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Victor VranGOG is no longer DRM free?(43 posts)(43 posts)
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Posted July 30, 2015
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Santar: Yes there are updates coming to victor Vran, but the developers have never said anything about making treasure scrolls available offline in the future.

A lot of gog users seem to be confused when the developers said that the Gift of Gear item would be available offline, that is just the unlimited health potion.
The treasure scrolls are something completely different.
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throgh: So then: Would you mind clarifying that point of missing information? I mean if this is another completely different aspect then what did they told in the Q&A? I thought this is just a multiplayer aspect. I can't test this because of lacking version for Linux. :-(

But this is one game at all so GOG would not lack of DRM-free tomorrow. It is correct: This game should have never released here in this state. But then we should complain more about these problems and showing off what DRM-free should meant to be. Within the discussion (http://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_victor_vran_92633) there were many different positions. Perhaps at first we should get a clear understanding for our own.
1 - In The q&a the developers said that they would patch in "The Gift of Gear" to offline mode. This is just a unlimited health potion.
2 - Treasure scrolls is something completely different, they are unlimited mini quests that can drop in the game only if you are playing online.
The developers have never said anything about making Treasure Scrolls available offline.
3 A lot of people got confused in the q&a thread and thought "the gift of gear" was the Treasure Scrolls for some reason.
Posted July 30, 2015
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throgh: So then: Would you mind clarifying that point of missing information? I mean if this is another completely different aspect then what did they told in the Q&A? I thought this is just a multiplayer aspect. I can't test this because of lacking version for Linux. :-(

But this is one game at all so GOG would not lack of DRM-free tomorrow. It is correct: This game should have never released here in this state. But then we should complain more about these problems and showing off what DRM-free should meant to be. Within the discussion (http://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_victor_vran_92633) there were many different positions. Perhaps at first we should get a clear understanding for our own.
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Santar: 1 - In The q&a the developers said that they would patch in "The Gift of Gear" to offline mode. This is just a unlimited health potion.
2 - Treasure scrolls is something completely different, they are unlimited mini quests that can drop in the game only if you are playing online.
The developers have never said anything about making Treasure Scrolls available offline.
3 A lot of people got confused in the q&a thread and thought "the gift of gear" was the Treasure Scrolls for some reason.
Thanks for clarifying. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but then the treasure scrolls are only part of multiplayer-mode. So where is the DRM effectively? Of course it's not good restricting this one to ONLINE-feature. But does this compromise the singleplayer-campaign or any other cooperation-mode when implemented? Note: I have not played the game yet, but I'm trying to get a clear picture of the concurrent state of the software.
Post edited July 30, 2015 by throgh
Posted July 30, 2015
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Santar: 1 - In The q&a the developers said that they would patch in "The Gift of Gear" to offline mode. This is just a unlimited health potion.
2 - Treasure scrolls is something completely different, they are unlimited mini quests that can drop in the game only if you are playing online.
The developers have never said anything about making Treasure Scrolls available offline.
3 A lot of people got confused in the q&a thread and thought "the gift of gear" was the Treasure Scrolls for some reason.
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throgh: Thanks for clarifying. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but then the treasure scrolls are only part of multiplayer-mode. So where is the DRM effectively? Of course it's not good restricting this one to ONLINE-feature. But does this compromise the singleplayer-campaign or any other cooperation-mode when implemented? Note: I have not played the game yet, but I'm trying to get a clear picture of the concurrent state of the software.
Technically this isn't DRM, it's just locking away in game content behind online. (Which is just as bad)
The Treasure Scrolls are a infinite number of small quests that you can do alone or with friends, you just need to be logged in online to get them.
So if you play the game only offline you will never get any of those quests.
I find this extremely disappointing as the Treasure Scrolls sound like a fun addition to the game.
Posted July 30, 2015
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halldojo: Splitscreen really??? wow that is (sorry to say this) a whole new kind of stupid when it comes to pc imo..
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throgh: Why? Okay it would be also better having a local LAN-mode peer-to-peer. But it is even okay because otherwise a complete license is needed for every player. For splitscreen you could only grab one license and play with friends or family. Not the best but even good when the other player don't want to invest money or have some unsure reactions about it.
Valid point.
Although to the best of my knowledge GOG license works like so, you are allowed to install the product you purchase onto any computer you own, that means you can allow family and friends to enjoy the game also with 1 license (provided you have more than 1 computer).
Posted July 30, 2015
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throgh: Thanks for clarifying. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but then the treasure scrolls are only part of multiplayer-mode. So where is the DRM effectively? Of course it's not good restricting this one to ONLINE-feature. But does this compromise the singleplayer-campaign or any other cooperation-mode when implemented? Note: I have not played the game yet, but I'm trying to get a clear picture of the concurrent state of the software.
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Santar: Technically this isn't DRM, it's just locking away in game content behind online. (Which is just as bad)
The Treasure Scrolls are a infinite number of small quests that you can do alone or with friends, you just need to be logged in online to get them.
So if you play the game only offline you will never get any of those quests.
I find this extremely disappointing as the Treasure Scrolls sound like a fun addition to the game.
Absolutely, so thanks for explaining and clarifying that point. From my understanding we should not stop here to complain about that feature. From the Q&A it seems that the developers are also willing to hear the feedback. Perhaps we could make something more from that. :-)
Post edited July 30, 2015 by throgh
Posted July 30, 2015
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throgh: Why? Okay it would be also better having a local LAN-mode peer-to-peer. But it is even okay because otherwise a complete license is needed for every player. For splitscreen you could only grab one license and play with friends or family. Not the best but even good when the other player don't want to invest money or have some unsure reactions about it.
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halldojo: Valid point.
Although to the best of my knowledge GOG license works like so, you are allowed to install the product you purchase onto any computer you own, that means you can allow family and friends to enjoy the game also with 1 license (provided you have more than 1 computer).
I think GOG mus also have a look on the agreement of the corresponding publisher. I don't think UbiSoft would appreciate it if only one license is bought and then replicated within network.
Posted July 30, 2015
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Santar: Technically this isn't DRM, it's just locking away in game content behind online. (Which is just as bad)
I absolutely agree. One big plus point of GOG is (or was in this case) that I don't need another account somewhere else to play.
Posted July 30, 2015
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halldojo: Valid point.
Although to the best of my knowledge GOG license works like so, you are allowed to install the product you purchase onto any computer you own, that means you can allow family and friends to enjoy the game also with 1 license (provided you have more than 1 computer).
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throgh: I think GOG mus also have a look on the agreement of the corresponding publisher. I don't think UbiSoft would appreciate it if only one license is bought and then replicated within network.
Perhaps, although I would expect this to be a requirement when you sign up a game on gog.com, that might be the reason the manufacturer is forcing a cdkey activation online.
Posted July 31, 2015
This is like complaining that a 90's game still has DRM because its online mode requires Gamespy, even though the DRM in the game's executable has been patched out and single player works fine.

The devs never programmed LAN support, so all online play requires an account. If you don't want to make an account, don't. The game itself doesn't stop you from playing offline. You need no account, and there are no install limits, CD checks, or online verification (i.e. No DRM)
Post edited July 31, 2015 by kreidos
Posted July 31, 2015
Sry that my post is OT. Could anybody tell me how I could change the language settings to german language? I haven´t find a way till now.
thank you for helpful answers

Found it...^^
Post edited July 31, 2015 by Deascilly
Posted August 03, 2015
As long as there are no drm-free multi-player options (either by setting up your own server, or direct ip connect, or lan) then it is a drm game, and should be removed from gogs store.
(((unless gog removes the multi-player tag from said store pages)))

Sadly, GOG thinks drm-free only applies to single player... yet 99% of gogs multiplayer games are indeed drm-free.

The only exceptions I know to this are these two games:
Age Of Wonders 3
Victor Vran

I can understand if there was both drm-free + DRM multiplayer options, in this case, I could understand drm for the stats/trouneyz/website integration/etc.

But these two companies are refusing to release the server side software, forcing us to drm to their servers, which at any point in time these servers can go offline, 100% making our "drm-free multiplayer" purchase worthless.


So as far as I can tell, gog is purposely miss leading and miss informing buyers of these two games by saying it is drm-free multi-player.
Posted October 29, 2015
I tend to agree.. One of the biggest if not the ENTIRE desire for DRM free is the knowledge that years down the road you'll be able to play your game without any "issues"..

So because of that, No LAN in multiplayer aspects of games and requiring an online account or service to play without the capability of creating your own server IS indeed DRM.. There's no denying it, no counter arguing it.. None..

Its DRM..
Posted November 10, 2015
lost 2 sales including mine. if it has drm to it I will get the steam version. the whole point of gog is no drm.
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visageofanangel: Lost a sale here.
Posted November 22, 2015
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Eron: I tend to agree.. One of the biggest if not the ENTIRE desire for DRM free is the knowledge that years down the road you'll be able to play your game without any "issues"..

So because of that, No LAN in multiplayer aspects of games and requiring an online account or service to play without the capability of creating your own server IS indeed DRM.. There's no denying it, no counter arguing it.. None..

Its DRM..
Exactly. This is just another game that you lease.
Posted December 04, 2015
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ralfkorrek: I understand if people get angry by this "create a new account" thing - I was angry at first, too. But it is only needed for multiplayer and the gift-box (which contains things, which one can get ingame too - some of them really quick). If one is going with singleplayer only, there is no need for that account and no login at all - no DRM in that case.
Not sure if this is true. I use a "default deny" setup for Windows Firewall, and the game crashes if I don't punch a hole for it, even when I'm not trying to play online.

Even if it's just an edge case bug, the game is still dialing home on startup, before I've gone anywhere near the online menu.
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