I added up CyricZ's QfG3 point list for a fighter and only came up with 491 points. If you add the 3 points for a fighter for telling Kreesha about the initiation that Ashlancer readded to the game with his fan patch, that still only comes to 494 points.

I've read elsewhere that only fighters (and maybe paladins) can get 500 points in QfG3. Wizards and thieves can only get 493 points due to a miscalculation on Sierra's part.

Ashlancer's fan patch, however, asserts that all classes can now get 500 points.

Can anyone explain where the missing points come from?

Looking through his README, I found the following text in the FAQ:

Q - Where are the missing points for each class?

A -

Fighter/Paladin
Tell Kreesha about initiation - 3
Win initiation contest - 10

Wizard
Stop Harami with magic - 7

Thief
Stop Harami with dagger or fruit - 5

Thanks, but I had already read the readme and took it into account.

CyricZ mentions the 10 points for winning the initiation honorably in his point list already. I guess at this point I should provide a link to CyricZ's game guide:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/562690-quest-for-glory-iii-wages-of-war/faqs/13443

CyricZ also mentions 5 points for losing the initiation honorably. I don't see how you could get points for both winning and losing the initiation at the same time. Even if we count those points and the three for telling Kreesha about the initiation, we still come up one point short.

Ashlancer says it is possible for all classes to get all 500 points with his patch, but neither he nor CyricZ give enough information about how to do this.

Let me change the question a bit: Has anyone won QFG3 with all 500 points? If so, can you explain where the missing points may come from?

I got a perfect score with Ashlancer's fixes, but it was with a Paladin, so it's not relevant to you I suppose. Ironically, in vanilla Wages, I think the Fighter is the only class that can actually get 500 points (albeit by exploiting a bug so he can get the points for Paladin powers) - but I've never played Fighter in 3-5, so I wouldn't know from personal experience.

That's great to hear about paladins. I'd just like to hear if anyone else has managed to get 500 points with any of the classes other than Paladin in QFG3 using Ashlancer's patch.

I've gotten 500 points in QFG3 with all classes with Ashlancer's patch installed.

If you go to this Wiki, you can see the point totals:

https://questforglory.fandom.com/wiki/QFG3_points_list

Fighters can get 496 points max (or 550 if they become a Paladin) - need 4 more points
Paladins can get 491 points max - need 9 more points
Magic users can get 493 points max - need 7 more points
Thieves can get 95 points max - need 5 more points

I'm guessing that Fighters and Paladins had some point rejuggling done so that they gain 487 points, and then gain 3 more points than usual by telling Kreesha about the Initiation, and then 10 points by winning the initiation contest.
Magic users can get 7 more points if they stop Harami with magic
Thieves can get 5 more points if they stop Harami with a dagger or fruit

For example, I started the game afresh with a Thief. If I chase down Harimi, I only get 8 points. If I knock down the fruit or take him down with a dagger, I get 13 points.

Regarding how exactly Fighters and Paladin points are reshuffled? I don't know. I just played the game, and near the end if I didn't have enough points, I went through the list and did this quest or did that quest and it eventually added up to 500. So long as you do all of the tasks in the point list, you should get 500 points.

I've gotten 500 with every class using Ashlancer's patch.

It's impossible to get 500 without glitches otherwise, though, except for Fighter, and only because becoming a Paladin will gain you access to the points that let you reach 500.

Thank you so much for saying that.

I noticed several posters in another thread (https://www.gog.com/forum/quest_for_glory_series/qfg3_unofficial_patch_12a/page2) stated that they were only able to get 493 or 498 points as a fighter, even while using version 1.3A. Can anyone explain what might be going on there?

Seems like there was one player who got all 500 points, and another player who only got 498 points, and another player who only got 493 points.

Without knowing exactly what the second player and the third player did or did not do in the game, it's hard to know why they didn't get all 500 points like the first player.

My guess it's something like not listening to the storyteller or not going back to Tarna to tell Kreesha about the Leopard Woman.

According to CyricZ's guide, you are supposed to get 3 points for telling Uhura about the initiation. However, I just told her about the initiation and I never got the points. I am playing version 1.3.1A. Ashlancer didn't say anything about this being a known bug in the game. However, someone in another thread did mention not getting the points for that or for asking Uhura about having a Wife later on, which CyricZ says you are also supposed to get points for. Does anyone know what is going on?

According to both the point list at SierraHelp (http://sierrahelp.com/Misc/PointLists/QfG3Points.html) and AshLancer's readme, you get 3 points from telling Rakeesh/Kreesha about the Initiation, not when you tell Uhura about the initiation.

Following up on this. I just did a quick run with a Fighter, doing a fresh install of QFG3 and a fresh install of Ashlancer's patch, and I finished the game as a Fighter with 500 points by following the point guide on SierraHelp (http://sierrahelp.com/Misc/PointLists/QfG3Points.html).

There are a few discrepancies:

(1A) When you win at wrestling with Uhura, you don't get +5 points

(1B) Instead, after I helped Yesufu when he falls, I got 13 points instead of just 8. I did hear two "point chimes" though...one after I helped Yesufu and another at the end of the race. It's possible that helping Yesufu gave me 8 points, and I got another 5 points at the end of the race.

(2) After I got past the demon guards, I had 425 points, which adds up the same way it does on SierraHelp's point guide. However, the rest of the actions that award points (Use dispel potion on Reeshaka, Reach Mirrors of Darkness, Defeat gargoyle, Defeat Demon, Get rid of Gate Orb, End game) is only supposed to award me 68 points according to the numbers on SierraHelp. Somehow, it awarded me 75 points. I'm unsure where the rest of the points came from, since I couldn't check my character sheet after I say Good-bye to Reeshaka. So there's an extra 7 points that I got during the endgame sequence between the time I said "Good-bye" to Reeshaka and the end of the game.

So if you've finished the game as a Fighter without all 500 points, then there's some task on the point sheet that you haven't completed. I'm just not sure which task it is.

I was able to get 500 points as a Paladin with Ashlancer's patch. I had 442 points when I found Reeshaka, so they must of altered the endgame points some. Most of Cyricz's FAQ was right on. However, there is no 5 points for losing the initiation honorably. There are 5 points for losing the race to Yesufu after helping him, so that might be what it's referring to. Also Paladins also have to get points for killing monsters, not just fighters, including the demon worm fight outside the lost city. And you do tell Kreesha and Rakeesh about the initiation for 3 points, not Uhura. Also there's no points for talking to Uhura about being married to Johari after you marry her. And that's pretty much it. Hope it helps.

Yeah, thanks. I completed the game as a fighter with all 500 points using Ashlancer's patch. I just previously failed to tell anyone here about it.