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The Witcher 3: Wild HuntSPOILERS - Keira Metz discussion.(21 posts)(21 posts)
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Posted June 04, 2015
Hello fellow Witchers!

Reading a variety of comments regarding Keira brought me to thinking that people tend to judge this character too hastily. Lets go through some basic information. She is a run away mage now. She was part of the Lodge, the evil, political gathering of the most dangerous women of the face of this earth. As far as I am concerned, she did not take a huge part in the evil schemes the Lodge was doing. Most probably she was forced or manipulated by more convincing personas like Philippa or Sheala. Fond of luxury, with a strong detest of nature and it's dirtiness. Confirmed nympho. Come on guys, welcoming Geralt in her secret hideout in such a 'convicning' way? She is also very interested in Catriona research as we learn along her questline.

Many people kill her after the hounted island quest, thinking they were manipulated with charm and sex to do her bidding. That is not exactly true. Let us try to put ourselves in her skin for a second.

She is running away from the blind wrath of Radowid. Why is the king so maddened with hatered? It has to do with the ongoing war. It would be very difficult to take over Novigrad and all it's riches and the armada with all the mages defending it. There is no immediate threat form the mages side this time around. Lodge is gone after all. When we venture into the ruins to find clues about Ciri's whereabouts, she acts more like a little girl, affraid of rats and powerful enemies, yet she is valiantly helping Geralt out when lightly convinced. Later on in the game we learn that she is a rather non conflict person (Regreting comming to Kear Morhen for the fight). As we already know, mages are being hunted down. Fearing for her life she is convincing Geralt to help her retrieve Catriona research. She would barter with Radowid for her own life with the research documents. Clearly, desperation act. At this point her head rolls away from her body if we choose to kill her. And I am just...what the actual hell guys? It is easy to deduct that, in reality, she is just a scared little girl at this point. She did help a great deal before. Asking for a favour in return is not really that bad of a thing. She thanks with style and even with her body if we so agree.

What is more, did I understand correctly that, Lambert and Keira are into each other and that Keira, if we let her live and leave the papers with her, finds a cure to Catriona?

Let me know what you guys think :) Keira is my personal fav to be honest :P Why can't I live with her at the end of the game? :D
Posted June 04, 2015
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sariaen: Hello fellow Witchers!

Reading a variety of comments regarding Keira brought me to thinking that people tend to judge this character too hastily. Lets go through some basic information. She is a run away mage now. She was part of the Lodge, the evil, political gathering of the most dangerous women of the face of this earth. As far as I am concerned, she did not take a huge part in the evil schemes the Lodge was doing. Most probably she was forced or manipulated by more convincing personas like Philippa or Sheala. Fond of luxury, with a strong detest of nature and it's dirtiness. Confirmed nympho. Come on guys, welcoming Geralt in her secret hideout in such a 'convicning' way? She is also very interested in Catriona research as we learn along her questline.

Many people kill her after the hounted island quest, thinking they were manipulated with charm and sex to do her bidding. That is not exactly true. Let us try to put ourselves in her skin for a second.

She is running away from the blind wrath of Radowid. Why is the king so maddened with hatered? It has to do with the ongoing war. It would be very difficult to take over Novigrad and all it's riches and the armada with all the mages defending it. There is no immediate threat form the mages side this time around. Lodge is gone after all. When we venture into the ruins to find clues about Ciri's whereabouts, she acts more like a little girl, affraid of rats and powerful enemies, yet she is valiantly helping Geralt out when lightly convinced. Later on in the game we learn that she is a rather non conflict person (Regreting comming to Kear Morhen for the fight). As we already know, mages are being hunted down. Fearing for her life she is convincing Geralt to help her retrieve Catriona research. She would barter with Radowid for her own life with the research documents. Clearly, desperation act. At this point her head rolls away from her body if we choose to kill her. And I am just...what the actual hell guys? It is easy to deduct that, in reality, she is just a scared little girl at this point. She did help a great deal before. Asking for a favour in return is not really that bad of a thing. She thanks with style and even with her body if we so agree.

What is more, did I understand correctly that, Lambert and Keira are into each other and that Keira, if we let her live and leave the papers with her, finds a cure to Catriona?

Let me know what you guys think :) Keira is my personal fav to be honest :P Why can't I live with her at the end of the game? :D
For Keira (killed her the first run, let her live the second run - still at it), as well as for Yen and Triss:

I think that, if it were not for the quests they will give Geralt (if he is devoute enough), if it were not for these, I would gladly show them that Geralt's testicles are working correctly, but that this fact does not mean that he can be used, misused the way they do.

Triss - well she gets what she wants from Geralt, but she seems to be not half as selfish as Keira and Yen.

OK, I do not have the books, and it might well be that the things that I personally find "not right" are really making sense.
Judging from the games (1 to 3) I tend to like folks like Zoltan (weird but honest) a whole lot better then those females.

And no, I am no monk, I like my fresh meat from time to time - everything is working correctly :).
Maybe I am just using the right body parts for thinking, could be totally wrong.
Post edited June 04, 2015 by zerebrush
Posted June 04, 2015
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sariaen: in reality, she is just a scared little girl
Make that a spoilt and manipulating little girl. But yes, you're absolutely right, she displays absolutely no sign of evil intent. People who kill her do so out of a knee-jerk reaction. If you have any insight, you cannot deduce that she's evil. I quite like the character, though I'd find a real world version unbearable.
Posted June 04, 2015
I killed her because she attacked me. As a witcher I can't let those Documents roam around. I spread Igni ontop of that tower for exactly that reason and I think its an annoying story flaw that Geralt doesn't even think about destroying the research after he is done in that tower.

Maybe I play my Witcher a little bit too much "Brotherhood of Steel" Style, but I honestly felt like I need to destroy those Files and there was no Indication that this dialogue choice would result in a fight to the death. Since I dont reload to change my Answers, my Keire is dead, and in retrospect she deserves it because her first reaction to "I cant let you leave with that" is "Then you wont leave here at all"... WTF... She tries to bloody murder Geralt of Rivia over a piece of Paper...
Post edited June 04, 2015 by Chimgog
Posted June 04, 2015
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Chimgog: I killed her because she attacked me. As a witcher I can't let those Documents roam around. I spread Igni ontop of that tower for exactly that reason and I think its an annoying story flaw that Geralt doesn't even think about destroying the research after he is done in that tower.

Maybe I play my Witcher a little bit too much "Brotherhood of Steel" Style, but I honestly felt like I need to destroy those Files and there was no Indication that this dialogue choice would result in a fight to the death. Since I dont reload to change my Answers, my Keire is dead, and in retrospect she deserves it because her first reaction to "I cant let you leave with that" is "Then you wont leave here at all"... WTF... She tries to bloody murder Geralt of Rivia over a piece of Paper...
Agreed. I called her out for being a fork-tongued snake or something of the sort and she then proceeded to attack me. I killed her and felt good about it.
Mind you I read all the books and I was fully aware of how manipulative and conniving the sorceresses are in the world of the Witcher, so maybe I was biased with my reaction.
Posted June 04, 2015
From my point of view Geralt has experienced too much already to take this kind of manipulation too personal. It's not the first time someone used him for whatever reason. Besides someone who likes to use Axii to get what he wants should be a bit more flexibile here, haha ;). For me the only interesting question in this situation was why. After all the whole situation never felt like it was out of hand and Keira seemed reasonable enough to talk her out of it and make her hand over the research willingly.

Besides though I didn't like Keiras attitude so much she's still an interesting character. Too bad the game doesn't make more use of her.
Posted June 04, 2015
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Chimgog: .. WTF... She tries to bloody murder Geralt of Rivia over a piece of Paper...
For her future, not for a piece of paper. Besides, Geralt of Rivia kills people for coin... and less.
Posted June 04, 2015
what i find
confusing , ill send both triss and keira to kaer morhen ,
both asking if i come by visiting them , now that i cna go back none of them are there like wtf
Posted June 04, 2015
The most dangerous choice would be sending her to Kear Morhen.
3 sorceress that you slept with in the same spot now that sounds fun lol
Posted June 04, 2015
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ipole: what i find
confusing , ill send both triss and keira to kaer morhen ,
both asking if i come by visiting them , now that i cna go back none of them are there like wtf
Yeah, they'll get there pretty late in the game. But don't get your hopes up because there's not so much interaction with Keira from this moment on. and it's only a bit better with Triss.

But I'd say the Keira and Triss are resolved too soon during the first half of the game.
Posted June 04, 2015
I let her live and sent her to Kear Morhen. but I kept the notes just in case since I couldn't trust her.
Posted June 04, 2015
To clarify my earlier statement, I did not call her names in the first half of the dialogue, didnt care about that at all. Ive pretty much given her the cold shoulder except everything that looked like the beginning of a sidequests. All I wanted was the Research because the game ignored my earlier attempts to torch the tower and destroy it. She then attacked me without provokation and, in my eyse, totally out of character.

That and the missing interaction with the Kaer Morhen Girls, as mentioned in this thread (iam not that far) seem like obvious improvements for the Enhanced Edition.

Although I must say, If you allow me to go a bit off topic, I find neither of the prominent female characters interesting or atractive. Triss was unbelievable annoying in the Witcher 1, Shani had no character except for "I am a nurse" but she always won my favor over that decieving redhead.

In this game she is designed to be liked, but i couldnt care less about her.

Yen (not my type anyway), lost every and all chances of being liked after finding her in white orchard. Geralt moved Heaven and Earth to find her, rescued Letho in the process and pretty much caused the whole W2 plot with it (including the easy Nilfgaardian Invasion) and there is no acknowledgement of all that. Its like this:

"Yen!!! Finally... after x years of searching, amnesia, and about fifty thousand dead monsters and people I finally find you!"
"Yeah, nice to see you too, meet my Nilfgaardian Bodyguards and come with me to meet Adolf so we can do what he wants"

My first impulse? Kill both in their sleep, find Roche and rebuild Temeria!
Posted June 04, 2015
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Chimgog: My first impulse? Kill both in their sleep, find Roche and rebuild Temeria!
It's not a novel, nor a movie, it's a game, and they have to cater for people who have neither read the books, nor played the previous two games. That reaction definitely sounds Brotherhood of Steel like. Take a pause, don't just react.
Posted June 04, 2015
As many of you stated, you couldn't trust her. However, she actually finds the cure to Catriona disease which was devastating populations in the 1st Witcher game. Those were notes regarding research, not an actual guide on 'How to spread disease and kill people efficiently'. Those notes would be very dangerous in the hands of Radowid, who is 'An old bitch' as Kalkstein says, during his execution. Keira, just out of fear, wants the research to barter for her life. We convince her to go to Kaer Morhen, she does the job well. Whether we take the notes or not, she still works on the cure.

I still say some are to hasty to kill for betrayal like this. Do you really believe she can pull of some evil shit when she is scared of rats, and ordered some luxury goods to remind her how it used to be in the old days?

What is more, Geralt is not killing people for coins :P He does when he has to or when he thinks that is the right thing to do.

Maybe some of you thought that it was her, doing what happened to those people in cages on top of the tower. It was not her fault, it was the other mage who is probably dead already.
Posted June 05, 2015
Alexander is dead, and Keira slept with him trying to gain access to his research. You learn this from various Letters.

That makes her a decieving whore that sleeps with mass murderers to gain personal advantages.

And when Geralt (depending on playstyle, but mostly a "force of good in the world") tries to take that away from her, she wants to murder him immediatly. No vocal protest.. no explaination what she wants to to with it, she just attacks.
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