Posted December 13, 2020
to those curious I found a more viable solution than using the AiO patch.
https://www.gog.com/forum/the_suffering_series/the_ultimate_solution
https://www.gog.com/forum/the_suffering_series/the_ultimate_solution
StixsmasterHD4k
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Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
KainXVIII
old-games.ru
Registered: Dec 2009
From Russian Federation
Posted March 18, 2022
Strange problem with AiO patch - without dsound library game runs only 48-50 fps for some reason, but if you restore dsound.dll which comes with gog version, sound becomes broken and game hangs up very often (but you will get smooth 60 fps)..My only solution is to use Creative Alchemy (but not many people still have supported Creative SB cards) or just deal with less than ideal framerate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post edited June 17, 2022 by KainXVIII
v00d00m4n
New User
Registered: Jan 2011
From Kazakhstan
Posted June 09, 2022
Yeah i also noticed 48-50 fps lock with patch, so i started to play without it and use dgvoodoo and dsoal. DId not try to check how it works without dsound.dll thats for tip, gonna check if it works fine with some of dsound wrapppers i know.
Also there is another problem with patch - it replaces dinput, and i ripped out gog's xidi or dixi (dont remember name) wrapper from few other games and it allows to bind keyboard and mouse to gamepad sorta natively, and this patch prevents using it.
One more problem i have with it - its widescreen patch pretty broken in many aspects and i prefer to play without it, and fixing game's incorrect aspect ratio with dgvooddoo advanced scaller.
If you did not notice - both PC version of Suffering 1 and 2 are suffering from incorrect porting of native aspect ratio, it seems that PS2 resolution 640x448 got verticall stretched to 640x480 by internal aspect ratio calculations, and rest of resolutions got whole 3d scene vertically stretched as well. You can see it pretty well if you find round shaped objects that will appear as vertically stretched ovals.
AIO patch really needs update to address these issues, and made compatible with any dll wrapper (dsound, dinput, d3d9 and so on).
Update, i just checked and can give more precise information about aspect ratio issue in vanilla game that never fixed by anyone.
So, game uses 640x448 resolution as base for aspect ration calculations, then it stretches it to 640x512 and then it crops to 640x480.
Vertical pixel resolution is exactly 1,142857142857143 (512/448) higher than it should be. If you play in 480p you actually have 420 virtual pixels vertically stretched to 480. If you play in 720p you actually have 630 pixels vertically stretched to 720. If you play in 4k or 2160p you actually have 1890 pixel virtually stretched to 2160!
Maybe mistake exist in vertical FOV calculation, im not sure how exactly they managed to screw up aspect ratio like this.
To fix any resolution vertical resolution or fov should be divided by 1,142857142857143 or by (512f/448f) (for better precision) then zoomed in or filled with extra pixels that was cropped initially.
These are sreenshots that proves - one is game rendered in 640x512 resolution as is, another is same screenshot downscaled to 640x448 - you can see how oval sprite turns into perfect circle.
Also there is another problem with patch - it replaces dinput, and i ripped out gog's xidi or dixi (dont remember name) wrapper from few other games and it allows to bind keyboard and mouse to gamepad sorta natively, and this patch prevents using it.
One more problem i have with it - its widescreen patch pretty broken in many aspects and i prefer to play without it, and fixing game's incorrect aspect ratio with dgvooddoo advanced scaller.
If you did not notice - both PC version of Suffering 1 and 2 are suffering from incorrect porting of native aspect ratio, it seems that PS2 resolution 640x448 got verticall stretched to 640x480 by internal aspect ratio calculations, and rest of resolutions got whole 3d scene vertically stretched as well. You can see it pretty well if you find round shaped objects that will appear as vertically stretched ovals.
AIO patch really needs update to address these issues, and made compatible with any dll wrapper (dsound, dinput, d3d9 and so on).
Update, i just checked and can give more precise information about aspect ratio issue in vanilla game that never fixed by anyone.
So, game uses 640x448 resolution as base for aspect ration calculations, then it stretches it to 640x512 and then it crops to 640x480.
Vertical pixel resolution is exactly 1,142857142857143 (512/448) higher than it should be. If you play in 480p you actually have 420 virtual pixels vertically stretched to 480. If you play in 720p you actually have 630 pixels vertically stretched to 720. If you play in 4k or 2160p you actually have 1890 pixel virtually stretched to 2160!
Maybe mistake exist in vertical FOV calculation, im not sure how exactly they managed to screw up aspect ratio like this.
To fix any resolution vertical resolution or fov should be divided by 1,142857142857143 or by (512f/448f) (for better precision) then zoomed in or filled with extra pixels that was cropped initially.
These are sreenshots that proves - one is game rendered in 640x512 resolution as is, another is same screenshot downscaled to 640x448 - you can see how oval sprite turns into perfect circle.
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Post edited June 10, 2022 by v00d00m4n
KainXVIII
old-games.ru
Registered: Dec 2009
From Russian Federation
Posted June 17, 2022
Interesting find, v00d00m4n! I wish someone would fix aspect ratio, because Ucyborg is no longer active (?)
KainXVIII
old-games.ru
Registered: Dec 2009
From Russian Federation
Posted June 17, 2022
Here is comparison between PC and PS2 (through PCSX2 emu) versions, Torque in pc version is much more slimmer
https://imgur.com/a/DR3GnMS
https://imgur.com/a/DR3GnMS
Post edited June 17, 2022 by KainXVIII
AsumSA
New User
Registered: Feb 2017
From Other
Posted August 30, 2022
Thanks for the patch, works, but I need to run executable on main folder since clicking play on gog galaxy crash for some reason.
HaloFighter92
New User
Registered: Dec 2012
From United States
Posted September 02, 2022
Doesn't work. "RFL Incompatible version!" error for TTB. I can run the game without it but i get the mouse bug and the only work around is windowed mode which in turn has its own issue of flickering every 6 seconds to my desktop.
TiagoRocha1989
New User
Registered: Dec 2014
From Portugal
Posted October 06, 2022
For those who struggle with the game freezing due to dsound files, and eventually being locked at 45fps, this is the solution:
Go into the game's folder, and open dsound.ini with notepad or notepad++.
Check where it says: hardwareBufferCount = 128
Replace 128 with 127 as recommended in the point of reference above. If 127 doesn't work, you can try other values they recommend.
From the same game folder, every time you wish to play, run "SUFFERING.EXE" directly.
The game will be running at 60fps. Without freezing.
Go into the game's folder, and open dsound.ini with notepad or notepad++.
Check where it says: hardwareBufferCount = 128
Replace 128 with 127 as recommended in the point of reference above. If 127 doesn't work, you can try other values they recommend.
From the same game folder, every time you wish to play, run "SUFFERING.EXE" directly.
The game will be running at 60fps. Without freezing.
MJold
New User
Registered: Apr 2017
From Brazil
Posted November 03, 2022
Do you guys have problems with the music on The Suffering TTB? I swear that the PS2 had more music playing.
bulldog0890
New User
Registered: Jul 2011
From United States
Posted November 05, 2022
I'm using the all in one patch, but ties that bind crashes in the opening video after launching
this wasn't an issue in the first game. though i still have the first game installed. is that some problem?
this wasn't an issue in the first game. though i still have the first game installed. is that some problem?
SinForged
New User
Registered: Nov 2010
From United States
Posted November 23, 2022
Also there is another problem with patch - it replaces dinput, and i ripped out gog's xidi or dixi (dont remember name) wrapper from few other games and it allows to bind keyboard and mouse to gamepad sorta natively, and this patch prevents using it.
One more problem i have with it - its widescreen patch pretty broken in many aspects and i prefer to play without it, and fixing game's incorrect aspect ratio with dgvooddoo advanced scaller.
If you did not notice - both PC version of Suffering 1 and 2 are suffering from incorrect porting of native aspect ratio, it seems that PS2 resolution 640x448 got verticall stretched to 640x480 by internal aspect ratio calculations, and rest of resolutions got whole 3d scene vertically stretched as well. You can see it pretty well if you find round shaped objects that will appear as vertically stretched ovals.
AIO patch really needs update to address these issues, and made compatible with any dll wrapper (dsound, dinput, d3d9 and so on).
Update, i just checked and can give more precise information about aspect ratio issue in vanilla game that never fixed by anyone.
So, game uses 640x448 resolution as base for aspect ration calculations, then it stretches it to 640x512 and then it crops to 640x480.
Vertical pixel resolution is exactly 1,142857142857143 (512/448) higher than it should be. If you play in 480p you actually have 420 virtual pixels vertically stretched to 480. If you play in 720p you actually have 630 pixels vertically stretched to 720. If you play in 4k or 2160p you actually have 1890 pixel virtually stretched to 2160!
Maybe mistake exist in vertical FOV calculation, im not sure how exactly they managed to screw up aspect ratio like this.
To fix any resolution vertical resolution or fov should be divided by 1,142857142857143 or by (512f/448f) (for better precision) then zoomed in or filled with extra pixels that was cropped initially.
These are sreenshots that proves - one is game rendered in 640x512 resolution as is, another is same screenshot downscaled to 640x448 - you can see how oval sprite turns into perfect circle.
Edit: Also seem to be having problems getting dgVoodoo to even work. No watermark or anything showing up at least.,
Post edited November 23, 2022 by SinForged
KainXVIII
old-games.ru
Registered: Dec 2009
From Russian Federation
Posted February 28, 2023
Also there is another problem with patch - it replaces dinput, and i ripped out gog's xidi or dixi (dont remember name) wrapper from few other games and it allows to bind keyboard and mouse to gamepad sorta natively, and this patch prevents using it.
One more problem i have with it - its widescreen patch pretty broken in many aspects and i prefer to play without it, and fixing game's incorrect aspect ratio with dgvooddoo advanced scaller.
If you did not notice - both PC version of Suffering 1 and 2 are suffering from incorrect porting of native aspect ratio, it seems that PS2 resolution 640x448 got verticall stretched to 640x480 by internal aspect ratio calculations, and rest of resolutions got whole 3d scene vertically stretched as well. You can see it pretty well if you find round shaped objects that will appear as vertically stretched ovals.
AIO patch really needs update to address these issues, and made compatible with any dll wrapper (dsound, dinput, d3d9 and so on).
Update, i just checked and can give more precise information about aspect ratio issue in vanilla game that never fixed by anyone.
So, game uses 640x448 resolution as base for aspect ration calculations, then it stretches it to 640x512 and then it crops to 640x480.
Vertical pixel resolution is exactly 1,142857142857143 (512/448) higher than it should be. If you play in 480p you actually have 420 virtual pixels vertically stretched to 480. If you play in 720p you actually have 630 pixels vertically stretched to 720. If you play in 4k or 2160p you actually have 1890 pixel virtually stretched to 2160!
Maybe mistake exist in vertical FOV calculation, im not sure how exactly they managed to screw up aspect ratio like this.
To fix any resolution vertical resolution or fov should be divided by 1,142857142857143 or by (512f/448f) (for better precision) then zoomed in or filled with extra pixels that was cropped initially.
These are sreenshots that proves - one is game rendered in 640x512 resolution as is, another is same screenshot downscaled to 640x448 - you can see how oval sprite turns into perfect circle.
Edit: Also seem to be having problems getting dgVoodoo to even work. No watermark or anything showing up at least.,
GanderOverYander
New User
Registered: Apr 2019
From United States
Posted April 02, 2024
Does anyone know how to fix the aspect ratio of the menu and the hud while keeping the FOV fix?