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Add "Downvote" to Wishlists (and show them as seperate tallies)
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SirCabbage Its all well and good for users to have the ability to up-vote an idea... but why not also have a tally for down-voting. 500 people may up-vote something, but what if 1200 people would have down-voted if the option was there? Don't be like facebook, downvotes are useful. Also, Don't make it some silly single number that goes up and down based on who up-votes and down-votes, this isn't Digg either. two separate tally s so we can truly know how people are thinking
fridgeband People want this to happen because "democracy" but that's a really common reason people give when they want something but don't want to talk about "why" really. In the history of the internet both up and down voting have been abused, but downvoting has been the most abused "vote-type" feature of all.
fridgeband 100% guaranteed downvoting wishlists will be SEVERELY abused by fake accounters and bots. Think about how horrible it would be if some evil group of people who didn't like GOG downvoted a very wanted wishlist idea and prevented it from ever happening, thus ruining gog by preventing it from improving? Downvoting wishes WILL be abused by corrupt individuals.
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BurningSheep To be honest, I'd prefer for them to add options to make it easier for people to find out about obscure and forgotten games. Giving people a chance to fight about games everybody already knows about, doesn't seem like a particularly good addition. This would most likely just give games more exposure that don't even need it.
Merranvo Downvoting is critical part of a democracy. You can disagree all you want in the comments, but your voice is largely unheard over the positivity of upvotes. One of the most annoying parts of imdb forums was that the community was obsessed with only keeping the people who really liked the movie on the forums, as if negative opinions are somehow worth less than positive opinions.
We need to learn to respect everyone's opinion and let their voice be heard.
##@@##@@ Also: Paradox!
I would use this new feature to downvote this wish. If it gets more downvotes than votes, then what? ;)
##@@##@@ I can see why GOG wouldn't implement a feature like this:
1) Negativity: It would be too easy to downvote a complex wish when someone only read the title.
2) Limited Imagination: GOG employs professional designers. Suggestions made by users could still be 'streamlined' to work a hell of a lot better.
3) Optional Features: Voting against something that's 'optional' would make no sense. (A hairdresser can shave your head when you ask them to, but there's no reason to get a 'law' against it, just because you dislike that haircut. Sigourney Weaver still looked good in Alien 3.)
4) Hate speech: Some users might downvote/'hatevote' ideas from users they dislike. There are currently 5(?) wishes for GOG to remove 'user reputation' from the forums. This should be a popularity contest for 'ideas' - not for people.
5) Comments: We can already point out problems with certain ideas in the comment section.
6) Limited Use: The feature would only be applicable for site & Galaxy features, since users can't 'anti-buy' a product.
7) Relevance: In the end, a wish can have 9,000 votes, but still not get fulfilled by GOG. A few months back someone asked in the comment section how many votes it would take in order for the game to come to GOG... We can only make 'suggestions'. GOG is a store - not a democratic country. If an idea has only 12 votes it's already unpopular. If it has 600 votes but 75 active nay-sayers, the people at GOG can probably draw their own conclusions.
And these are just the reasons I can give from the top of my head.
Sierra Makes only limited sense and the potential of misuse overcomes quickly the small benefit. But what it need, is that you may withdraw your vote once you gave it.
utaQcee5 Down-voting features makes a lot of sense. Some requests are just bad ideas, dark-patterns or really go against GOG's principles. Some people want bad ideas to just 'disappear' which I think is a terrible idea for transparency's sake at least. The others that are saying it would be 'overly negative', well that just proves that you have dissenting opinions that you would like express here. If we don't want negative opinions, maybe GOG should comb the comment section and remove negative comments... nope, bad idea. A guise of positive support does not help the idea, GOG or the community.
sniklefritz5 Gog usually makes features on their site optional anyway so I feel having this only supports negativity
jorlin How naïve, not downvoting something out of spite...I hate to burst your bubble, but this happens almost everywhere on the net. In fact, if I could, I would downvote your requested feature, as such a button will incite flame wars. Just comment on the feature (without voting of course) and tell you why you think it would be a bad idea.
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Pierzasty I want to vote against voting against, but there's no option to vote against :|
ecamber Yes. Only for site features, not for games.
Enebias "Good idea for site features, no so much for the game wishlist."
+3
This should really be implemented! A few requests cross the limits of decency!
joppo "Good idea for site features, no so much for the game wishlist."
+2
kylesch87 This is an absolute necessity for the site features section. Doubly so for any ideas that would change the present functionality of the site.
##@@##@@ If this is not possible due to some never-to-be-disclosed -reason by the www.usmust.com team, I would at least wish to be able to remove votes I have already done.
Mr.Frost "Good idea for site features, no so much for the game wishlist."
+1
JLFusion I agree about being able to vote no. How many suggested console game game are obviously impossible for GOG to fulfil because the game never actually exist on pc? That kind of suggestion I would gladly put a no on it.
BloodGod65 Good idea for site features, no so much for the game wishlist.
ScaldedByDRM I definitely understand and share the concern about folks using a feature like this with malice because they have a grudge against another user or an idea but I don't that should be enough to reject this idea outright. Today is the first time I browsed through the wish lists here and I noted allot of wishes here I think that if actually implemented (there are some right on this thread) would have a negative impact on GOGs and/or the community. If you read the comments for some you can find well reasoned and well intentioned arguments why a certain idea should not be implemented. I think its not a bad idea to be able to voice those concerns numerically too. An extreme but illustrative example of a good item that people might want to vote down would be "Implement a DRM system like Steamworks to protect the rights publishers."
To be clear, I don't think the vote count should be displayed as the sum of up and down votes. Rather I think everyone should see both raw totals and this would give a good overview of where opinion is and how divided. In the end this probably isn't really that an important feature though since GOG seems to be staffed pretty smart people who are going to recognized disastrous ideas.
Cobaltmotari I'm going to say no. Either you want a feature, or you won't care. If anything, I would rather have the option to hide requests that you don't want, but that doesn't take into account the fact that one's opinion can change. I'm not voting for this.
pseudonarne yes. we need this. positives only tell half the story. You could get something 1000 people loved and it'd be good but you could get something 1000 people loved and voted for and 2000 people hated and it'd look the same in this system.
taltamir The irony is that anyone who opposes this feature is showing why such a feature is needed. There are some site feature requests which I think will make the site worse that have a lot of votes for... they might get implemented and it is quite possible that 90% of people are against it. Any "GOG isn't just counting votes they also read comments" argument is equally self countering as comments do not disappear and gog is just capable of implementing a feature that has more negative then positive votes if they think it is a good idea
Cobaltmotari People are either going to want the feature or won't care at all. Downvoting a wish was a bad idea for when Steam Greenlight first launched, so why should it be any better for GoG? This wish has BAD IDEA written all over it.
Cobaltmotari It's not as complex as that - for pretty much all of the time, you're either going to want a game/feature, or not care at all. Since GoG decides what to implement based on how many votes they DO have, including a negative vote option is a no-no for this sort of decisiveness.
Dragoon001 Downvote is for trolls, which became quite a problem since bridges have gotten internet connections. If you like something vote for it. If not be ignorant.
Occulto This request is really a duplicate of www.gog.com/en/wishlist/site/add_downvote_to_wishlists_and_show_them_as_seperate_tallies
Occulto I sooo would love to downvote this wish.
npalsensei Why? No one forces anyone to vote. If more people want something, it's obvious MORE people want something. Seeing that EVERYONE can add a wish, popular wishes from upopular wishes can be easily separated based only on the number of votes. Downvoting will add nothing on the GOG wishlist system other than the potential for trolling and retarded arguments.
F4LL0UT @Tevosion Well, he's talking about site features, not games. I think in this context it makes total sense. It's not about keeping others from having fun just because you're jerk or something, it's about helping GOG to avoid bad decisions. Many features I don't vote for are features I really don't want to be here. That a wish got like a thousand votes doesn't mean that there's not even more people who seriously oppose it. Sure, you can post comments that will explain why an idea is bad but that doesn't give GOG any idea how many people really dislike an idea as most people don't post comments here. So yeah, I consider this a very good idea for site features. But I agree, this shouldn't be possible with games.
jorlin When I see a bad idea (change request), not an added ferature that can be switched on/ offf at leisure, . I don't vote for it, but I do leave a comment trying to make a founded statement, why the change proposed would be a bad idea. Sometimes I suggest a change to the original proposition to show that I do agree partially, but only under set conditions. An example is my comment in the proposition to add Steam codes changed to it would be beneficial for GoG to takeover/ merge with Desura instead, so that both GoG (cross-platform) and Desura (better website) would benefit.
ConayR Please don't add neg voting. Features and games are something once added does not have to be used/purchased. Since each and every thing is an extra, there's no point in saying "no, I don't want these people to have this game/feature!". If something is controversial or even detrimental to the community, it should be discussed, not downvoted. Like this feature. ;)
Tevosion.480 I reject this idea because this will allow people to provoke everyone to vote for or against a game.
trinest I agree, for site features. Not for games.
adambiser No down vote for games, but down voting for site features would be good.
irishviking I support this idea.
Dizzard.495 I agree that there should not be down voting for games. At the end of the day what should really matter is who wants it. As for the game features I suppose but really I'm against down voting. It just leads to petty wars.
MrBoat Maybe this would be a good idea ONLY in site features wishes, in requested games this wish could only carry a lot of problems with some fanboys or general sad people. For example: "Grim Fandango" 8000 Users support this wish, 5000 (trolls, Sierra, Ron Gilbert, shooter fanboys, whatever) users don't support it. If I were GOG, why should I care for that 5000 users?, they must not buy the game if they don't want to. On requested features it's something to care, maybe a lot of people want to change something an another lot of people don't want to.
omega64 just don't vote
RafaelLVX Hah! Vote wars!
Harmonica A lot of people don't like this idea because it might be open to abuse (as if upvoting isn't already?) - the difference is that GoG is and has always been, for whatever reason, a really friendly site with nice users. Sure there are places on the web where downvoting on things is used to simply mainstream the opinions and hide dissenters, but that wouldn't happen on GoG. Just read these comments threads. Great discussion.
Starmaker @bombardier: I'm thinking about the "should new games be on GOG" discussion: New games should be on a separate site. You would sell new games instead of old games, don't. New games are crap in general, I would never play one. New games would lower quality standards because instead of GOG approaching rightsholders for potential bestsellers, people would try to get in just about anything. New games would create inflationary pressure. These are separate concerns - the inflation party wouldn't necessarily agree with the quality party and vice versa, but downvotes would create the illusion of a monolithic front. Finally, people would downvote things they just wouldn't use without any actual objections (except maybe the catch-all concern of "a waste of man-hours"). SUGGESTION: Put the downvote button on the entry page, not on the list.
bln I would like to be able to downvote ONLY this wish, please.
bombardier @Tevosion: You seem to be really young so I feel obligated to tell you some throuth about life. It will make the rest of your life much easier. There are such things as bad ideas. Not everybody is special and not everybody's idea should be implemented. If people don't like your idea, in most of the cases, it is not because they are some kind of "elite group that is out to get you". It is mostly because your idea is not that good to begin with. Do you really think that there is a bunch of "elite GOGers" that have your name on some black list and will spend their precious time going through entire GOG community just to downvote any idea you gave no matter if it is good or bad?
bombardier @MattyFTM: On Facebook you only have upvotes because Facebook is just a big advertising company, and when you make money by publishing advetisements you don't want people to downvote the commercials. How would it look for Facebook if some crappy company would give Facebook money for advertising and ends up in negative votes? If you look at the advertisment with -100 votes you think "This doesn't look good, I better stay clear of this product". But if you see advertisement with +5 score you think "This might actually be ok. I might try this.". You can achieve this by just disabling downvotes.
bombardier @Starmaker: They are not robots but instead of looking if some wish has 50 up votes and 200 down votes they have to read all the comments. And comments would be accurate representation of opinion only if all those 200 people decided to comment on the wish. I have seen a lot of stupid wishes with 300+ votes and bunch of negative comments. I am agianst these wishes but I didn't comment because I think that there is enough of negative comments that this wish will not be implemented. But what if it gets implemented? They have like 300 upvotes and 20 negative comments that I agree with. When you read throug them it looks like people support the wish. When my country was applying for EU mebership we had a referendum wher you could choose 'Yes' or 'No'. We didn't put there only 'Yes' and told the 'No' people to just stay home that day.
Starmaker >In my experience, when you give people the option to downvote things, they'll downvote it for a million dumb reasons. This. GOG staff are not aggregator robots, they can look at the comments.
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