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Add fan made patches to extras
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KingDumpalot Loads of games hosted on GOG.COM have fan made patches that add features, unlock extra content, etc. (I'm thinking widescreen/3dfx hacks as well as things like the freespace source code project) I think GOG should include these with their games, or at least link to them officially.
Akylen Seems like a wasted opportunity for GOG to sell more games. Some of these mods greatly outshine the original game. Their loss
DuplexEagle Yes, please do that. It was so annoying I had to dig around in forums to get Worms 2 to work on Windows 10
minigogger Or at least make a sticky forum thread called MODS for every game, where users could post the links to the third party stuff, so there would be no need for exhausting lurking around on dead wiki pages and random abandoned places on the internet.
fridgeband Yea! Cool
LinguaOccultus +1
SpellSword As long as they are optional installs. Could be interesting.
darknase If they are old and proven "extensions" to the game. As well as one (GOG) might just servers as a "wayback-machine" for this software.
That all said, the feature to at least have text file with the original URL, or copyable URL to each, might be a good feature.
Meetry Steam re-released KOTORII with the TSLRCM mod, but I'm really not sure I'd feel confortable letting arbitrary code on my system.
ZMacZ Hmm..I erad some of the other comments, and yes..purely OPTIONAL, not fixed into the originals..well....I gotta sit on this..
ZMacZ Maybe some widespread make-overs and/or mods, scanned for virusfree, yeah..sounds ok..sometimes I see the stuff they made for Skyrim and the like..but then again, it may be a lot of work...hey..maybe make a deal and sell as (optional) DLC ?..
That would offset the cost of all the work involved..and it would also open up a brand new avenue of business, as well as jobs for seasoned Modders..
Maybe a whole new way of getting new content for GOG...
You gotta admit..it sounds like a big fat "new and improved" no ?
utaQcee5 Legality around everything sucks. Anything GOG takes an official position on, it may have to deal with down the road. If there's malware, a bug, bad code, exploits, copyright claims, offensive content, future breaking code with official updates etc. in the patch/fix then GOG becomes potentially liable. What I think would be awesome is some cloud storage per game. Maybe every game comes with 200 mb of cloud storage where you can add anything you want so it's saved online with your game. Be it links to content, saves, mods, zips, tars, your own patches, notes etc. so next time you update or install a game of yours, all your stuff is there. No need to mess with broken links or confusion over what you did 'last time'. Not as convenient for people that want to hunt, but super convenient for me and I'm sure others that want to look up this information ONCE and have it with their games.
FlamingFirewire With fan patches already baked into games like Deus Ex/System Shock 2/VAMPIRE: THE MASQUERADE - BLOODLINES, I think it would make more sense to offer some of these patches as recommended extras, rather than baked into the games if the third party patches include content that was not included in the game originally.
lothar69 Yeah, this is a slippery slope. Be nice in a perfect world but I think it would cause issues. I think the middle ground would be a way for the community to request links to mods be stickied in the games forum. Though that's probably already possible? Honestly don't know. Just stick the usual warning that you're leaving the site and it's not endorsed warning when the link is clicked.
ZMacZ nty...if we want mods we'll get them anyway..
But let's keep the door closed on virusware pretending to be 'fan patch'..
if ppl wanna mod stuff, then go the sites that host them..
astroclay It would certainly make things easier if popular fan made patches and mods were located in one central area of the GOG website and accessible through the Galaxy client. Of course, these patches should always be optional, vetted by the community, and downloaded in a similar fashion to the extra goodies GOG provides.
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DanyKing It must be optional. Too many of those patches etc have noticable bugs and/or are low quality. Witcher's Adventures in the first Witcher Enhanced Edition are the best example.
Tarmo-GOG Absolute YES - - - BUT there should be a certain level of quality control when it comes to fan made patches. There could be an option in each profile to "Disable Custom Patches" or something like that - if someone doesn't want to even see this kind of stuff and wants to fully vanilla.
What I would like too see are custom made resolution patches. Most of the old games don't support widescreen support at all - and especially in strategy games this is kind of a buzz-kill because obviously you are going to see as much of the screen as possible. And I REPEAT - these patches can be totally separate from the original installation packages. There could simply be a button for downloading "Custom Patches" if people want to use them...
shaddim duplicate of www.gog.com/wishlist/site/add_fan_made_patches_to_extras
shaddim somehow a duplicate of www.gog.com/wishlist/site/add_fan_made_patches_to_extras
shaddim @Sargon: This is not about pre-patching but including essential and accepted patches into "extras". The GOG pre-patching policy is even for official patches sometimes a problem, for instance with Dungeon Keeper II, the latest patch 1.7 breaks the AI. (While on the other hand essential community-made map fixes for creature spawing are missing.)
@Staredown: most community developers would be happy to be considered for inclusion if asked kindly by GOG (what GOG is doing, as far is I'm aware)
-Mithridates- Absolutely NO. The games should (as much as possible) be in their original state. Fan made "patches" can be very useful but sometimes they break functionality or include original content. They should always be optional and belongs in the community section, not with the official files. The community section however, can be made more addon\mod friendly with the possibility for viewing patches\mods\maps\etc and voting for them
Also, not everyone want a higher resolution for all games. Many of the old 2D games are less immersive for me when the old sprites and backgrounds become really tiny, like they often do when given a much higher resolution than the intended one. This is especially true for small monitors with high resolution like laptops.
Staredown Either A) GoG is hosting to the patch/mod which is theft if they don't have the permission of the actual modders, which can be downright impossible to find or contact in the case of many games or B) they are linking to the patch/mod, which means they are giving their seal of approval to something they can neither fully control nor fully vet so if the hosting server gets virused or starts slipping shitware on machines with the downloads or decides 'Hey, you know what? I'm going to make you get an account so I can sell your personal information before I'm going to let you download anything' there's nothing GoG can do.
So no, I don't see this happening.
zerothis I wouldn't expect GOG to provide support for this. It is like taking replacing your GM engine with a Ford engine then expecting GM to honor the engine warranty they sold you. What they could do is provide a system where by the fan patch can be applied on a duplicate installation and a disclaimer "THIS PATCHED GAME is provided for you convenience but NOT SUPPORTED by GOG" shown when the duplicate is played.
OWReaper This would be especially good for Gothic 3 and its expansion. They are so much more fun after you apply the community patch.
patryn40 I wish GOG would include the fixed maps for Dungeon Keeper 2 with the game, but allowing easy access to fan created fixes would also address this issue.
suitov I agree this should be considered. Perhaps on a case-by-case basis where these patches fix genuine problems, and addressed in order of criticality.
Two examples of very different importance: Dungeon Keeper 2 map fixes, which solve a serious issue and should definitely be included with the base game, and The Witcher 1 han/berbercane fix, which makes part of the game work as intended but is not critical, so could be added as some kind of 'recommended patches' link.
thepinoz if not included in the extras at least create a sort of REPOSITORY for external content
shaddim duplicate of www.gog.com/wishlist/site/add_fan_made_patches_to_extras
shaddim @DRM_free_fan: for remakes you are right, the publishers are very sensitve on IP protection, therefore many fan-made remakes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fangame ) received cease & desist letters.
But patches in contrast hardly form a complete work on their own, they don't have a recognizable character in the external reception which could be in conflict with an existing IP. I stand the point, (delta) patches are save.
DRM_free_fan @ shaddim: Nice thought. Unfortunately not all game publishers are happy about mods for their games. Remakes are even more unpopular.
RetroCodger426 I haven't tried a great deal of modding. One of the reasons for this is because I'm a complete coward when it comes to clicking links. I never know which sites are decent and legit.
I think it would be nice if GOG listed some links to 'officially GOG-approved' safe and reliable (and quality) sites, so as to avoid 'Billy Smith's Honest and Virus-Free Mods.com'.
Tevosion.480 Maybe you don't know it, most of the abandonware is still illegal.
shaddim if GOG want to become the hub for a game abandowre community they also should do this: www.gog.com/wishlist/site/obtain_source_code_for_games_where_possible
shaddim somehow duplicate of: www.gog.com/wishlist/site/add_fan_made_patches_to_extras
shaddim @hucklebarry: if you distribute your unofficial patch as a diff patch which includes nothing from the original game no one can blame the author or gog. Such patches can be always kosher and 100% law save created.
##@@##@@ When a fan author releases content on an existing work... i.e. a mod or patch to existing game... they do not own the rights to that work. The original game rights owner owns all derivative works on IP (especially, but not limited to) mods using a released tool set. This isn't a slam on mod authors, I think most understand this when they release their mods. GOG may choose to seek permission to be kosher, but it isn't required as the author essentially gave permission by releasing a work based on IP they didn't own to begin with. That said, I like the idea of making "great" mods more accessible. Seeing some of the mods on game pages might encourage more sales. (compare thief mods to in game screens... fan mods tend to look better and provide more fun as they have more time/resources to put extra effort in). I actually bought Doom3 just for the Dark Mod ability ;)
DRM_free_fan BTW if you are after a site for game mods, check out: www.moddb.com
DRM_free_fan @ shaddim You are right. I have never heard of malicious code in a fan patch either. Still the possibility exists and most corporations usually err on the excess side of caution to avoid possible litigation. Which is why I suggested GOG have a box for users to contribute links to patches/mods. That way us gamers can share the links with each other and GOG could not be held responsible for any of the content linked to.
shaddim @DRM_free_fan: exactly that is one of the points behind this wish. GOG should check and verify the patches and add them only to the "authorized" stuff if they fullfill several qualities. Beside that, your fear of malicious code in a fan-made patch is exaggerated. Fan patches are extremly well checked by the communities, therefore I never ever heard about a malicious patch.
DRM_free_fan Nice idea but too dangerous. By adding mods as extras and/or linking to them, GOG could be held partly responsible if any of these contained malware or unsuitable content. I have an alternative suggestion - what if GOG set up a space for users to add links to fan made patches along with a disclaimer that GOG is not responsible for any content linked to?
pseudonarne pick some of the more popular ones and link to where to get more mods. keep it in extras not included in installer.
Gizmojunk If you [GoG] include some of these... Please keep it in the extras, and not folded into the installer; some might not want the fan patches. Personally I will not use the wide screen patch for Fallout ~for example. It's crude and screws up the UI. The Hi-res patch just makes everything smaller [not technically, but it's the practical upshot of using it].
DecoyAUT Just found www.gog.com/wishlist/site/add_fan_made_patches_to_extras - I want the same thing
PaladinWay I can see the liability for including downloads for them, but maybe a forum modification could work. Right now if I want to see about unofficial patches, some games have sticky threads in the forum, others I have to go through everything and poke around. If forum had a checkbox for "fan patch I use" for posts and an ability was added to browse the just the fan patch posts (with link back to full threads) with the number of people who said they use it, that'd be a way for GoG to facilitate finding the information without explicitly endorsing any patches. Add a public policy/procedure on what's done on reports that a patch is malicious and a disclaimer on the patch post aggregation pages and I'd think that would cover liability issues while giving users a good resource.
shaddim @vsr: My experience speaks against your interpretation. Many authors of reputable well knwon patches actively promoting their patches here on GOG and sometimes are discouraged that their work is not ALREADY taken as last patch version for game. Also, as these authors acting themselves in some grey domain they can't be to picky about protecting their own work. Often it is a collaborative work, so already belonging to community and most often therefore open source. From my experience, the stuff is typically open and freely available, so it could and should happen.
vsr Too much stuff to do for GOG (licensing). Besides, too much hassle with *possible* hidden malware in those patches (something you can't just check with antivirus) - GOG will be sued if something bad will happen. Not every author of those patches will give source code to GOG, and i doubt GOG has possibility to audit that code. So, yeah, it never will happen.
shaddim @BlackThorny: stickies to general fan-made stuff (mods) are nice, but this should go one step further: GOG should authorize community accepted unofficial patches too by adding it to the "offical" stuff. There are many games which have unofficial/community patches which have achived complete community acceptance and can be considered "official". Gog should accept them too.
BlackThorny As some said I doubt it many of the fan related material creators would mind GOG hosting it, But this might be against the license obtained from the original distributers, or may just not in the license alltogether. To get around that here is a simple solution: for every game make a Sticky in it's forum containing details to every Fan related content available during the time the game is added. Let the comunity populate those threads with links to download and opinions, and once some conent is approved by all parties GOG may add it to the bonus part hosted on the site. Until that point, I doubt holding a link there to access the sticky with interfer with any regulations.
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