In my copy of Savage Empire, I'm playing version 2.1, if the Avatar has a full inventory the game will lock up upon death. I didn't know what was causing it at first. Just thought I'd let people know in case others encounter it.

Thank you for so broadcasting this! That does indeed look like a potentially-problematic bug!

It might be worth reporting it also to the "Codex of Ultima Wisdom" wiki--it doesn't look like they have it!

I had trouble with the Codex site but I emailed the webmaster about the bug.

Edit: I received an email saying their email address was unable to receive mail. I'll keep trying but maybe someone could inform them in my stead? Thank you.

Edit: I see now there are two Codex sites.. I'll try the other one.

Edit: I edited this page and added the bug:

https://ultima.fandom.com/wiki/Bugs

Thank you for doing that. ^_^

I've sent a tweet to the Ultima Dragons fan-club on Twitter, letting them know about this and about your trouble contacting the wiki to which I linked.

Hi! Could you tell us a bit more about this bug?

I'm not entirely sure whether you're saying it's due to a full inventory (i.e. no more space) or having reached maximum weight (as you wrote on the wiki).

I've tried to reproduce this with the Avatar carrying maximum weight, and it didn't happen to me (also on version 2.1).

- Dino

heya, wiki.ultimacodex.com admin here (and former ultima.fandom.com admin before the entire community moved to ultimacodex). Which email address did you try to contact?

It was maximum weight for me. Maybe it only happens to me, IDK. As for the email, it was webmaster@wiki.ultimacodex.com

I just zipped up my savegame folder and uploaded it to Google Drive, this time I was able to reproduce the bug by having Triolo attack the Avatar with the knife over and over. This time it went back to Intanya's hut and freezes but I can still see people walking. Here's a link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u8PrKh-ZsXswKH-sZVXEgn8n2WGfwD-D/view?usp=sharing

If links aren't allowed on this forum please tell me and I'll remove it.

I'm checking out the savegame you provided. It's quite an entertaining bug you came across. For me, on death, it alternates between locking the game and turning the Avatar into a Myrmidex. It still happens if the Avatar drops some stuff, so I don't think it has anything to do with weight. More likely your savegame somehow got corrupted. (I also find it strange that some of the files in the savegame folder have lowercase names, but it doesn't change much if I turn them to uppercase.)

On an unrelated note, where did you get all those rifle bullets? I had no idea there were so many in the whole game. I'm guessing Seggallion, Lab and Fritz... is there anywhere else I don't know about?

Even more interesting: kill off another party member (e.g. Rafkin). Then have someone kill the Avatar. When you get resurrected, your last party member becomes a horse.

Thanks to this, I know exactly what your problem is.

This is the same as this bug that Sergorn wrote about in 2010:
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And I realised just a couple of days ago that this "horsey" bug is also the same as the well-known "Gold Falls" bug, which I have described here:
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Checking that out will lead you full circle back to the GOG forums, where this was reported in 2018 and a fix (via hex editing) is described:
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This is very exciting; nobody knows yet how this bug occurs, but it happens often enough that we may someday make sense of it. It's the first time I see a savegame able to reproduce it. If you retrace your steps and describe what you've done so far, maybe we can narrow it down. Did you kill the Sakkhra T-Rex, and when you did, did you by any chance seeing anything like "Eohippus falls" or "Gold falls" written?

Just as I'm about to post this, it's not letting me include any links. To get to the right place, find Dino's Ultima Page, then select "Savage Empire", then "Fun", and look for the "Bugs" section. You want to look at the "Gold Falls" and "Horsey Transformation" subsections.

Edit: Looks like you did toast that T-Rex alright.

While I don't have much to add on my own account, this is proving rather interesting! ^_^

@dandago: Regarding the links, if you DM them to me over on Twitter, I may be able to post them here.

All right, here are those links, I believe! ^_^

"This is the same as this bug that Sergorn wrote about in 2010:"
https://sergorn.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/what-the-hell-is-that-horse-doing-in-my-party/

"And I realised just a couple of days ago that this "horsey" bug is also the same as the well-known "Gold Falls" bug, which I have described here:"
https://gigi.nullneuron.net/ultima/se/fun.php#bugs

"Checking that out will lead you full circle back to the GOG forums, where this was reported in 2018 and a fix (via hex editing) is described:"
https://www.gog.com/forum/ultima_series/savage_empire_critical_trex_party_member_disappearing_bug_and_possible_fix

I did kill the T-Rex, and saw the Gold falls message. I suppose it was a combination of that bug and my savegame being corrupted. I finished the game now though. Thanks for the links and looking into it. Oh and the bullets were Segallion, the lab, and Fritz' cave. There's also 4 bullets in the spider cave.