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V4V: Another "productive" contribution from you, I guess?

Dismissing others' arguments by labelling them as "fanboys" etc. is an immunisation strategy as easy as common, but still a non-productive fallacy.
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Stig79: Well. what would you call people who blindly defend a company who has been caught telling lies over and over again for years?
"Sycophants"?

No wait ... that one's already taken!

"Haters"?

No ... that would be those who blindly attack a company for years on end, for producing ... no, not napalm or exploding harpoons, but ... well, computer games!

You know what? If you want me to take you seriously, don't post a bogus "review" of a game scant nanoseconds after the game goes on sale, very obviously before you had the time to buy the game, not to mention download it, install it and ... well, try it out! And if you do post a review, don't go for the man, go for the ball. As in, write something about the game, rather than calling the company producing the game "leeches" and "parasites".

And don't call those who don't blindly take your word for it names like "fanboys" and "sycophants". That's not very constructive.

Oh, and don't complain about "sprites" - when the problem very obviously is "spite"!
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Stig79: Well. what would you call people who blindly defend a company who has been caught telling lies over and over again for years?
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Montresor_SP: "Sycophants"?

No wait ... that one's already taken!

"Haters"?

No ... that would be those who blindly attack a company for years on end, for producing ... no, not napalm or exploding harpoons, but ... well, computer games!

You know what? If you want me to take you seriously, don't post a bogus "review" of a game scant nanoseconds after the game goes on sale, very obviously before you had the time to buy the game, not to mention download it, install it and ... well, try it out! And if you do post a review, don't go for the man, go for the ball. As in, write something about the game, rather than calling the company producing the game "leeches" and "parasites".

And don't call those who don't blindly take your word for it names like "fanboys" and "sycophants". That's not very constructive.

Oh, and don't complain about "sprites" - when the problem very obviously is "spite"!
I haven't seen anyone on GoG blindly attacking Beamdog. Every claim has been backed up time and time again.

Beamdog produces video games? When did this happen? So far they have just added mods to a few games that had a huge following. They also made sure the classic versions got removed from the stores, so people could only buy their versions. And then they removed the soundtracks from the bundle to sell them separately. Which they have now admitted, after having lied about it for over a year. All documented. You kept denying it constantly though. Claiming Hasbro was behind it all. How did that work out for you when Beamdog made that post saying it was them all along?

As for my review. I wrote it AFTER i had played the game. The game isn't that big and it doesn't take that long to download and install. 5 minutes all in all, I'd say.

"Beamdog is a parasite making money off of other people's work. This is an overpriced mod, and nothing else. Beamdog just compiled them and decided to sell them. The same mods were available for the Classic version (for free) - but sadly Beamdog had the classic removed from the stores in order to make sure only their own version is available. You can only buy the Classic version IF you buy the, much more expensive, EE version now. Slimy move, Beamdog. Slimy.
As for the EE version itself: It runs fine - like the Classic version does.
Buy it on sale."

Nothing in the review is untrue. I didn't even mention bugs or anything like that. I said the game runs fine. If I wanted to "do damage" I am sure I could have just lied and said the game was filled with bugs and whatnot. So I did write something about the game, didn't I? Said sycophants threw a fit over this one and others though. And started a downvoting campaign on negative reviews (again). There is a thread about it on the Beamdog forums. I suspect you already know about that, since you are rather "triggered" about people not being fond of Beamdog's actions.

"If you want me to take you seriously". Uhm...that is not a biggie for me. Kind of arrogant of you to assume that people should strive to be taken seriously by you as well, don't you think? Especially when you think people can't buy, install and play a game on release day.

The sprites are a problem. They don't mesh with the background art at all. It would be absolutely no problem if they would let the player just switch to the old sprites, but sadly the alternative sprites they included look even worse.

So you want me to write something "about the game" in my review, but not mention the horrible sprites, which is ....about the game. The EE version is a mod. Nothing else. So if one writes a review of it, it would make sense to not write about the actual game itself. Since Beamdog never made the game in the first place. I know. It is easy to think they did, since Black Isle got replaced by Beamdog where it says Produced By. But really. they just added a zoom function a new UI and some new sprites etc.

I am guessing you think it is a good thing that the classics got removed from the stores, and that the soundtracks are now sold separately? For the same price as the classic game + the soundtrack used to cost.

Not surprising that you will defend anything Beamdog does, and attack anyone who says anything negative about them though.

Considering that you practically live on their forums. https://forums.beamdog.com/profile/discussions/106/Montresor_SP

So as for Fanboy and Sycophant....if the shoe fits?
Post edited July 26, 2017 by Stig79
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Stig79: Well. what would you call people who blindly defend a company who has been caught telling lies over and over again for years?
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Montresor_SP: "Sycophants"?

No wait ... that one's already taken!

"Haters"?

No ... that would be those who blindly attack a company for years on end, for producing ... no, not napalm or exploding harpoons, but ... well, computer games!

You know what? If you want me to take you seriously, don't post a bogus "review" of a game scant nanoseconds after the game goes on sale, very obviously before you had the time to buy the game, not to mention download it, install it and ... well, try it out! And if you do post a review, don't go for the man, go for the ball. As in, write something about the game, rather than calling the company producing the game "leeches" and "parasites".

And don't call those who don't blindly take your word for it names like "fanboys" and "sycophants". That's not very constructive.

Oh, and don't complain about "sprites" - when the problem very obviously is "spite"!
I'm compelled to dissect your comment.

Beamdog produces computer games? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamdog
Assuming the wiki article is accurate beamdog developed 2 games while acting as a publisher for the rest - which means they only acted as a publisher for P:ST EE.

You claim his review is "bogus" while you fail to provide a resonable argument for that other than "you couldn't have played it by the time your review was published" without actually taking a closer look at his arguments.

I'm too lazy to search for my own comment comparing P:ST to the EE version but with the EE you basically pay for a few QoL-tweaks like zoom and quickloot while the majorty of "improvements" are already present with mods.

Interesting saying with "go for the balls" and "actually write something about the game" when you yourself avoid those "balls"(his arguments) while hiding behind generalizations.

And your "call" for a constructive structure of his comment - when you yourself can't even be bothered to counter his arguments or his review other than to label it "bogus".
Ever heard of personal integrity?
I've seen that - how should I call it - defensive mechanism in political debates: the side with the weaker arguments or no arguments at all calls for "contructive" or "objective" comments of their opposition as a means to weaken their arguments as a variation of ad hominem.

As for me: I prefere white-knight over fanboy because a white-knight is akin to a zealot defending their precious game/company/whatever completely detached from logical reasoning.
And you strike me just as someone like that - or else you would've come up with proper arguments - right?
Post edited July 31, 2017 by p1881
Good god, P1881. You owned that rat brutally, and he ran off back to his Safe Space.
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Stig79: Good god, P1881. You owned that rat brutally, and he ran off back to his Safe Space.
I guess this means he's on a Steam board - or more likely the Beamdog forums.

The "Beamdog representative" doesn't look like he's coming back either. ;)
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Stig79: Good god, P1881. You owned that rat brutally, and he ran off back to his Safe Space.
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squid830: I guess this means he's on a Steam board - or more likely the Beamdog forums.

The "Beamdog representative" doesn't look like he's coming back either. ;)
Of course not. He has done his job and sold plenty copies of the game for his employer. Mission achieved. He would still be here lying to sell more copies if he hadn't been caught.