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Snarfinator: I posted earlier here http://www.gog.com/en/forum/the_witcher_2/disappointed_by_the_lack_of_homosexuality_in_the_witcher_2/post70 that unlike Bioware, that had games with Limited backstory this game was based on books that had Geralt portrayed in a clearly heterosexual light. But the last few pages have degenerated into what is clearly a non constructive thread. I am not the only one who thinks this topic should be locked, not because of the topic, but because of what this thread has become.
It's great you started off with a meaningful contribution, however unfortunately by the end you had to resort to insults meanwhile demanding the thread be locked. While there is some mindless banter in this thread, there are some intelligent commentators here too.

I guess the difference between you and I is I'm willing to allow intelligent conversation to overshadowing the lame homophobic rants, whereas you deem the whole thread a waste. What a pity.
Post edited May 30, 2011 by BakedGoods
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Snarfinator: I posted earlier here http://www.gog.com/en/forum/the_witcher_2/disappointed_by_the_lack_of_homosexuality_in_the_witcher_2/post70 that unlike Bioware, that had games with Limited backstory this game was based on books that had Geralt portrayed in a clearly heterosexual light. But the last few pages have degenerated into what is clearly a non constructive thread. I am not the only one who thinks this topic should be locked, not because of the topic, but because of what this thread has become.
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BakedGoods: It's great you started off with a meaningful contribution, however unfortunately by the end you had to resort to insults meanwhile demanding the thread be locked. While there is some mindless banter in this thread, there are some intelligent commentators here too.

I guess the difference between you and I is I'm willing to allow intelligent conversation to overshadowing the lame homophobic rants, whereas you deem the whole thread a waste. What a pity.
Delusions of grandeur much? You keep proving my point. I'm done dealing with you, Hopefully this topic gets locked, if not have fun trolling.
Post edited May 30, 2011 by Snarfinator
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Snarfinator: Delusions of grandeur much? You keep proving my point.
*sigh* Only because your point is a self-fulling prophecy which you continue to perpetuate--yet I'm the troll? Hah, I'm now sure you're blind to your own hypocrisy.

Once again, I am willing to continue a conversation about sexuality's role in videogames. If you are not, then stop wasting our time by derailing this thread plz k thx.
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This game needs MOAR LESBOMANCY!
Lol there are gay trolls everywhere. Nice work.
Post edited May 31, 2011 by DartMass
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HenriqueVT: http://forums.bioware.com/ ---- There.
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RageGT: No they are not. They are a mix of everything and that's ok.

Mas Henrique, tu ta' outdated pra' caralho hein, meu velho? Correct link:

http://social.bioware.com/
Damn. I still prefer the old one though. And btw this is an english-speaking forum.
Post edited June 01, 2011 by HenriqueVT
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Chopy: Actually that brings me to question certain things.

Old witchers and dozens of boys living together , in a place where there is not much to do besides training , for a very long periods of time with no women.

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With women staying and visiting the keep while they train!

Whats your point?

Personally I think this whole gay issue (in game in general) has gotten way outta control now.

I dont not see why you have to add a gay storyline to a main character to appease a very vocal minority!

Far as the Witcher goes.

Geralt cant be a woman,
Geralt cant be black

There are two other vocal groups that want equal representation that are not pandered to as well. Why would CDR go the gay route before those other groups first?

I got to admit, ive starter to enjoy RPGs less over all since some developers have started to pander to political pressure groups rather then just tell them all to shut up. Our game, our veiw, play it or dont, thats the only say you get.

I no longer buy Bioware single player games. The reason really has nothing to do with the gay stuff in their games now. I just dont like their new design and focus. But Id be lieing if one of the fringe benefits of stopping to support them is the indirect message being sent about the whole gay issue being forced on people in their games recently!

I play RPGs for escapism and relaxation, not for neo leftist political messages.

I was annoyed when I read some woman whining that she couldnt play The Witcher because Geralt is male only!
Im even more annoyed with the whine that Geralt, a establish character long before the games development, isnt retooled to fit a political agenda of modern day activists.

Play the game and leave your real world bullcrap in the real world and out of my RPGS thank you very much!

You should be glad Geralt doesnt kill any gays he meets for being gay cause truth of matter, while soundly fiction the time line is set in a actual historical time/setting (not place) and back then, homosexuality by anyone but a noble born (and sometimes even them) was basically a death sentance if found out by general society of any social structure!

Stupid thread
Stupid topic
Stupid agenda!

I support local animal shelters and rescue agencies in my real life and frown on hunting and what not in present day. Should I start demanding that butcher shops and tanners and hunt masters be removed from game because my 2011 sencibilities are different from the era timeline they are basing this work of fiction in?

GROW UP OP!
GROW UP!
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Snarfinator: I really hate the term homophobe, I t implies fear, I do not fear them, I just dislike many of them intensely. I don't give a rats ass what people do in their own house, I just don't need to hear about it constantly.
Well said, well said!
Post edited June 01, 2011 by Kalfear
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Chopy: Actually that brings me to question certain things.

Old witchers and dozens of boys living together , in a place where there is not much to do besides training , for a very long periods of time with no women.

O_0
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Kalfear: With women staying and visiting the keep while they train!

Whats your point?

Personally I think this whole gay issue (in game in general) has gotten way outta control now.

I dont not see why you have to add a gay storyline to a main character to appease a very vocal minority!

Far as the Witcher goes.

Geralt cant be a woman,
Geralt cant be black
How about Geraldo De Rivera, the obnoxious Puerto Rican Witcher? :)
Like others have stated, Geralt is not a homosexual. The lore of this world has already been penned. It would ruin the story and world to change the main character so as to cater to people who are chained by political correctness. Making Geralt gay would be ridiculous; as ridiculous as people claiming that LotR was racist because there weren't a variety of ethnicities in it.

That said, there is some lesbianism in TW2, which is presented in a light-hearted way. I wouldn't have a problem if there were gay men in TW2. Just don't change the main characters to suit people that cry bigotry over superficial things.
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soldiergeralt: that makes no sense. do you think those traits are exclusive to heterosexuals?
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Leteia: Well I think there is a TV trope that all the gays are evil maybe that is what he or she is saying but I think that is not exactly the case here everyone in the witcher universe is evil on some level, there are no saint really.

I still find it funny a guy like Geralt that is call a freak, that is different and likes to side with the minorities and still people cannot get the message behind the game, ironic really.
You know (and I said this in other post but will say again), the time era fantasy in general is based on (and tends to use their different customs and religions and cultures and social attitudes in most cases, Bioware excluded) doesnt recognize or approve of homosexuality!

Say there was a time machine (I know I know, bare with me here) and you dialed back to the chivalric age, to the knights and squires and all that era. And you even spoke like say Richard Simmons or any number of obvious gay males with the sterotype girlish voice. You would be killed.

No exageration, not glorifying it, just stating the truth as history has recorded it.

The ONLY gays on record with any type of security/safety were POWERFUL MEN who could have you killed with a snap of their finger. ALA Dethmold.

Heck, historica fact, Alexander was gay. Leader of armies that did actually partake in homosexual affairs while campaigning. Soon as they were home though, they were expected to plow their wives and women and anyone caught engaging in homosexual content when NOT CAMPAIGNING was put to death immediately!

Alexander himself, the Freaking KING basically had to hide his homosexuality according to history as the men would not follow him if they knew he was gay when not at war with the army!

Rome in ts highest level of debauchery, it was a crime, if not of powerful social status to engage in homosexual activities.

The fact is, history of this time line states only the very powerful could get away with being openly homosexual, and even then, very very few flaunted it and most went to great lenghts to hide the activity!

So The Witcher 2 with Dethmold buggering a slave in his tent and no one else is VERY FAITHFUL to European mideval times and practices. So
when the only male homosexuality is practised by a deranged, arguably evil and twisted character.
, while not the case in 2011, is very true to form for that era that the fantasy writing is based off of.

I REALLY think people need to stop pushing modern day politics and agendas into fantasy (and even sci fi) games and stories.

I mean, if I was easily offended, id be far more offended with the fact that, except for a virgin (the non humans leader) or a rape victim (Ves) or powerful magic users (Triss and them), women are only depicted as wives (subservant to their husbands) or whores (subservant to money) in the Witcher series, long before the homosexuality agenda ever was mentioned.

But like the lack of homosexuals, the depliction of women in that time period is very accurate! Women didnt have alot of choices back then. For the most part it was either spread your legs and push out children for your husband or spread you legs and collect coppers from your trick (or be a barmaid as well, servant also). Point is it was like that really (in North America) till the 1950s.

Society has advanced and grown. But that doesnt mean every single story needs to push all the different social and political agendas of the modern day. Its role playing and if your not interested in role playing in that era, dont play the game! Or only play Bioware games as it appears they are willing to sell their very beings to get a few extra sales and pander to anyone and everyone!

Honestly, as much as I loved Dragon Age Origins (I rank it #2 (tied with The Witcher) on my all time games list), Zevran was freaking annoying and after the first play through I just simply didnt allow him to join my group because saying no to him wasnt good enough, he had to push his homo agenda every time you tried to speak to him. It got annoying and if they rest of the characters were not as strongly written as they were, I (and many others I know and have read online) would have tossed the game away because we signed up for a grand Mideval Fantasy romp. Not a social leftist political agenda being forced on us.

And you closed mind bigots can call me a homophobe all you want, it doesnt matter as I know who I am and what I am. I dont think its unrealistic that when I load up a mideval style fantasy game I not
1) See a group of woman burning bras and marching for equality,
2) Be constantly accousted openly by homosexual males,
3) have someone shoot me with a AK47
4) Drive a gas powered muscle car with a 6 pack gear shift and a 454 engine
5) and much much more from modern day life that doesnt fit the storyline, setting, normal political climate for the time period back then.

And with that I leave this stupid beyond words thread.
Tommorrow the sun will shine
Birds will chirp
My Cats will demand attention and food
And Geralt will be hetrosexual to a fault!

And im perfectly ok with that! :)
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Chopy: Actually that brings me to question certain things.

Old witchers and dozens of boys living together , in a place where there is not much to do besides training , for a very long periods of time with no women.

O_0
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Kalfear: With women staying and visiting the keep while they train!

Whats your point?
No not really , they are keeping witchers schools as a secret.As far as i remember only women that visited Kear Mohren ware Triss and Yen.

And i don't have point i was just kidding.
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gays go elsewhere for your gay fix.. not everything in the world needs to be gay just for you..theres a reason your a minority..stay in your cave and leave us normz alone
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thekingcasper: gays go elsewhere for your gay fix.. not everything in the world needs to be gay just for you..theres a reason your a minority..stay in your cave and leave us normz alone
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Ren02: Eh well, since this topic won't die anyway...

I really wish someone had the balls to make a game where you play a homosexual main character... and the majority of the NPCs start hating you for it as soon as you say you're one. That might make some good drama.

Instead we have games where there is either no homosexuality whatsoever or there is homosexuality and every last person in the game is OK with it (I'm looking at you, Dragon Age). This last option seems much more hypocritical than having no gays in the game at all.

I mean art is supposed to reflect our society, no? And homophobia is a problem in the society the same way as racism is. Witcher for example does feature racism and you as a character are able to pick sides in it. This really makes you think about the real world for a bit.

However OP apparently was just lamenting the lack of a gay sex scene in the game. And I don't see how this would improve the game in any way.
LOL thought I was done with this thread but had to reply to this!

And why do you think no one (not even openly gay developers) have made such a game?

Because the game would be a financial ruin and waste of money targetting a very small portion of gamers out there!

The mass majority would simply not buy the game AT ANY PRICE.

The gay advocates can make up BS all they want about how people want to play gay characters. Its exactly that, bullpucky!

Or actually to be more exact, they would refuse to play gay males as it is a sad sad sad premise for a game of any type.

You dont make money targetting a vocal but small minority of any kind.

Id say its just like developers will no longer make PVP centric MMORPGs or Sandbox MMORPGs but actually thats not true. There was a small chance in hell the PVP centric and/or Sandbox MMORPG would sell.

A game targetted to gays about gays simply wouldnt have a big enough following!

Contrary to BS spin, there is not a equal amount of gays people to straight people! Its not even in the same (use what ever measurement you want as the gay to straight ratio is so staggering different I dont really know what measuriung unit to us to accurately expand on the disportionate size of the two).

Simply put, a game made for gays and targetted to gays would fail and cost the developers money they dont want to loose.

Has nothing to do with balls and everything to do with bussiness sense!

Most gay people are not idiots that think any product targetting a minority will instantly sell and make a profit. And no straight person is going to take a chance to push someone elses political issue about a sexuality they dont share.
I think the answer to this thread can only be found in the form of another question. That other question was posed originally, and eloquently I might add, by The Todd.

"Do gay dudes get turned on by their own wieners?"