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Age of Wonders seriesAoW 3 - Not really DRM free?(304 posts)(304 posts)
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Posted April 02, 2014
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coldalarm: A fraction of any site's userbase will be involved in decisions. But the game is DRM free. There is nothing here that stops you playing the game. The '3rd-party account' is in use to stop the multiplayer component being split by platform (which would result in Steam being the "only" platform if you wanted to play MP). Is that not acceptable?

GOG also notify you of this on the game's page, so I don't see what the issue is.
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KnThrak: I like how people don't really seem to realize that a multiplayer game with *any* sort of platform will always have *some* form of centralized service behind it simply to create/negotiate accounts. Well ok, games newer than 2000, that is.

In other words, if it weren't the triumph account, then it'd be Steam.

Only, then we'd not have outside releases at all, or they couldn't play together. And, we'd all pay extra in the EU because Steam doesn't do anything about the price difference.

This is such a first world problem...
FOR LAN and direct TCP/IP? You gotta be kidding me!
Posted April 02, 2014
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EPurpl3: You do not understand, do I have to draw you a scheme? are you stupid or something?
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coldalarm: Well, then.

How do you propose that:
1. Triumph make sure only legitimate copies can play MP?
2. Triumph have a MP system that does not split the community?
Triumph could easily have made this game Steamworks-only, but they didn't.

Also; insulting people is pretty stupid, y'know?
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EPurpl3: I was not insulting peoples, I was just asking because i just wanted to be sure of it, now I am.
See, he wasn't insulting anyone. He was asking if you were stupid, but now he's sure you are. Since you don't agree with him, it can only be because you are stupid, because anyone with a brain agrees with him.

I don't usually get involved with this stuff, but this was too priceless.

Pax
Posted April 02, 2014
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EPurpl3: You do not understand, do I have to draw you a scheme? are you stupid or something?

I was not insulting peoples, I was just asking because i just wanted to be sure of it, now I am.
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Pax11: See, he wasn't insulting anyone. He was asking if you were stupid, but now he's sure you are. Since you don't agree with him, it can only be because you are stupid, because anyone with a brain agrees with him.

I don't usually get involved with this stuff, but this was too priceless.

Pax
That is because she was off the topic, is not about agreeing or disagreeing with each other, the point was that GOG hit the long time GOG fans in the balls with this game, not only that they have added regional prices but also DRM. THAT was the point, not

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coldalarm: How do you propose that:
1. Triumph make sure only legitimate copies can play MP?
2. Triumph have a MP system that does not split the community?
Triumph could easily have made this game Steamworks-only, but they didn't.
So was not about agreeing or disagreeing because we where talking about different things. Why would I care about what Triumph does? BTW, who is Triumph? some kind of EA subdivision?
Post edited April 02, 2014 by EPurpl3
Posted April 02, 2014
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EPurpl3: BTW, who is Triumph? some kind of EA subdivision?
Now you're just being obvious.
Posted April 02, 2014
something tells me that purpl doesn't know what true DRM actually means DRM would stop you playing the game at all till you registered. or worse it'd be starforce everyone who hates DRM probably knows Starforce.
Post edited April 02, 2014 by deadpool223
Posted April 02, 2014
Quote: as "guest" you don't get the DLC you paid for and you can't save settings.

I believe this is a major inconvenience. I got that from a review of the game so I don't know if it's true. If it is, than this is a serious issue that needs to be fixed for this game to be GOG viable.
Posted April 02, 2014
I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that the DLC isn't playable offline... I haven't registered any account/have only used the guest/offline option & the DLC seems to be working just fine for me?
Posted April 02, 2014
I haven't registered anything anywhere and the DLC's are there and working as they should offline.

The settings thing seems to be a bug so i expect it to be corrected in a patch.
Posted April 02, 2014
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Bodyless: Having to create a free account, which is not bound to some cd key, is not more of a form of drm than having to create an account to purchase the game in the first place.
It can be worse. For example If GOG shuts down - you can still play in single player. If that other service shuts down, you won't be able to play LAN multiplayer. That's the result of DRM.

On the other hand If the game doesn't support LAN (or rather it's better to say you can't run your own server since that can work over WAN as well), then it's OK, since you can only play in multiplayer through their servers anyway, and when they'll shutdown multiplayer will be gone. It's not unlike many MMOs out there. Just don't play it if you don't want to. But if LAN is available but you still need their account - that's already nasty. I'm not sure really what's the story here - I didn't buy the game yet.
Post edited April 02, 2014 by shmerl
Posted April 02, 2014
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Bodyless: Having to create a free account, which is not bound to some cd key, is not more of a form of drm than having to create an account to purchase the game in the first place.
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shmerl: It can be worse. For example If GOG shuts down - you can still play in single player. If that other service shuts down, you won't be able to play LAN multiplayer. That's the result of DRM.

On the other hand If the game doesn't support LAN (or rather it's better to say you can't run your own server since that can work over WAN as well), then it's OK, since you can only play in multiplayer through their servers anyway, and whey they'll shutdown multiplayer will be gone. It's not unlike many MMOs out there. Just don't play it if you don't want to. But if LAN is available but you still need their account - that's already nasty. I'm not sure really what's the story here - I didn't buy the game yet.
But that can be changed, and I'm sure if you suggested it they would think about it. From what I can tell Triumph are responding quite well to feedback (though we'd have to wait until patches hit to tell how well), and I'm sure if you suggested it they'd explain either whether they'd do it or why they can't/won't.
Posted April 02, 2014
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coldalarm: But that can be changed, and I'm sure if you suggested it they would think about it. From what I can tell Triumph are responding quite well to feedback (though we'd have to wait until patches hit to tell how well), and I'm sure if you suggested it they'd explain either whether they'd do it or why they can't/won't.
I hope so. I don't have the game yet, but anyone here is free to contact the developers about this.
Posted April 02, 2014
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Illanair: This is all so incredibly moot.

Direct IP connection and LAN is (on the way) already outside of any "DRM" (Account system) scheme so you really cannot complain.
Can you give us reference to where this was stated? That would be awesome. :)
Posted April 02, 2014
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deadpool223: i'd only class this as DRM if it stopped me playing hotseat games with my friends and stuff.. i see no problems with log in to play MP or don't and the only thing cut off is multiplayer. so yeah not DRM.

if this game had DRM then i would have to log into their servers and authenticate the game every single time i want to play a single-player game versus the AI.
There may be sections of the game that are not protected by DRM, such as single player and hotseat. Still that doesn't change the fact that some sections of the game, network multiplayer in particular, is DRM encumbered. Yeah it could be worse, you could have to activate and authenticate or have limited installs, but that doesn't change the fact that you do need to do this for network multiplayer.

Also, I get that for many people they want a 3rd party to broker games, that's fine but give us an option to skip it and still play the game we bought.

Some DRM is not the same as DRM free, and GOG does claim to be DRM free. There is another site where you can buy DRM junk, this commitment is what makes GOG special.
Posted April 02, 2014
Neverwinter Nights and its sequel have CD-Keys. Just sayin'
Posted April 02, 2014
You got any idea that I can play StarCraft 2 on single player without internet or any other form of DRM, just a serial key? but not multiplayer.... so StarCraft 2 has no DRM?!?! damn, I'm so f*cking retard, SC 2 had no DRM all this time and I did not knew.... so why the f*ck have I bought so many games from GOG? the DRM DOES NOT EXIST and never will, if I can play single player... soon you will be happy and call it a non-DRM game if you will be able to just install the game without a serial+account+internet+registration.
Post edited April 02, 2014 by EPurpl3
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