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Ban all regional pricing from GOG. Stick with your principles!in progress

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vladimir1986
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Regional pricing is far from being fair! You can live on a "rich country". but if you are part of the majority of the population you are going to have a 0 hour contract or a below minimum wage! Any game over £5 is unaffordable by me, so I switched to ONLY buy from offers now... Or just download on abandonware pages for what I care.

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Matruchus
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Effect of regional pricing in every digital store besides gog.com for European customers is this - minimum 25% increase in price in regard to the base price in USD for no reason. Not to forget Australia who in several cases has to pay extortion prices for games. Regional pricing won't increase the number of games on gog - that is a fact. We will get more games only if gog changes its quality standards. Several good selling games from other digital stores have been offered to gog and declined by it for no apparent reason - gog stated to developers that they don't think the game will sell good on gog when it sells excellent on other platforms - what an oxymoron. That's the response I got from several developers when aksing why isn't their game released here. So I don't think regional pricing is good since it does not quarantee that a game will come here. And its obvious that it does not work in gog's case after regional pricing implementation since there aren't any more games coming to gog besides indies and few games from smaller publishers.

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tdsamardzhiev
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Please, think before voting for this **** - people in some countries work whole months for $9.99

Jul. 20, 2014
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tfishell
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I say yes for older games; for newer games that tons of people want here, GOG's Fair Price Package is a pretty good compromise, imo.

Jul. 18, 2014
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loki21
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Another Australian weighing in. I hate regional pricing. If you think it is a good thing, you obviously live in one of the countries that gets stuff cheap. Your $5 purchase is $10 to us. Why? "Because we said so."
Regional pricing hurts a lot of people. The ones who are 'helped' by it get that at the expense of those being hurt.
"Oh, but it means more games on GOG" - yes, for those of you getting the lower prices. What do I care if GOG adds 50 new games, but I know that I will be paying 50-100% more for them? Pretty simple: I'll wait for them to go on sale, if I buy them at all. Doesn't help GOG, does it?

Jul. 17, 2014
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deadfloat
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I am from Australia and regional pricing is terrible. Not once have I seen any hard facts stating why we get such a ridiculous markup. There is no legitimate reason for this, publishers do it because people keep paying it.

Jul. 10, 2014
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my_lego
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Regional pricing in general means that Americans pay less and Europeans pay more. What's more it's not 10% more it's usually more then 30% more something that is absolutely outrageous for a digital good.

Is regional pricing is allowed the next step will be to verify that the purchase is made from the correct region. After that the next step is to make sure the game isn't played in the wrong region.

Basically for regional pricing to work you have to start creeping towards a DRM model step by step.

Jul. 4, 2014
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antspants01
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Let me guess, most of the people agreeing with the regional pricing come from fracking America where they ALWAYS get games cheaper? If you're in Australia you would never want this. We get overcharged for everything. If they start doing this with all the games and not just the ones from the major publishers I will quit this site for good.

Jul. 4, 2014
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davidlukewilcox
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One more comment... Regional Pricing allows Gog to put through more transactions, which means that Gog becomes bigger and more games will come to Gog. I think that this is a win-win-win for everyone.

Regional Pricing helps Gog by helping poor people. When Gog is helped, more games come to Gog, and thus the rich gamers have more selection on Gog.

Jul. 3, 2014
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davidlukewilcox
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Regional pricing isn't about you paying more because of where you live, but instead, someone (maybe you) paying less because of where you live.

In the absence of regional pricing, Gog will pursue the maximal profit strategy, which is to price the games as high as people are willing to pay for them. If there's a large market of consumers willing to pay a lot of money, then the smaller markets of poorer consumers just never play any games.

I am personally very in favor of regional pricing, even though I live in the United States, one of the richer regions.

Jul. 3, 2014
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0Grapher
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"we had to add in regional pricing."
"We're doing something like that once again in order to bring you new titles (...)."
"the decision on pricing is always in our partners' hands, (...)."
"we believe that there's no better way to accomplish our overall goals for DRM-Free gaming and GOG.com."
(http://www.gog.com/forum/general/announcement_big_preorders_launch_day_releases_coming/page1)


Here's the thing:
imagine they hadn't added any game with regional pricing.
If that were the case this wish would not exist - but the games wouldn't be available on GoG either.
I believe anyone would agree that this would be a worse situation.

I hope we can trust GoG that they do their best to ban regional pricing but IMHO the notion of banning ALL regional pricing is not reasonable because
there may not be another way to get some games to GoG.

The question it comes down to is: Do you trust GoG to only add regional pricing when there is no other way?

Jul. 2, 2014
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0Grapher
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While for me every game on gog is cheaper than on, say, steam (often less than half the price) I personally couldn't care less if regional pricing was introduced. In my opinion regional pricing may even have many benefits depending on your motivation.

I am more concerned about non-regional pricing limiting the amount of games here.
What I find unacceptable is forcing regional versions of games on people, making games unavailable for some and DRM.

Jul. 2, 2014
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nirvback
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It's quite funny: When I go to work (all traffic from my company to internet passes trough proxy in US) The Witcher 3 is advertised at ~$40 (with discount), and from home (EU) I see it as ~$54...

I think that regional pricing might be applicable to the local shops, but Internet crosses the continental boundaries and should not be applied here!

Jun. 28, 2014
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t0suj4
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Regional pricing is unacceptable as paying more for ice cream only because you're not from their town! Just say NO to regional pricing!

Keep it in single currency, people will use their calculators. Choose no game over regional price!

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Nobody profits from regional pricing except the publisher. Either GoG would lose on this, people will just refuse to pay for that game or choose to leave GoG entirely! Regional pricing is just bad as DRM is. Refusing regional pricing means competitive advantage.

Jun. 27, 2014
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turbond
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I live in New Zealand and I have no problem with regional pricing. I feel GOG has always been focused on offering the best deal, and support, for their customers.

I have brought over 750 games on GOG (most of which have been specials with awesome discounts). i have also brought the Witcher III Wild Hunt pre-order and was impressed at the pricing offered when compared to the Brick and Mortar or online shops here in NZ.

Considering the support I have had with the games I have purchased (fast, efficient and free) and knowing what is involved in running an on-line business I feel GOG are doing a fantastic job, and being able to buy games DRM free, even with regional pricing is real bonus!!!

Jun. 25, 2014
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nadezdha
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OBVIOUSLY the people here defending or not caring about regional pricing have never suffered paying 20-50% more in each game just for a few more or less hops in the Internet nodes while downloading, they are probably from USA and they don't care at all because they have always had and will have the best prices due to dollar being the military-imposed international currency

Well guess what, digital sales allow publishers to save a lot of money in distribution, but it also makes every customer in the world the same, they have to stop those monopolistic practices of $1=1€, AUD being +50%, etc...

This is the main reason I left Steam and the other digital retailers, I think GOG is/was the only with international fair prices, but if you become just another digital scammer, you will start to lose non-USA customers

Jun. 24, 2014
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MasterS.249
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Would have downvoted this if it was possible.

No regional pricing discourages publishers from releasing games in the regions where there are low incomes-high taxes and whatnot.

Would have rather paid more but get a DRM-free game with a bunch of goodies than not get such a game at all, right?

Jun. 21, 2014
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Rostelle
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I dislike any concept of regional pricing or availability. It's a revolting irony of what some claim is a capitalistic free market. However as a died in the wool skinflint I don't buy anything unless it's on special offer. And the special offers from GOG are generally very good.

Doesn't everyone else do much the same ?

Jun. 21, 2014
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kitenkaiba
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I live in Australia. The exchange rate to the us dollar is ‘at time of writing’ $0.94 just under parity by about 4 cents.

The Witcher 3 is $89.99 AUD whereas the US prince is $60 USD

Please just charge me in USD and I’ll weather the exchange rate, I’m cool with paying $63.74AUD that’s fine…

$89.99 is not fine. $89.99 is not ok.

You are basically taking $26.25 AUD out of my pocket for no reason other than you can.


That’s no ok. Anyone whose trying to tell me that its just the global market do not understand how much of a blatant rip off cash grab AU pricing is … oh and in store you can be expecting to pay around $110 AUD for a box choppy… So I guess I should say thanks for not being as evil as the brick and mortar stores but still… Please just … stop with the fake money grab pricing.

Jun. 19, 2014
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Tychoxi
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@borsook create a wish for that!

Jun. 14, 2014
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borsook
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Such a pity there is no vote down, I prefer to have regional pricing and more games to less games and no regional prices.

Jun. 14, 2014
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Zojokkeli
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I wouldn't have any problem with the vouchers, but honestly: you get two 6 dollar vouchers, which you can't even combine. Instead you can pick and choose a game from a rather disappointing list.
If the vouchers could be combined and used on any game in GOG you wish, that would be a much better solution. If you're going to use regional pricing, please do it right. Otherwise, don't do it at all.
I've bought over 50 games on GOG and will continue to be your customer in the future, just please don't f*ck yourself over on stupid little things like these. I really appreciate what you're doing!

Jun. 12, 2014
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Shigeruken
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I'm from NZ, why am I seeing the AU price for the Witcher 3? I've never bought anything with AUD in my life.

Jun. 12, 2014
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Merranvo
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Err, Aussies DO pay more, and it is not conversion... actually, the whole "global economy conversion" is a pitiful globalist claim. I mean, the market is completely different and the government has various protectionist taxes, to say that the currency conversion makes it all the same is rather... uneducated.

Jun. 11, 2014
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omegadrace
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Ooh are we doing that? I can too, look: I wish you bloody europeans would get your thumbs out of your arses already.

Just because you're ok with paying more for the same product, doesn't mean everyone else is too, vouchers on the table or no.

Jun. 8, 2014
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manic221
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*Sorry i mean omegadrace not Rayden.

Jun. 8, 2014
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manic221
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Rayden you get the regional difference in vouchers for GOG... It says so on the page. In this case i have no problem with the regional difference in pricing because they're giving us the difference in vouchers.

On a side note i wish you bloody Australians would stop saying OMG we pay more money then everyone else wah wah wah!

Do you Australians even understand the concept of coversion? FYI you pay exactly the same as i do in the UK. So stop saying you get worse off. Fact is if you live anywhere but America we all get ripped off because we all have higher taxes then America and in a lot of cases sales tax isn't even included till you hit purchase.

Jun. 8, 2014
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omegadrace
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So because I'm an australian and not an american, I'm supposed to pay $20+ more to pre-order The Witcher 3?

Disgusting.

Jun. 7, 2014
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rayden54
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@viranimus

DRM free or no, games on GOG are still worth nothing. Not unless you can resell them.

It's still a great start, but I want my first sale back. (I also want my physical discs back--without DRM--but that's just me.)

Jun. 6, 2014
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Lachned
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I'm a bit disappointed that this topic comes up again, with Witcher 3 of all games.

Jun. 6, 2014
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leavingbob
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The Witcher 3 pre-order --> 49.79€ = 68.01 $ (Today rate) !!!

With a US proxy, i payed : 53.99$ for the game --__--

EU customers pay 14$ (10€) more...!

Seriously... I believe in you and want to support you. But please, do what you say, use flat and fair prices !

Regards,
Loic

Jun. 5, 2014
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viranimus
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For everyone commenting "Do this and I go back to steam" you need to remember two crucial things.

1: GoG is not the one at fault here. It is the developers/publishers who will not work with what is reasonable because they have become accustomed to effectively what was always an error. Credit where credit is due, Blame where it belongs.

2: Turning "back to steam" is STILL shooting yourself and everyone else in the foot because

A: GoG version will always be "worth" more than ANYTHING from Steam due to the vastly more important principal of DRM free and any steam version of a game BETTER be cheaper than a GOG version because of having by default less value.

B: Giving into steam only serves to further their monopolistic practices and make them even stronger and makes it that much harder for alternatives that try to correct those unacceptable practices to even exist.

To do so helps transform Steam and all their consumer attacking practices into a natural monopoly and if that happens that consumer attacking behavior will not only never get corrected but in fact escalate and become far worse.

So even if Steams prices beat GOGs, they never will because GoGs prices reflect persistent superior value, and moreover the long term costs are not measured in currency but in sacrifices of freedom and control all consumers have to make and the magnitude of customer mistreatment all consumers end up bearing.

When you stop looking at the cost per transaction and look at the longview you understand that there is no amount of Savings steam can offer that can ever be a better value than your freedom and control as a consumer.

Yes, stick with principles... but stick with principles that make sense instead of a principle rooted in redistributing vested interest in greed from one location to another.

May. 25, 2014
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JefFreeman
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um, found this: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/17/gog-abandons-regional-pricing-plans

May. 16, 2014
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thevoicessaidso
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if gog goes regional i go steam exclusive, bar exchange rates that will make slightly different prices in different areas and times (read pennies) why should i pay a higher price than someone in say the us or the euro zone just because im in a different contry and visa versa. in an age of digital products, its not like ur having to ship stuff places and pay different rates of import. so just quit it already, steam do it and it pisses me off there too

May. 13, 2014
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essi2
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If GOG starts charging me in EUR or NOK(Based on the EUR price) I'm going back to Steam thank you very much.

May. 9, 2014
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Qoiorav
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I have to agree with RaiFighter below. It seems unattractive, and it's probably abused somewhat by publishers (looking at the USD/EUR prices), but adjusting the price to local purchasing power is definitely the right way to go. Buying in USD from another country means 1. you're subject to fluctuating exchange rates and 2. the price is aimed at an economy totally different from yours. There should be a relative purchasing power index somewhere, I say, adjust the prices accordingly and use as many currencies as possible. Not pretty, but definitely fairer.

May. 2, 2014
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RaiFighter
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I'm okay with regional pricing. With exchange rates being the fickle things they are, two different people in two different countries may have to pay vastly different percentages of their own personal income, even though they both did *technically* pay the same price.

If it's being done for consumer-centric reasons (and it's GOG, so you know it is!), then it's to ensure that each person gets the same personal value out of each game, regardless of their currency.

Apr. 30, 2014
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Kryten42
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Hi all. just my 2cents... ;)

i don't have a problem with regional pricing here. GOG have saved me a lot of money, and I have about 35 games now (some were free, but that just adds to the value). Sometimes, I lost out to the exchange rate, but sometimes I win. Even if GOG just sold everything in USD, I'd still be at the mercy of the exchange rate here (Australia). But the difference is usually less than $1, so it's no big deal compared to what I'm saving, and no DRM!! I really hate DRM for many reasons!

So no, I have no problem with it, especially if it means that GOG can continue to deliver the great games I love and offer the great service they do! :)

Apr. 21, 2014
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Decatonkeil
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Regional pricing is just unatractive. Sales won't be as good with it, when people compare the price they're paying to the one others are paying. GOG's effort in paying back the difference through gift codes deserves some praise, but still feels somewhat rigid. I don't know if I can spend a single gift code in 2 or 3 games that add up to that value or if I have to sav it up. I don't know if I can use them for sales, etc. That's my problem I suppose, but still, from a strategy perspective you can see how it can flop. Also, what about people who buy a game overpriced in Europe, get the gift codes but never, ever, or in a long time, find a game that they have a real interest in? It would feel like forcing a customer to buy games they're not interested in or juts pay for it and don't get it.

Apr. 1, 2014
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DalekMan
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While I may not be in favor of regional pricing, I think it's more important to promote DRM-Freedom. Publishers will be publishers, and, being publishers, a good number of them will do stupid stuff. I think we need to take the regional pricing thing up with the games' publishers, not take it out on GOG- it's hard enough to get more companies on board with DRM-Freedom as it is.

Yes, it's dumb to charge different prices in different places for a product that's transmitted via the internet and therefore doesn't have a shipping cost involved. (Unless taxation issues are involved. Then it's still dumb, but it's a government's fault, not the seller's or the publisher's.)

But prices being different is a one-time annoyance that happens at the time of purchase, and then once the purchase is made, never comes up again- an annoyance that is nothing compared to DRM schemes where the seller potentially can, on a whim, revoke the buyer's right to play the game. Or schemes that won't let you play a single-player game if either your internet connection or theirs isn't working. (Recently had this happen with my Ouya version of Final Fantasy III!) Or schemes that put arbitrary limitations on the number of times you can move your game between computers, or worse, prevent you from doing any moving altogether!

I think it's important to get the publishers to respect the rights of those who buy their games first. Then we can worry about getting them to accept common sense on the pricing.

Mar. 28, 2014
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anomaly
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Hawat, I was referring to the Letter from the MD, where they stated,
"So let's talk about the pricing for classics that we're shooting for. For $5.99 classics, we would like to make the games 3.49 GBP, 4.49 EUR, 199 RUB, and $6.49 AUD. For $9.99 classics, our targets are 5.99 GBP, 7.49 EUR, 349 RUB, and $10.99 AUD."

Therefore my use of 7.49 Euro was correct in my calculations.

ssokolow, it is not an ongoing expense in the sense that once you have purchased the game then you need pay no more for that game. Of course we continue to buy games, but it's not under a subscription model.

What I was pointing out was that in Switzerland we will be negatively affected by the exchange rate, but at a level that is hardly worth noticing or raising a stink about. If it was a monthly fee, then the issue would be different. But it isn't, so it's not.

Mar. 15, 2014
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Zapomniany
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Not a bad idea - let them set the prices in single currency like the Congolese franc everyone will be happy.

Mar. 14, 2014
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vlahka
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And to be completely honest, DRM free while being a really cool thing isnt the biggest draw for me in shopping here, otherwise I'd refuse to buy games from steam and all the other places. I'd rather cheaper prices and drm then the opposite. But thats me.

Mar. 14, 2014
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vlahka
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I think most of you are not understanding why the people affected by regional pricing are annoyed. For one, if they need to charge more to be able to afford to be keep doing whatever, then raise the prices in every country, not just everywhere and not america. By this logic they are losing money in the american market. Secondly, these are old games that no one else is going to sell, that have been on sale for ages. Raising the old games prices is beyond annoying. Feel free to raise new games, I have no issue. Its the old games that really bug me.

Mar. 14, 2014
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ssokolow
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@realchris99: For some games, the publishers are legally required to charge a certain price by their distribution agreements with other sellers.

This is GOG's way of side-stepping that. You get the option to buy games that GOG can't get more cheaply and GOG does the closest thing they can to giving you your money back by exploiting the store credit loophole in the contract.

Mar. 12, 2014
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realchris99
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""For now it will be with $5.99 and $9.99 game codes. In a couple of months, once we have such functionality implemented, we will give you store credit instead, which then you will be able to use towards any purchase and cover the price of it in full or partially. Effectively gamers from all around the world will be able to benefit from the US prices""

But this is just nearly the same in another package. I get für my bigger price a shopping code? this is not the solution for me.

Mar. 12, 2014
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IAmSinistar
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Sweet move, Judas. :)

Mar. 12, 2014
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JudasIscariotGOG
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Errrm, I'll just TENTATIVELY put this one....

in progress :D

Mar. 12, 2014
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ktchong
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I think regional pricing is determined by the publishers, not GOG. If GOG said no to regional pricing when the publishers demanded it, the publishers could just walk - and everyone would lose the game. Regional pricing does not affect me in America, so honestly I would rather have a game here on GOG than to lose it over some dispute over regional pricing.

Mar. 12, 2014
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vampiro13
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Thank you GOG and thank you GOG community for constructively criticizing the policy change, protesting and voting with your wallets. It was worth it.

Best PC-news of the year, I am very, very happy!

Mar. 11, 2014
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