says reviews were removed due to guideline blah blah. If the game didn't have issues with alphabet type things, then there probably wouldn't be said reviews being removed. It's a political world and nearly all media (which includes gaming) fall squarely on one side of the spectrum. so hush hush
So where did it land at? Is it woke?

I was really looking forward to BG3, cRPGs are my favourite genre and BG1 introduced me to them.
But if it's woke it's as good as non-existant. It's worse than that, actually, because something that doesn't exist doesn't tease you with the possibility.
avatar
m4dhat: So where did it land at? Is it woke?

I was really looking forward to BG3, cRPGs are my favourite genre and BG1 introduced me to them.
But if it's woke it's as good as non-existant. It's worse than that, actually, because something that doesn't exist doesn't tease you with the possibility.
Are you an idiot? Just watch a let's play for 10 minutes. Why listen to the preaching of the culture warriors when you can find out so easily for yourself.
high rated
avatar
m4dhat: So where did it land at? Is it woke?

I was really looking forward to BG3, cRPGs are my favourite genre and BG1 introduced me to them.
But if it's woke it's as good as non-existant. It's worse than that, actually, because something that doesn't exist doesn't tease you with the possibility.
avatar
alcaray: Are you an idiot? Just watch a let's play for 10 minutes. Why listen to the preaching of the culture warriors when you can find out so easily for yourself.
It's pretty easy to answer that question if you realize that anyone using the phrase "woke" as a negative is doing it as a dog whistle for racists. Wikipedia finally has a decent history of the term, since so many people just use it as a catch-all for "everything I don't like". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

The term originated in anti-slavery activist communities in the 1800s, and continued to be used in the black community to this day, as a way to say someone is well-informed, or aware of the social and systemic barriers that continue to exist for black people in the US due to the legacy of slavery, racism, sundown towns, etc.

In essence, "woke" means "aware that the US's history of racism still has impacts today." The people who are saying "I don't want to play a game if it's woke" are either 1. blathering idiots who parrot whatever the right-wing propaganda talking point is (i.e., people too stupid to realize they're supporting racists), or 2. overt racists. Period, full stop.

They're not worth wasting our time, and frankly the community of people who play BG3 is far better off without them.

So to answer the question - yes. the game is woke. It has neopronouns. It has black people in positions of power, making pacts with demons to get more power. It has lots and lots of gay sex. It has subliminal messages to make you woke. If you even watch a video of this game, you may draw the attention of the secret woke society, who will use their mind control satellites to alter your brain and make you woke. For the love of all that you hold dear, do not play this game. Do not view the forums. Do not even look at the box art, lest you absorb some level of wokeness and it make you woke. Stay away! You have been warned!
avatar
alcaray: Are you an idiot? Just watch a let's play for 10 minutes. Why listen to the preaching of the culture warriors when you can find out so easily for yourself.
avatar
mathaetaes: So to answer the question - yes. the game is woke.
Thank you. Your answer was very helpful, I'll refrain from purchasing it then. I did watch the prologue (didn't want to spoil myself much by watching too deep in) and didn't see anything in it being very much woke. But apparently it picks up later?

Thanks for spending time to write such a long reply. Much appreciate it. Cheers.
avatar
mathaetaes: So to answer the question - yes. the game is woke.
avatar
m4dhat: Thank you. Your answer was very helpful, I'll refrain from purchasing it then. I did watch the prologue (didn't want to spoil myself much by watching too deep in) and didn't see anything in it being very much woke. But apparently it picks up later?

Thanks for spending time to write such a long reply. Much appreciate it. Cheers.
Happy to oblige. Now do everyone a favor and go post in forums of games you're actually playing. Leave us alone.
No there is not and don't believe these liars who just want to spread his own narrative that got nothing to do on this game
avatar
trancers: No there is not and don't believe these liars who just want to spread his own narrative that got nothing to do on this game
I think they are just reminding everyone of the word "woke" so it will have more impact when we hear it over and over in tonight's Republican debate in the US.
avatar
mathaetaes: Internal Consistency: You seem to forget that people have been playing tabletop in the D&D world for 40 years, in whatever way they please. Some are playing queer characters who try to f*ck every NPC they encounter regardless of race or gender. Some don't.
If you're only using the world of Baldur's Gate games as your internal consistency metric: Did you go around and poll each NPC as to their sexual orientation? Most of the time it's "go fetch me this magical doohickey" and you go run the errand and that's it; just like in the real world, someone's sexual orientation doesn't play in to casual conversation. For all you know, the NPCs in BG1 could be having massive, bisexual orgies as soon as you left the screen.
avatar
Time4Tea: I'm talking about the Forgotten Realms setting and the Sword Coast region of Faerun specifically, not D&D settings in general. FR has been developed as a fantasy setting to a very high level of detail over the course of ~40 years. Not just in CRPGs and/or D&D supplements, but in dozens of full-length novels. I don't know if you've ever read any of the Forgotten Realms novels, but I read at least half a dozen when I was a teenager - many of them include mature sexual themes, but I don't recall any of them giving the impression that the gender-identity demographics of the setting varied wildly from what would be expected from either modern-day society or medieval Europe.

If you want an RPG that has a very high percentage of LGBT characters, fine: do it Cyberpunk or a different fantasy setting, somewhere else in Faerun even. But trying to retcon a highly popular and familiar setting that has been developed in great detail over several decades is not the right place to do it (imo).

You make a good point though: I played through BG1 and for all I know many of the NPCs I met could have been LGBT. I didn't ask, didn't care, because it wasn't particularly relevant. But then, the way I see it, I'm not the one who seems to be trying to retro-actively insert gender identity politics into an established fantasy setting. Why is it suddenly necessary to explicitly depict the sexuality of significant numbers of NPCs at all? If it's not relevant to the adventure, perhaps it would be better to just leave it undefined, as it has been in previous games, and let players fill in the blanks themselves?

avatar
Zaxares: Ehh, not really. I'd say we humans have reached the point where we're threatening to upset the world's natural balance with our overpopulation. In fact, it's entirely possible that the "increase" in non-hetero individuals is actually a natural correction within our species trying to balance itself out before we breed ourselves into oblivion.
avatar
Time4Tea: I actually sympathize with this POV. We are over-populating the planet with human beings and it's clear we are facing some pretty severe consequences from that. So, the human race probably does need more people/couples who are not going to have babies. Although I'm not one of them myself, I would agree that an increased percentage of LGBT people in the world would probably be a good thing and yes, it might even be linked to some sort of natural balance mechanism (for all we know).

But, that's the real world and I don't think it necessarily justifies suddenly changing an established fantasy setting into something that is not consistent with how it has been depicted previously.
"Why is it suddenly necessary to explicitly depict the sexuality of significant numbers of NPCs at all? If it's not relevant to the adventure, perhaps it would be better to just leave it undefined, as it has been in previous games, and let players fill in the blanks themselves?"

This sentence right here is what I've been thinking since this game was released.
Completely unnecessary.